Will Republicans ever learn? Indiana governor to sign bill allowing business not to serve gays

[WorldWatcher]

Whenever there's a measure on the ballot against gay marriage the polls always show the public is against it, and then it passes by a wide margin. People lie to pollsters about the gay issue because they don't want people to think they are bigots.

Pssst...

The last 4 times SSCM marriage measures have appeared on a General Election Ballot - the SSCM side won.

And the two privious times before that were Prop 8 (California, 2008) and Question 1 (Maine, 2009) the ban measures were approximately 52.5%-47.5% which is by no means a "wide margin" since a change in the outcome only needs a 2.5% shift in the vote.


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[Lakhota]

Although Mike Pence doesn't look like Hitler - he sure acts like him. I've noticed that for several years. Pence is an unhinged NaziCon.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Pence has just turned his Final Four into a referendum on gay rights

Is he really that stupid?

Unbelievably stupid.

 

[Seawytch]

You are living in the past

The last three times gay marriage came up for a vote, it won

By June, the Supreme Court will make it the law of the land

Not when it was put to a popular vote. Only state legislatures have approved it - in other words, a gang of scumbag politicians approved it.

Only state legislatures? You sure about that?

I just checked. There was one: Maine.

Check again.

According to Wiki there's one:

Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nope...Maine and Maryland.

Voters approve same-sex marriage for the first time - CNN.com

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Liberty, the conservative watchword, always seems to get applied as a liberty to deny others rights.

Weird.

In this case conservatives are at liberty to act on their unwarranted fear and hate absent any legal consequences; they will be subject to the political consequences, however.

 

[Seawytch]

In six months you loons will have forgotten this law was passed. Bank it

Indiana won't...when they start losing revenue.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Lakhota]

 

[whitehall]

Why do whiny left wingers assume you can tell if a person is homosexual just by looking at them?

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Totally absurd.

No bureaucrat intervention is needed for a business to decide who their customers should be.

 

[Foxfyre]

Come on Republicans

I know you love to pander to your gay hating base. But are you ever going to learn?

Indiana Governor Mike Pence is ready to sign into law a bill allowing businesses to refuse service to gays for "religious reasons" . All this ten days before the NCAA Final Four comes to Indianapolis. So what was once an opportunity to show the country what a great location his state is for major events, now becomes a poster child for "We hate gays".
See how many Final Fours come back to Indianapolis. Superbowl? Forget it Mike

But at least you got to score points with your gay hating base

Republicans just can't help themselves.
Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com

The religious freedom law has absolutely nothing to do with gays any more than similar laws in 30 other states do.

A law professor's take on it:

I am a supporter of gay rights, including same-sex marriage. But as an informed legal scholar, I also support the proposed Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). How can this be?

It's because — despite all the rhetoric — the bill has little to do with same-sex marriage and everything to do with religious freedom.

The bill would establish a general legal standard, the "compelling interest" test, for evaluating laws and governmental practices that impose substantial burdens on the exercise of religion. This same test already governs federal law under the federal RFRA, which was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. And some 30 states have adopted the same standard, either under state-law RFRAs or as a matter of state constitutional law.

Applying this test, a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that a Muslim prisoner was free to practice his faith by wearing a half-inch beard that posed no risk to prison security. Likewise, in a 2012 decision, a court ruled that the Pennsylvania RFRA protected the outreach ministry of a group of Philadelphia churches, ruling that the city could not bar them from feeding homeless individuals in the city parks. . . .
Law professor Why Indiana needs religious freedom legislation​

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Although Mike Pence doesn't look like Hitler - he sure acts like him. I've noticed that for several years. Pence is an unhinged NaziCon.

Do you ever tire at looking like an uneducated buffoon? I'm completely serious

 

[rightwinger]

What I'm seeing here is hate filled bigots, spewing their vitriol against people who simply wish to conduct their lives and businesses according to their closely held religious beliefs. Your are the ones trying to force your value system on others and doing it in such a hateful way, I think it's inexcusable.

