Will someone tell me the difference between [modern] liberalism and communism?

[Neotrotsky]

They are still religious

they just put their faith in gov't
make saints out of their leaders

 

[JoeB131]

Vietnam; riots

It worked so well
that only a small percentage of Americans
identify as liberal and the majority identifiy as
conservative, today.

Liberals even have to hide what they really stand for
and change their name to progressives.


sure
the 60's and 70's were great decades

Actually, they were. Too bad you only listen to the propaganda...

So I'm guess you're what? About 30?

 

[regent]

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur.

Is the above what they are teaching at West Point and Annapolis that liberal thought is good and our framers used liberal thoughts to frame the Constitution.
We have before us on these very boards proof produced by posters, that liberalism is communism. Those schools should be closed as un-American.

 

[rdean]

I have a question for modern liberals in any political party. Please tell me the differences between your beliefs and those of Karl Marx, the father of communism? Seriously now, I’m not joking. Let’s have an honest dialogue and I promise that I’ll listen with an open mind.

Every single time a conservative such as me calls some liberal idiot a communist we get pilloried and the liberal useful idiot points out that they don’t stand for the outright ownership of all private property. Okay, I get that. But, you do apparently stand for government control of all property and industry and you believe in central planning, key components of communism.

Even people like Lawrence O’Donnell of MSNBC are coming out now and proudly proclaiming their socialism (socialism is the economic philosophy of communism).

Here’s the video of old Larry proclaiming his socialism:

MSNBC Anchor O'Donnell: "I Am A Socialist. I Live To The Extreme Left Of You Mere Liberals!" - YouTube

I know it is off the topic of my question, but just for fun, let’s listen to Milton Friedman compare Socialism and Capitalism while he takes Phil Donahue to task – a video that President Obama and Michael Moore need to watch:

Milton Friedman - Socialism vs. Capitalism - YouTube

Okay, below are the ten planks of communism and you can compare them yourselves to what we currently have in America and what liberals traditionally argue in favor of. If the answer is simply a matter of degrees then tell me that. I really – honestly want to know the differences.
Let’s take a look at the ten planks of communism.



Right now, the federal government owns approximately 30% of all American land. Private property owners pay local property taxes (the application of rents to public purposes) to fund various local, state and federal programs. We have a heavy progressive income tax, credit has been centralized under the federal government as have communications and transportation, agriculture and industry are being combined through corporate farms, and of course we’ve had “free public education” for decades in America.

We also used to have a heavy inheritance tax and liberals are arguing for that again, claiming that you have no right to bequeath your property or money to your children or other relatives.

Okay, some brave liberal out there please explain the differences between that in which you believe, support and urge with communism. I’ll listen with an open mind.

Just plain ignorance. I'm a home owner. And I want my family to inherit. But I'm a liberal. I believe in civil rights. I believe in American helping American. I believe that an educated population helps the country. I believe in the draft and I think everyone should "serve".
Republicans believe "science is a faith" and in "let him die" and "education is for snobs" and that "supply and demand is a wild liberal theory" and in "voter suppression". How do I know? THEY ******* TELL US, DUH! See? I don't have to make shit up. THEY ******* TELL US!

I believe in civil rights too

-Geaux

When any group is fighting for civil rights, who are they fighting against? Always, it's conservatives and Republicans. Obama expanded gun rights and these Republicans are so ******* stupid, they insist it can't be true. So what right is it they don't have???? They can't name one. They can only imagine one.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I believe that an educated population helps the country. I believe in the draft and I think everyone should "serve".

Hitler believed in both of these. Hitler's youth anyone?

BTW

The US spends the MOST on education per student and is among the worst in results.

 

[bripat9643]

Communists are more honest than liberals.

That's the only difference.

 

[Vox]

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur.

Is the above what they are teaching at West Point and Annapolis that liberal thought is good and our framers used liberal thoughts to frame the Constitution.
We have before us on these very boards proof produced by posters, that liberalism is communism. Those schools should be closed as un-American.

they WERE liberal.

they never were LEFTARD PROGRESSIVES

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Will someone tell me the difference between [modern] liberalism and communism?

That you ask such an idiotic question demonstrates that any such effort would be both pointless and futile.

 

[Vox]

They are still religious

they just put their faith in gov't
make saints out of their leaders

they are actually much worse - they are government fanatics.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Communists are more honest than liberals.

That's the only difference.

good point

at least communists have the balls to tell you what they really are

 

[Vox]

Communists are more honest than liberals.

That's the only difference.

no, they are not.

they are the same.

it is the same species - just with variations in coloring

 

[Vox]

Communists are more honest than liberals.

That's the only difference.

good point

at least communists have the balls to tell you what they really are

not true.

in order to get the grip of power they lie as our leftards do.

Check the way bolsheviks got into power in Russia and all the lies on the way to it.

Our leftards are not different even one iota - they are simply on the way to power grip, not at the top of it - but some signs are already visible - check the slips of the truth reid and obama recently had on a matter of obamacare

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Will someone tell me the difference between [modern] liberalism and communism?

That you ask such an idiotic question demonstrates that any such effort would be both pointless and futile.

It's funny that you're the 30th poster to say this; if it's so easy, just give us three differences.

 

[rdean]

I believe that an educated population helps the country. I believe in the draft and I think everyone should "serve".

Hitler believed in both of these. Hitler's youth anyone?

BTW

The US spends the MOST on education per student and is among the worst in results.

