Zone1 Will Satan be saved? (Yes)

[Z99]

The man in the video (Scott Hicko) lacks understanding of is the importance of FREE WILL.

Ask Jonah about God's respect for Jonah's "free will". Free will is another Christian myth. We're ALL sinners and Jesus said anyone that practices sin is a SLAVE to it. You and most other worldly Christians have a grave misunderstanding of "free will".

 

[Z99]

Heresy, God created Lucifer to enlighten the minds of men. Instead he uses it to sow lies into the minds of men, and he will never change. Revelation also tells us Satan will be in the lake of fire and destroyed. There is no redemption for him.

You are gravely mistaken. You misunderstand everything.

 

[theHawk]

You are gravely mistaken. You misunderstand everything.

Prove it.

 

[onefour1]

Ask Jonah about God's respect for Jonah's "free will". Free will is another Christian myth. We're ALL sinners and Jesus said anyone that practices sin is a SLAVE to it. You and most other worldly Christians have a grave misunderstanding of "free will".

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

It is you that has a grave misunderstanding of Free Will or what you perceive to be the lack thereof. Why would a just God have us stand before him in judgement for the works which we do in this life when all along we really didn't have any free will to be judge for? Mr. Hicko quotes from the bible and yet doesn't understand this very, very basic concept of life. He believes God is forcing us to do all that we do and then is going to judge us for the bad things we do.

It makes absolutely no sense that the God of the Bible who wishes and wants us all to live by his commandments and to only do good continually is currently forcing us all to sin against his very will and made Satan to be a tempter to tempt us to all disobey God. You have to be nuts to believe in such things and you make God out to be a psychopath. Why would God command us to love one another and do good and love one another and at the same time be forcing us to hate and do evil to one another? Mr Hicko would have you believe that it is all for the experience and in the end God will pat us all on the head and save us all anyway even though our hearts are filled with hatred. What a joke.

What God really wants is for us, as free will agents, to learn to choose good over evil of our own free will and choice so that we will become good beings of our own free will and be good in and of ourselves and not robots just waiting to be used. Mr Hicko and Z99 should be agreeing with all that we argue and do because, after all, according their philosophy it is the real will of God and we are just his slave subjects doing his will. God is even making us disagree with each other because that is his will.

Was it God's fault and not Adam and Eve's will to partake of the forbidden fruit? Why were they then punished? Just for the experience? What good was the experience if they don't really think for themselves anyway? What do they really gain if all through this life and eternity they are nothing but puppets and never truly think for themselves. Mr Hicko and Z99 really don't understand anything about God, Free Will, and the purpose of life.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I'll start at the end. Enmity in this case is Jesus Christ and His atonement. The seed of Satan (Lucifer) are the third of the hosts of heaven who were cast out with Lucifer. They became Satan's seed. He cannot have anymore seed. He's a spirit without seed. The woman's seed is human children. So, this means that Satan and his devil seeds will be able to hurt us if we allow them. But, Jesus Christ will eventually have power to crush Satan and his seed because of the atonement and resurrection.

As far as the "giants" I take it as perhaps the seed of Cain, who became one of Satan's devils. Remember the "curse" that Cain received. Perhaps he became a giant and had children in Nod. Just a thought.

Seed literally means “offspring.” The third of Satan's angelic followers are not his offspring. The seed of the woman encompasses both her posterity as well as Jesus Christ, Himself. The word “seed” in this verse describes both Satan's seed as well as the woman's seed. The definition of that word is identical in both instances.

Satan beguiled Eve and convinced her that she could be as a god (a creator of life?). He offered her a particular “fruit” which, I believe, was of a sexual nature. Why else would she become ashamed of her nakedness while attempting to hide from God? I could get into much more detail, but I offer this hypothesis as a starting point.

 

[Cougarbear]

Seed literally means “offspring.” The third of Satan's angelic followers are not his offspring. The seed of the woman encompasses both her posterity as well as Jesus Christ, Himself. The word “seed” in this verse describes both Satan's seed as well as the woman's seed. The definition of that word is identical in both instances.

Satan beguiled Eve and convinced her that she could be as a god (a creator of life?). He offered her a particular “fruit” which, I believe, was of a sexual nature. Why else would she become ashamed of her nakedness while attempting to hide from God? I could get into much more detail, but I offer this hypothesis as a starting point.

Satan has no seeds or sperm, not child. So, that means the rest of your opinion is also false.
Adam was also ashamed. So, there’s no logic reasoning that Eve was ashamed because she was pregnant.
My thesis is therefore correct.

 

[Ace Nova]

I'll start at the end. Enmity in this case is Jesus Christ and His atonement. The seed of Satan (Lucifer) are the third of the hosts of heaven who were cast out with Lucifer. They became Satan's seed. He cannot have anymore seed. He's a spirit without seed. The woman's seed is human children. So, this means that Satan and his devil seeds will be able to hurt us if we allow them. But, Jesus Christ will eventually have power to crush Satan and his seed because of the atonement and resurrection.

As far as the "giants" I take it as perhaps the seed of Cain, who became one of Satan's devils. Remember the "curse" that Cain received. Perhaps he became a giant and had children in Nod. Just a thought.

Seed literally means “offspring.” The third of Satan's angelic followers are not his offspring. The seed of the woman encompasses both her posterity as well as Jesus Christ, Himself. The word “seed” in this verse describes both Satan's seed as well as the woman's seed. The definition of that word is identical in both instances.

Satan beguiled Eve and convinced her that she could be as a god (a creator of life?). He offered her a particular “fruit” which, I believe, was of a sexual nature. Why else would she become ashamed of her nakedness while attempting to hide from God? I could get into much more detail, but I offer this hypothesis as a starting point.