Remember the same values that give you the freedom to be you, also give me the freedom to be free from you. I see this as nothing more than atheist trying to further their persecution of people of faith, just another attempt by the left to destroy the 1st Amendment. The freedom to exercise one's religious beliefs as they see fit and the right of citizens to associate with the people they chose, are bedrock principles of this country that the left has been chipping away for decades. Now that the pendulum is swinging the other way you're having fits and calling names like spoiled little children.

And if businesses in Indiana openly or underhandedly maintain a position that they will not do business with gays, other people and other businesses will choose not to do business in Indiana

So those wishing to hold a convention will choose venues in other states. Sports leagues will choose other locations for major events

It works both ways

I understand it works both ways, it's your side that thinks it doesn't and wish to force your values on others. But as more and more states adopt similar laws to protect their religious majorities from state sponsored violations of the 1st Amendment, then people who agree with them will seek to do business with them. People are getting fed up with radical liberalism and radical atheist.

Actually, most Americans back gay rights and gay marriage

You are in the minority

And yes, we forced our values on the south when we ended segregation

Convenient how those poll are done, how many actually ask: Do you support forcing businesses to provide services they religiously object to?

You ask that question in one of your polls and get back to me on how I'm in the minority. Polls are designed to get a predetermined result most of the time just by the way they phrase their questions.

You mean a poll that asks should we go back to the pre Civil Rights......"We don't sereve n*ggers here"?

 

[bodecea]

Come on Republicans

I know you love to pander to your gay hating base. But are you ever going to learn?

Indiana Governor Mike Pence is ready to sign into law a bill allowing businesses to refuse service to gays for "religious reasons" . All this ten days before the NCAA Final Four comes to Indianapolis. So what was once an opportunity to show the country what a great location his state is for major events, now becomes a poster child for "We hate gays".
See how many Final Fours come back to Indianapolis. Superbowl? Forget it Mike

But at least you got to score points with your gay hating base

Republicans just can't help themselves.






Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com

This law allows people to refuse to serve anybody for religious reasons.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

What I'm seeing here is hate filled bigots, spewing their vitriol against people who simply wish to conduct their lives and businesses according to their closely held religious beliefs. Your are the ones trying to force your value system on others and doing it in such a hateful way, I think it's inexcusable.

Remember the same values that give you the freedom to be you, also give me the freedom to be free from you. I see this as nothing more than atheist trying to further their persecution of people of faith, just another attempt by the left to destroy the 1st Amendment. The freedom to exercise one's religious beliefs as they see fit and the right of citizens to associate with the people they chose, are bedrock principles of this country that the left has been chipping away for decades. Now that the pendulum is swinging the other way you're having fits and calling names like spoiled little children.

And if businesses in Indiana openly or underhandedly maintain a position that they will not do business with gays, other people and other businesses will choose not to do business in Indiana

So those wishing to hold a convention will choose venues in other states. Sports leagues will choose other locations for major events

It works both ways

I understand it works both ways, it's your side that thinks it doesn't and wish to force your values on others. But as more and more states adopt similar laws to protect their religious majorities from state sponsored violations of the 1st Amendment, then people who agree with them will seek to do business with them. People are getting fed up with radical liberalism and radical atheist.

Actually, most Americans back gay rights and gay marriage

You are in the minority

And yes, we forced our values on the south when we ended segregation

Convenient how those poll are done, how many actually ask: Do you support forcing businesses to provide services they religiously object to?

You ask that question in one of your polls and get back to me on how I'm in the minority. Polls are designed to get a predetermined result most of the time just by the way they phrase their questions.

You mean a poll that asks should we go back to the pre Civil Rights......"We don't sereve n*ggers here"?

There ya go again, trying to compare the homo's situation to the black's plight. Not even comparable

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"Will Republicans ever learn? Indiana governor to sign bill allowing business not to serve gays"

Fascinatin'... So we now have Texas, Alabama and Indiana rejecting Federal Authority which requires them to accept deviant reasoning as sound reason.

Seems that someone is failing to learn, but it's not the Republicans.