How can you be so ******* ignorant in just two sentences.

Are you saying we should do away with the military? That our military is like "Hitler's youth"?

And why are people from foreign countries sending their children here if our educational system is so bad?

The truth is that right wingers are such tards, they can't learn, so it's no wonder they hate school.

 

[Peterf]

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas MacArthur.

Is the above what they are teaching at West Point and Annapolis that liberal thought is good and our framers used liberal thoughts to frame the Constitution.
We have before us on these very boards proof produced by posters, that liberalism is communism. Those schools should be closed as un-American.

When MacArthur, no lefty, said this 'liberal' meant something rather different. As it still does in places other than America.

 

[Clementine]

There is a big difference between socialists and communists.

Just like there are differences between a baby and an adult. Socialism eventually becomes communism. Understand human nature and you'll understand that the mindset of those who want to begin to control people under socialism will eventually want total control.

The reason socialism becomes communism is because people start to realize that the few start to carry the weight of the many. People lose their desire to be innovative or work harder because they will not benefit. The government then steps in and forces some people to work, while still keeping everyone "equal."

Any idealism based on equal outcomes is doomed to failure. It goes against human nature to be controlled and forced to do as the dictator pleases.

 

[regent]

There is a big difference between socialists and communists.

Just like there are differences between a baby and an adult. Socialism eventually becomes communism. Understand human nature and you'll understand that the mindset of those who want to begin to control people under socialism will eventually want total control.

The reason socialism becomes communism is because people start to realize that the few start to carry the weight of the many. People lose their desire to be innovative or work harder because they will not benefit. The government then steps in and forces some people to work, while still keeping everyone "equal."

Any idealism based on equal outcomes is doomed to failure. It goes against human nature to be controlled and forced to do as the dictator pleases.

There are a number of types of socialism: Feudal, Utopian, German or true, Clerical, Modern, syndlcalism, Democratic, Meritocratic, Free Market. Anachronism and then Marx's scientific socialism. Scientific socialism said communism was inevitable and was more of an historical concept than reality. Marx was wrong of course, but Marx's use of the word gave conservatives and Republican a battle cry for years, "socialism leads to communism." Most economies today are believed to a mixture of capitalism and socialism, as in the United States and Europe.

Can anyone name a nation today or in the past that practiced Marxian communism? No nation has, and the USSR quickly dropped communism a few years after their revolution as not workable.
Remember under Marxian communism, a nation had no taxes, no government, no money, no class system.
An interesting thing occurred in Germany in the 1890's, communism was appealing to some Europeans so Otto Bismarck brought to Germany socialized medicine to blunt some of the appeal of communism.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Well , it was not from a lack of trying


In Marxist theory socialism is viewed as the transitional stage to communism from capitalism.

“Between capitalist and communist society lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. There corresponds to this also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat”​

Communism was the end stage. A time when the state would 'wither away'
So a communist state never existed because one cannot, by definition, immediately be a communist state. It has to develop into one.

The Soviets never "dropped" anything.
The outcome of the Soviet state was inevitable from the failings of Marxist theory.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

How can one compare 'modern liberalism' to communism when there is no real definition for 'modern liberalism'......? The term 'liberal' bandied about today can mean many things to different people...a very slippery label....nevertheless i believe it to be a set of beliefs that are the socialist first phase of Marxism on the way to the ultimate goal of communism...

Probably the closest thing that so-called 'modern liberalism' is similar to is Fabian socialism....meaning the incremental approach of socialism....basically what the European Social Democrats are...

Barack Obama is said to be a Fabian socialist...

Fabians believed in gradual nationalization of the economy through manipulation of the democratic process. Breaking away from the violent revolutionary socialists of their day, they thought that the only real way to effect “fundamental change” and “social justice” was through a mass movement of the working classes presided over by intellectual and cultural elites. Before TV it was stage plays, written by George Bernard Shaw and thousands of inferior “realist” playwrights dedicated to social change. John Cusack’s character in Woody Allen’s “Bullets Over Broadway” captures the movement rather well.

Arnold's [The Folklore of Capitalism] taught me to question everyone–my president, my priest and my parents. Well, almost everyone. I wasn’t supposed to question the Fabian intellectuals themselves. That’s the Fabian MO, relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on everything that is, and then a hard pitch for the hope of what might be.

That’s Obama’s world.

He’s telling the truth when he says that he doesn’t agree with Bill Ayers’ violent bombing tactics, but it’s a tactical disagreement. Why use dynamite when mass media and community organizing work so much better? Who needs Molotov when you’ve got Saul Alinski?

So here is the playbook: The left will identify, freeze, personalize and polarize an industry, probably health care. It will attempt to nationalize one-fifth of the U.S. economy through legislative action. They will focus, as Lenin did, on the “commanding heights” of the economy, not the little guy.

As Obama said, “the smallest” businesses will be exempt from fines for not “doing the right thing” in offering employer-based health care coverage. Health will not be nationalized in one fell swoop; they have been studying the failures of Hillary Care. Instead, a parallel system will be created, funded by surcharges on business payroll, which will be superior to many private plans.

The old system will be forced to subsidize the new system and there will be a gradual shift from the former to the latter. The only coercion will be the fines, not the participation. A middle-class entitlement will have been created.


Barack Obama, Fabian Socialist - Forbes

 

[regent]

So was Marx, right or wrong with dialectical materialism?