Will Putin Stop After Ukraine?

[Stann]

The fact you ignore is that Russia was provoked to invade Ukraine by the US and NATO as part of a decades-long campaign to destabilize states that border Russia or the USSR:

Jeffrey D. Sachs - How the CIA Destabilises the World - Brave New Europe

"Since 1975, the CIA has run secretive operations backing Islamic jihadists in Afghanistan that utterly wrecked Afghanistan while giving rise to al-Qaeda.

"The CIA has likely run secretive operations in the Balkans against Serbia, in the Caucuses against Russia, and in Central Asia targeting China, all deploying CIA-backed jihadists.

"In the 2010s, the CIA ran deadly operations to topple Syria’s Bashir al-Assad, again with Islamic jihadists.

"For at least 20 years, the CIA has been deeply involved in fomenting the growing catastrophe in Ukraine, including the violent overthrow of Ukraine’s President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 that triggered the devastating war now engulfing Ukraine."

For its entire existence the CIA has functioned as Wall Street's enforcer dedicated to advancing the interests of the greedy parasites that control the US Government. Ukraine is simply their latest proxy.

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

"Casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian War included six deaths during the 2014 annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, 14,200–14,400 military and civilian deaths during the War in Donbas, and up to 500,000 estimated casualties during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine."

The Fact that Russia has continued to treat the Ukraine as their property and inflamed distrust and rebellion wirhin it's boundaries seems to escape you. They were well on their way to becoming an advanced free western nation and Russia thought they could stop all that progress. Once people have a taste of freedom they can never go back to slavery. That's the bottom line.

 

[Burgermeister]

Will Russia stop after Ukraine? Well, let's see. We moved nukes back to the UK. We're arming and training Russia's enemies. Sweden joined NATO. France and Poland are talking about ground troops in Ukraine. France signed a defense agreement with Moldova. Putin believes that if a fight is inevitable, you hit first. If you're Putin, do you think a fight with NATO is inevitable?

 

[bendog]

Will Russia stop after Ukraine? Well, let's see. We moved nukes back to the UK. We're arming and training Russia's enemies. Sweden joined NATO. France and Poland are talking about ground troops in Ukraine. France signed a defense agreement with Moldova. Putin believes that if a fight is inevitable, you hit first. If you're Putin, do you think a fight with NATO is inevitable?

When Ukraine demanded free trade with the EU, Putin had to invade ...;. if he wanted a closed market in Ukraine. That's really what this is about. Putin wants a closed trading bloc of former soviet "republics." The West wants to sell it's stuff too, but it ain't afraid to compete ruble for ruble. Putin knows he can't win. Russia is spending over 10% of its gnp on defense, and it is the only growing demand for labor.

 

[georgephillip]

The Fact that Russia has continued to treat the Ukraine as their property and inflamed distrust and rebellion wirhin it's boundaries seems to escape you. They were well on their way to becoming an advanced free western nation and Russia thought they could stop all that progress. Once people have a taste of freedom they can never go back to slavery. That's the bottom line.

Russia is weeks away from national elections.
Elections are outlawed in Ukraine.
Which country is closer to freedom?

Ukraine became a US proxy in 2014 when a violent, US-supported coup drove a duly elected government from office, setting off a civil war.

For the next eight years, NATO trained tens of thousands of Ukrainians (and others) which were massed at the border with Donbass in February 2022,threatening to retake Crimea and the separatist Donetsk and Luhansk "People's Republics."
Donbas - Wikipedia

The only freedom Ukrainians have found since that time is the freedom of the grave and, of course, the freedom to profit from the murder, maiming, and displacement of million$ of Ukrainian$.

 

[martybegan]

Poland was never in the USSR, why would you think that Poland is on Putin's "chopping block"?

The Canadians and Mexicans weren't fearful of Honest Abe.

Poland was in the old Russian Empire.

I'd be more worried about the Baltic States.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Could not find anything showing Ukraine attempting advance into Russia.
Admit its tough to get much concrete info, that not colored by having to pass through POLITICAL PARTY politics.