 

[bodecea]

What I'm seeing here is hate filled bigots, spewing their vitriol against people who simply wish to conduct their lives and businesses according to their closely held religious beliefs. Your are the ones trying to force your value system on others and doing it in such a hateful way, I think it's inexcusable.

Remember the same values that give you the freedom to be you, also give me the freedom to be free from you. I see this as nothing more than atheist trying to further their persecution of people of faith, just another attempt by the left to destroy the 1st Amendment. The freedom to exercise one's religious beliefs as they see fit and the right of citizens to associate with the people they chose, are bedrock principles of this country that the left has been chipping away for decades. Now that the pendulum is swinging the other way you're having fits and calling names like spoiled little children.

We are hate-filled bigots against hate-filled bigots. Go figure.

 

[rightwinger]

Come on Republicans

I know you love to pander to your gay hating base. But are you ever going to learn?

Indiana Governor Mike Pence is ready to sign into law a bill allowing businesses to refuse service to gays for "religious reasons" . All this ten days before the NCAA Final Four comes to Indianapolis. So what was once an opportunity to show the country what a great location his state is for major events, now becomes a poster child for "We hate gays".
See how many Final Fours come back to Indianapolis. Superbowl? Forget it Mike

But at least you got to score points with your gay hating base

Republicans just can't help themselves.
Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com

The religious freedom law has absolutely nothing to do with gays any more than similar laws in 30 other states do.

A law professor's take on it:

I am a supporter of gay rights, including same-sex marriage. But as an informed legal scholar, I also support the proposed Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). How can this be?

It's because — despite all the rhetoric — the bill has little to do with same-sex marriage and everything to do with religious freedom.

The bill would establish a general legal standard, the "compelling interest" test, for evaluating laws and governmental practices that impose substantial burdens on the exercise of religion. This same test already governs federal law under the federal RFRA, which was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. And some 30 states have adopted the same standard, either under state-law RFRAs or as a matter of state constitutional law.

Applying this test, a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that a Muslim prisoner was free to practice his faith by wearing a half-inch beard that posed no risk to prison security. Likewise, in a 2012 decision, a court ruled that the Pennsylvania RFRA protected the outreach ministry of a group of Philadelphia churches, ruling that the city could not bar them from feeding homeless individuals in the city parks. . . .
Law professor Why Indiana needs religious freedom legislation​

It's because — despite all the rhetoric — the bill has little to do with same-sex marriage and everything to do with religious freedom.
I say.....bullshit

Prior to same sex marriages, we never had a need for such legislation. Indiana, seeing same sex marriage becoming the law of the land in June is trying to pre-empt the rights of gays to marry

I suspect the law will be narrowly enforced and that fundamentalist christians nt Muslims will be the prime beneficiaries

 

[bodecea]

Come on Republicans

I know you love to pander to your gay hating base. But are you ever going to learn?

Indiana Governor Mike Pence is ready to sign into law a bill allowing businesses to refuse service to gays for "religious reasons" . All this ten days before the NCAA Final Four comes to Indianapolis. So what was once an opportunity to show the country what a great location his state is for major events, now becomes a poster child for "We hate gays".
See how many Final Fours come back to Indianapolis. Superbowl? Forget it Mike

But at least you got to score points with your gay hating base

Republicans just can't help themselves.






Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com

I don' think irritating 2% of the population is going to destroy the economy of Indiana. Furthermore, gays brought this on themselves by suing businesses in other states that didn't want to be involved in their weddings.

That is where Republicans continue to shoot themselves in the foot

It is ONLY 2% of the population.....who CARES?

An majority of the US now supports gay rights and gay marriage. Businesses and corporations do not want to align themselves with the "*** hating" crowd. People and businesses will refuse to do business with Indiana because of this legislation

Jews are only 2% of the population too. Who cares?

 

[rightwinger]

"Will Republicans ever learn? Indiana governor to sign bill allowing business not to serve gays"

Fascinatin'... So we now have Texas, Alabama and Indiana rejecting Federal Authority which requires them to accept deviant reasoning as sound reason.

Seems that someone is failing to learn, but it's not the Republicans.

In the Jim Crow south we had a lot more states defying federal authority.....didn't make it right