Widening Of The Buffer Zone

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, with making a statement out of context.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. The Partition Plan, a four-part document attached to the resolution, provided for the termination of the Mandate, the progressive withdrawal of British armed forces and the delineation of boundaries between the two States and Jerusalem. Part I of the Plan stipulated that the Mandate would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would withdraw no later than 1 August 1948. The new states would come into existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October 1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements: Arab nationalism in Palestine and Jewish nationalism, known as Zionism.[3][4] The Plan also called for Economic Unionbetween the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and minority rights.

The Plan was accepted by the Jewish public, except for its fringes, and by the Jewish Agency despite its perceived limitations.[5][6]

Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.[8] Their reason was that it violated the principles ofnational self-determination in the UN charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[6][9]

Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, the civil war broke out.[10] The partition plan was not implemented.[11]

Bottom line.

The partition plan was not implemented.

(OBSERVATION)

An official release --- for the International Community --- from the UN and the Successor Government (the UN Palestine Commission):

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: Press Release PAL/169 17 May 1948

(COMMENT)

You consistently make these bold and blatantly false statements. Just because the Plan was not implemented to your satisfaction, does not mean that you have the last word.

The Plan did not require both parties to agree.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.

SOURCE: UN GA/RES/181(II)

Most Respectfully,
R

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.​

Are they saying that all Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel are Israeli citizens?

I am just looking for something, anything, about resolution 181 that was actually implemented.

 

[P F Tinmore]

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. The Partition Plan, a four-part document attached to the resolution, provided for the termination of the Mandate, the progressive withdrawal of British armed forces and the delineation of boundaries between the two States and Jerusalem. Part I of the Plan stipulated that the Mandate would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would withdraw no later than 1 August 1948. The new states would come into existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October 1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements: Arab nationalism in Palestine and Jewish nationalism, known as Zionism.[3][4] The Plan also called for Economic Unionbetween the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and minority rights.

The Plan was accepted by the Jewish public, except for its fringes, and by the Jewish Agency despite its perceived limitations.[5][6]

Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.[8] Their reason was that it violated the principles ofnational self-determination in the UN charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[6][9]

Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, the civil war broke out.[10] The partition plan was not implemented.[11]

Bottom line.

The partition plan was not implemented.

Again with the same lies?

I was just quoting eagle1462010

Widening Of The Buffer Zone Page 25 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

So don't blame me.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, with making a statement out of context.

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. The Partition Plan, a four-part document attached to the resolution, provided for the termination of the Mandate, the progressive withdrawal of British armed forces and the delineation of boundaries between the two States and Jerusalem. Part I of the Plan stipulated that the Mandate would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would withdraw no later than 1 August 1948. The new states would come into existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October 1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements: Arab nationalism in Palestine and Jewish nationalism, known as Zionism.[3][4] The Plan also called for Economic Unionbetween the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and minority rights.

The Plan was accepted by the Jewish public, except for its fringes, and by the Jewish Agency despite its perceived limitations.[5][6]

Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.[8] Their reason was that it violated the principles ofnational self-determination in the UN charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[6][9]

Immediately after adoption of the Resolution by the General Assembly, the civil war broke out.[10] The partition plan was not implemented.[11]

Bottom line.

The partition plan was not implemented.

(OBSERVATION)

An official release --- for the International Community --- from the UN and the Successor Government (the UN Palestine Commission):

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: Press Release PAL/169 17 May 1948

(COMMENT)

You consistently make these bold and blatantly false statements. Just because the Plan was not implemented to your satisfaction, does not mean that you have the last word.

The Plan did not require both parties to agree.

F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS

When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration should be given to its application for admission to membership in the United Nations in accordance with Article 4 of the Charter of the United Nations.

SOURCE: UN GA/RES/181(II)

Most Respectfully,
R

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.​

Are they saying that all Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel are Israeli citizens?

I am just looking for something, anything, about resolution 181 that was actually implemented.

Can you give examples of what you might be looking for ?

For example, if you believe that 181 was implemented, what would we see?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Arab External Influence (Arab League Attack) on the day of Israeli Independence, as well as the Arab Palestinian insurgency, disrupted the implementation of post-Independence governmental functions.

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.​

Are they saying that all Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel are Israeli citizens?

I am just looking for something, anything, about resolution 181 that was actually implemented.

(OBSERVATION)

Arabs residing in the area of the proposed Jewish State and Jews residing in the area of the proposed Arab State who have signed a notice of intention to opt for citizenship of the other State shall be eligible to vote in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of that State, but not in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of the State in which they reside. (Chapter 3)

(COMMENT)

Not everything in a civil war goes according to plan. But everything up to all the Steps Preparatory to Independence in the Plan was effected, to include independence. But the Arab Palestinian, through the Arab Higher Committee made their intention not only --- NOT to cooperate --- but to engage in hostilities --- as clear as could be made.