Ukraine send in Nazi battalion to kill 14,000 Russians in Donbas after they OVERWHELMINGLY voted to rejoin Russia

 

[Stann]

Russia is weeks away from national elections.

So what , Putin is dictator for now. These elections are meaningless.

 

[Polishprince]

Poland was in the old Russian Empire.

Not quite accurate. After the Napoleonic age and Poland losing its independence, the country was split between Russia, Prussia and Austria.

 

[martybegan]

Not quite accurate. After the Napoleonic age and Poland losing its independence, the country was split between Russia, Prussia and Austria.

And then Russia and Germany, and then Germany and the Soviet Union. Right or wrongly, Russian of an old empire mindset sees parts of Poland as theirs historically.

 

[eagle1462010]

Putin's bitch ass is having trouble beating Ukraine. NATO combined EU has 1.3 million active troops without us.

Hes not stupid. He knows and has admitted he cant win against NATO.

 

[Stann]

And then Russia and Germany, and then Germany and the Soviet Union. Right or wrongly, Russian of an old empire mindset sees parts of Poland as theirs historically.

Definitely WRONG ! The age of Imperialism is long gone.

 

[martybegan]

Putin's bitch ass is having trouble beating Ukraine. NATO combined EU has 1.3 million active troops without us.

Hes not stupid. He knows and has admitted he cant win against NATO.

What he's seeing in Ukraine is he doesn't have to win, he just has to keep fighting.

 

[martybegan]

Definitely WRONG ! The age of Imperialism is long gone.

It's not wrong factually. Where did I agree with the Russian mindset on this?

I am talking about how THEY see the situation, not the rightness of their view.

 

[Redfish]

Whether or not he succeeds of fails in his current nefarious goal via his invasion of Ukraine, will he stop at Ukraine or will he move on to the next Slavic country he wants to conquer?

If not, why not?

If so, which country is next on the chopping block?

the domino theory, right? tell us how that worked out for the 58,000 americans who died in Viet Nam. The domino theory is bullshit. Let Putin have Ukraine, keeping it separate has zero impact on the USA. It is not worth one dollar or one US life to keep corrupt Ukraine from rejoining Russia. Are you ready to send your kids to die for Ukraine?

 

[eagle1462010]

What he's seeing in Ukraine is he doesn't have to win, he just has to keep fighting.

Well it bleeds both sides. And causes financial problems for those funding it.

He wants the Baltic secure, and a buffer to Nato as another poster has said.

 

[martybegan]

Well it bleeds both sides. And causes financial problems for those funding it.

He wants the Baltic secure, and a buffer to Nato as another poster has said.

he wants the Baltics back. That's been a goal for every Russian strongman since Stalin and Lenin.

So far the Russian population seems to be falling in line for all this. If Russia expands this to the Baltics how much of a Stomach will the west have to do what would need to be done?

 

[Redfish]

Well it bleeds both sides. And causes financial problems for those funding it.

He wants the Baltic secure, and a buffer to Nato as another poster has said.

Which would be better, World war 3 or mutually beneficial relations with Russia? Those are the only two choices.

 

[Redfish]

he wants the Baltics back. That's been a goal for every Russian strongman since Stalin and Lenin.

So far the Russian population seems to be falling in line for all this. If Russia expands this to the Baltics how much of a Stomach will the west have to do what would need to be done?

yeah, and if Viet Nam became commuist all of southeast asia would follow. But 58,000 americans died to prove that bullshit wrong. how many will have to die "to keep Ukraine a separate nation"?

 

[martybegan]

yeah, and if Viet Nam became commuist all of southeast asia would follow. But 58,000 americans died to prove that bullshit wrong. how many will have to die "to keep Ukraine a separate nation"?

Cambodia didn't go communist?

So abandon NATO and the Baltics?

 

[eagle1462010]

he wants the Baltics back. That's been a goal for every Russian strongman since Stalin and Lenin.

So far the Russian population seems to be falling in line for all this. If Russia expands this to the Baltics how much of a Stomach will the west have to do what would need to be done?

Risking nuclear War is the main issue. Not the ability to beat his armies....that being if the dragon doesnt join the bear.