Guys - both of you are solid posters around here and although our views vary, healthy debate usually prevails.

That said - don't spend too much time on this. The more you two argue over this, the more you fall victim to "The Adversarial Spirit".

This is exactly what he wants people of faith to do - to cause DISCORD AMONG THE FAITHFUL - AND the fact that it's about him? Oh boy - he's probably popping champagne bottles as we speak!

 

[Z99]

Prove it.

Nah. You win. Congratulations.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Satan has no seeds or sperm, not child. So, that means the rest of your opinion is also false.
Adam was also ashamed. So, there’s no logic reasoning that Eve was ashamed because she was pregnant.
My thesis is therefore correct.

Adam was ashamed because Eve shared "the fruit" with him. If a child steals a cookie from the cookie jar and mom catches him, does he hide his mouth so she won't see the crumbs, or does he cover his private parts with a fig leaf?

Jesus' main adversaries were the Pharisees. Genesis 3:15 predicts that there would be "enmity" between the "seed of Satan" and the "seed of the woman."

Behold -- Jesus speaking to the Pharisees:

John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Who was the first murderer?

 

[Cougarbear]

Guys - both of you are solid posters around here and although our views vary, healthy debate usually prevails.

That said - don't spend too much time on this. The more you two argue over this, the more you fall victim to "The Adversarial Spirit".

This is exactly what he wants people of faith to do - to cause DISCORD AMONG THE FAITHFUL - AND the fact that it's about him? Oh boy - he's probably popping champagne bottles as we speak!

I don’t think we are arguing. We are giving our opinions on this and explaining why we believe a certain way. If he realizes spirits have be seeds or sperms, that can help him understand the Father’s plan for humanity.

 

[Cougarbear]

Adam was ashamed because Eve shared "the fruit" with him. If a child steals a cookie from the cookie jar and mom catches him, does he hide his mouth so she won't see the crumbs, or does he cover his private parts with a fig leaf?

Jesus' main adversaries were the Pharisees. Genesis 3:15 predicts that there would be "enmity" between the "seed of Satan" and the "seed of the woman."

Behold -- Jesus speaking to the Pharisees:

John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Who was the first murderer?

You are stuck on the word “sees” assuming Satan could have a baby through a human. But, spirits don’t have sperms (seeds). Seeds grow into plants like Jessie. Adam had seeds. But didn’t understand what they did. He didn’t have that knowledge.
The fruit represents knowledge of good and evil. Not the seed to make the cell in Eve grow into a human being. That which she was commanded not to partake because it would cause death upon her. Once she knew and could be tempted, Satan told her to go get Adam to gain the knowledge. Something about the fruit that causes this knowledge of good and evil. Something animals don’t have.

 

[SaxonJackson]

You are stuck on the word “sees” assuming Satan could have a baby through a human. But, spirits don’t have sperms (seeds). Seeds grow into plants like Jessie. Adam had seeds. But didn’t understand what they did. He didn’t have that knowledge.
The fruit represents knowledge of good and evil. Not the seed to make the cell in Eve grow into a human being. That which she was commanded not to partake because it would cause death upon her. Once she knew and could be tempted, Satan told her to go get Adam to gain the knowledge. Something about the fruit that causes this knowledge of good and evil. Something animals don’t have.

Satan is an angel (albeit, a fallen angel), not a spirit. He has a spirit, but he's more than a spirit. All angels (including Satan or Lucifer) are referred to in the male gender (he, him, his). When the angels visited Lot in Sodom they appeared as men and the homosexuals in that city sought to have relations with them. So angels are males and appear as males to the naked eye.

As for the word "seed," I have no choice but to accept God's use of that word.

The word for "seed" in Genesis is used throughout the 1st chapter of Genesis and is used to describe offspring over and over again.

Strong's Concordance: H2233 Zera

1. seed, sowing, offspring
   
   1. a sowing
   2. seed
   3. semen virile
   4. offspring, descendants, posterity, children
   5. of moral quality
      
      1. a practitioner of righteousness (fig.)
   6. sowing time (by meton)

H2233 - zeraʿ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

H2233 - זֶרַע zeraʻ, zeh'-rah; from ; seed; figuratively, fruit, plant, sowing-time, posterity:— carnally, child, fruitful, seed(-time), sowing-time.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[SaxonJackson]

You are stuck on the word “sees” assuming Satan could have a baby through a human. But, spirits don’t have sperms (seeds). Seeds grow into plants like Jessie. Adam had seeds. But didn’t understand what they did. He didn’t have that knowledge.
The fruit represents knowledge of good and evil. Not the seed to make the cell in Eve grow into a human being. That which she was commanded not to partake because it would cause death upon her. Once she knew and could be tempted, Satan told her to go get Adam to gain the knowledge. Something about the fruit that causes this knowledge of good and evil. Something animals don’t have.

Adam had the seed and didn't know what they were for until Satan “explained” their function to Eve. Eve took that “knowledge” to Adam after learning, first hand, what.

Who's behind today's porn industry? Satan and his seed.

 

[BreezeWood]

Who's behind today's porn industry? Satan and his seed.

you're a joke - have you also refer to mary magdalene as a prostitute - as your book of forgeries and fallacies ...

if you're looking for the remnant of satan you need not look any further than any desert clergy.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The brimstone is another of religion's fantasies.

In the real world, ask a volcanologist.

The REAL WORLD exists AFTER you leave this one

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints

Good luck with that.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints

He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

The sinners will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire

 

[BackAgain]

The moment God forgives Satan, a lot of people (or former people) are going to be asking, “Oh. Really? So what was all the fuss about for all this time?”

 

[BackAgain]

I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints

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[Z99]

The sinners will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire

Are you a sinner?