I find it totally absurd for the Arab Palestinian to openly refuse to participate in the Plan, create the conditions for a civil war over the Independence of Israel --- and then complain that it wasn't perfectly executed. Every Arab Palestinian opposed the Plan in every way, including citizenship plans within the resolution (“anything deriving therefrom”).

The Arab Palestinian stated their position quite clearly:

6. The Secretary-General has been informed by the Arab Higher Committee that is determined to persist in its rejection of the partition plan and in its refusal to recognize the resolution of the Assembly and “anything deriving therefrom”. The Subsequent communication of 6 February to the Secretary-General from the representative of the Arab Higher Committee set forth the following conclusions of the Arab Higher Committee Delegation:​

• • 
    “a. The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    “b. The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power or group of powers to establish a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force.
    
    c. It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said commission.
    
    d. The United Nations or its commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    e. The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    f. The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    g. The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

• • 
    “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

I can understand why you are having difficulty finding any portion of the Plan favorably concerning Arab Palestinians. They simply forfieted everything.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Arab External Influence (Arab League Attack) on the day of Israeli Independence, as well as the Arab Palestinian insurgency, disrupted the implementation of post-Independence governmental functions.

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.​

Are they saying that all Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel are Israeli citizens?

I am just looking for something, anything, about resolution 181 that was actually implemented.

(OBSERVATION)

Arabs residing in the area of the proposed Jewish State and Jews residing in the area of the proposed Arab State who have signed a notice of intention to opt for citizenship of the other State shall be eligible to vote in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of that State, but not in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of the State in which they reside. (Chapter 3)

(COMMENT)

Not everything in a civil war goes according to plan. But everything up to all the Steps Preparatory to Independence in the Plan was effected, to include independence. But the Arab Palestinian, through the Arab Higher Committee made their intention not only NOT to cooperate but to engage in hostilities --- as clar as could be made.

I find it totally absurd for the Arab Palestinian to openly refuse to participate in the Plan, create the conditions for a civil war over the Independence of Israel --- and then complain that it wasn't perfectly executed. Every Arab Palestinian opposed the Plan in every way, including citizenship plans within the resolution (“anything deriving therefrom”).

The Arab Palestinian stated their position quite clearly:

6. The Secretary-General has been informed by the Arab Higher Committee that is determined to persist in its rejection of the partition plan and in its refusal to recognize the resolution of the Assembly and “anything deriving therefrom”. The Subsequent communication of 6 February to the Secretary-General from the representative of the Arab Higher Committee set forth the following conclusions of the Arab Higher Committee Delegation:​

• • 
    “a. The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    “b. The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power or group of powers to establish a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force.
    
    c. It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said commission.
    
    d. The United Nations or its commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    e. The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    f. The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    g. The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

• • 
    “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

I can understand why you are having difficulty finding any portion of the Plan favorably concerning Arab Palestinians. They simply forfieted everything.

Most Respectfully,
R

They rejected the partition of their country as they had every right to do.

They fought against the military takeover of their country as they had every right to do. The aggression was on the Zionist's side.

They didn't forfeit shit.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Arab External Influence (Arab League Attack) on the day of Israeli Independence, as well as the Arab Palestinian insurgency, disrupted the implementation of post-Independence governmental functions.

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.​

Are they saying that all Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel are Israeli citizens?

I am just looking for something, anything, about resolution 181 that was actually implemented.

(OBSERVATION)

Arabs residing in the area of the proposed Jewish State and Jews residing in the area of the proposed Arab State who have signed a notice of intention to opt for citizenship of the other State shall be eligible to vote in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of that State, but not in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of the State in which they reside. (Chapter 3)

(COMMENT)

Not everything in a civil war goes according to plan. But everything up to all the Steps Preparatory to Independence in the Plan was effected, to include independence. But the Arab Palestinian, through the Arab Higher Committee made their intention not only NOT to cooperate but to engage in hostilities --- as clar as could be made.

I find it totally absurd for the Arab Palestinian to openly refuse to participate in the Plan, create the conditions for a civil war over the Independence of Israel --- and then complain that it wasn't perfectly executed. Every Arab Palestinian opposed the Plan in every way, including citizenship plans within the resolution (“anything deriving therefrom”).

The Arab Palestinian stated their position quite clearly:

6. The Secretary-General has been informed by the Arab Higher Committee that is determined to persist in its rejection of the partition plan and in its refusal to recognize the resolution of the Assembly and “anything deriving therefrom”. The Subsequent communication of 6 February to the Secretary-General from the representative of the Arab Higher Committee set forth the following conclusions of the Arab Higher Committee Delegation:​

• • 
    “a. The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    “b. The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power or group of powers to establish a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force.
    
    c. It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said commission.
    
    d. The United Nations or its commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    e. The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    f. The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    g. The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

• • 
    “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

I can understand why you are having difficulty finding any portion of the Plan favorably concerning Arab Palestinians. They simply forfieted everything.

Most Respectfully,
R

They rejected the partition of their country as they had every right to do.

They fought against the military takeover of their country as they had every right to do. The aggression was on the Zionist's side.

They didn't forfeit shit.

Tinmore, the Arab League, since 1948 have forced the Palestinians to do their bidding. They had to forfeit everything. And you are aware of it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You seem to forget that the Arab External Influence (Arab League Attack) on the day of Israeli Independence, as well as the Arab Palestinian insurgency, disrupted the implementation of post-Independence governmental functions.

1. Citizenship. Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.​

Are they saying that all Palestinians who normally lived in the territory that became Israel are Israeli citizens?

I am just looking for something, anything, about resolution 181 that was actually implemented.

(OBSERVATION)

Arabs residing in the area of the proposed Jewish State and Jews residing in the area of the proposed Arab State who have signed a notice of intention to opt for citizenship of the other State shall be eligible to vote in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of that State, but not in the elections to the Constituent Assembly of the State in which they reside. (Chapter 3)

(COMMENT)

Not everything in a civil war goes according to plan. But everything up to all the Steps Preparatory to Independence in the Plan was effected, to include independence. But the Arab Palestinian, through the Arab Higher Committee made their intention not only NOT to cooperate but to engage in hostilities --- as clar as could be made.

I find it totally absurd for the Arab Palestinian to openly refuse to participate in the Plan, create the conditions for a civil war over the Independence of Israel --- and then complain that it wasn't perfectly executed. Every Arab Palestinian opposed the Plan in every way, including citizenship plans within the resolution (“anything deriving therefrom”).

The Arab Palestinian stated their position quite clearly:

6. The Secretary-General has been informed by the Arab Higher Committee that is determined to persist in its rejection of the partition plan and in its refusal to recognize the resolution of the Assembly and “anything deriving therefrom”. The Subsequent communication of 6 February to the Secretary-General from the representative of the Arab Higher Committee set forth the following conclusions of the Arab Higher Committee Delegation:​

• • 
    “a. The Arabs of Palestine will never recognize the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
    
    “b. The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power or group of powers to establish a Jewish State in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense by force.
    
    c. It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said commission.
    
    d. The United Nations or its commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
    
    e. The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
    
    f. The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
    
    g. The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition.

• • 
    “The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out – man women and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

I can understand why you are having difficulty finding any portion of the Plan favorably concerning Arab Palestinians. They simply forfieted everything.

Most Respectfully,
R

They rejected the partition of their country as they had every right to do.

They fought against the military takeover of their country as they had every right to do. The aggression was on the Zionist's side.

They didn't forfeit shit.

Tinmore, the Arab League, since 1948 have forced the Palestinians to do their bidding. They had to forfeit everything. And you are aware of it.

Forfeit is the government term for stealing. They use a different word to distinguish themselves from the other crooks.

 

[Phoenall]

A special British coin minted for the Palestinian mandate. Which is why it is in Arabic, English and Hebrew

 

[fanger]

A special British coin minted for the Palestinian mandate. Which is why it is in Arabic, English and Hebrew

If jews were Palestinians, Palestine would be written in Hebrew?

 

[Phoenall]

fanger, et al,

Why did you cite Article 5?

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

(COMMENT)

There was no territory ceded or leased to a foreign power.

Most Respectfully,
R

That is correct.

The Mandate quit Palestine without ceding or leasing any land to anyone. They left Palestine in the hands of its citizens.

The MANDATE never quit Palestine at all as it is still in place, it was the British that quit Palestine because they did not want another war. The citizens were the Jews after the arab muslims turned down every offer placed on the table since 1926

 

[Phoenall]

A special British coin minted for the Palestinian mandate. Which is why it is in Arabic, English and Hebrew

If jews were Palestinians, Palestine would be written in Hebrew?

It is right underneath the English spelling of Palestine, or cant your ISLAMONAZI eyes see that. Have you been brainwashed not to recognise Hebrew

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now we are just quibbling over derivative authority versus statutory authority.

In all matters relating to the Administration of Palestine, the authority was derivative; even the authority of the Mandatory (UK).

[

Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.

(COMMENT)

In January 1947, the Jewish Agency was unequivocally the designated representatives to assist the UN Palestine Commission in the establishment of an Independent State. This was completely outside the scope of the Mandate. That is because it was amid the transition.

Your argument is now convoluted. With regard to True Authority, you are correct. The Jewish Agency had no true authority any more than the Arab Higher Committee had any authority. All authority was administered and delegated to the Mandatory. That does not diminish that contributions made by the Jewish Agency in the utimate establishment of the Jewish National Home.

In terms of authority to exercise the right of self-determination, the Jewish Agency, had all the authority required to complete the Steps Preparatory to Independence for the Provisional Government to Declare Independence; much much more than that of the Arab Palestinian; this is self evident in the face of the fact that it was accomplished. A goal towards nationalism which the Arab Palestinian were unable to attain.

You want to call it "advisory" --- so be it. In reality --- they built a nation that endures to this day and is self-governing and economically stable and sound. What did the Arab Palestinian accomplish?

You as a proPalestinian can criticize the Israeli all you want, but in the end, they have a nation working towards peace. In contrast, the Arab Palestinian has a dysfunctional operations that is monetarily parasitic and Jihadist in nature working towards the continuation of conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and all of that was in violation of the inalienable rights of the native population.

You know, the Palestinians, that the lying sacks of shit in Israel have always claimed did not exist.

Not as they were applied in 1920 when the Mandate was undertaken, and the only Palestinians at that time were the Jews. The arab muslims called themselves Syrians.

Where do you keep getting all of your lies? (link?)

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Article 30 is of a great significance. It constituted a declaration of existing international law and the standard practice of states. This was despite the absence of a definite international law rule of state succession under which the nationals of predecessor state could ipso facto acquire the nationality of the successor.129 “As a rule, however, States have conferred their nationality on the former nationals of the predecessor State.”130 In practice, almost all peace treaties concluded between the Allies and other states at the end of World War I embodied nationality provisions similar to those of the Treaty of Lausanne. The inhabitants of Palestine, as the successors of this territory, henceforth acquired Palestinian nationality even if there was no treaty with Turkey.

The Treaty confirmed the previous practice whereby inhabitants were effectively regarded as Palestinians. To be sure, most of the Treaty’s nationality rules were later embodied in the 1925 Palestinian Citizenship Order and became part of the country’s law.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

It simply said "Turkish subjects" without specifying any religion. Most of those subjects were Muslim, then Christians, then Jews respectively. They were all Palestinians.[/QUOTE]




MANDATE FOR PALESTINE citizens, not nation, state or country of Palestine. The arab muslims called the Jews Palestinians ( more correctly balestinians because they could not pronounce the P ) as a derogatory name as they had done since 627 C.E. when Mohamed declared a fatwah on them. Read the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that sets out special treatment for the Jews and sets them higher than the arab muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

fanger, et al,

Why did you cite Article 5?

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

(COMMENT)

There was no territory ceded or leased to a foreign power.

Most Respectfully,
R

That is correct.

The Mandate quit Palestine without ceding or leasing any land to anyone. They left Palestine in the hands of its citizens.

They were offered land and a country...................They chose WAR and LOST.

They were not offered any land.

UN res 181 says they were........................

 

[aris2chat]

A special British coin minted for the Palestinian mandate. Which is why it is in Arabic, English and Hebrew

it was
פלשתינה

 

[fanger]

Jews recognized the state of Palestine at that time?

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now we are just quibbling over derivative authority versus statutory authority.

In all matters relating to the Administration of Palestine, the authority was derivative; even the authority of the Mandatory (UK).

[

Where in your link does it say that the Jewish agency "had no authority inside the mandate and after the mandate left it had no right to stay in Palestine" ?

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.

(COMMENT)

In January 1947, the Jewish Agency was unequivocally the designated representatives to assist the UN Palestine Commission in the establishment of an Independent State. This was completely outside the scope of the Mandate. That is because it was amid the transition.

Your argument is now convoluted. With regard to True Authority, you are correct. The Jewish Agency had no true authority any more than the Arab Higher Committee had any authority. All authority was administered and delegated to the Mandatory. That does not diminish that contributions made by the Jewish Agency in the utimate establishment of the Jewish National Home.

In terms of authority to exercise the right of self-determination, the Jewish Agency, had all the authority required to complete the Steps Preparatory to Independence for the Provisional Government to Declare Independence; much much more than that of the Arab Palestinian; this is self evident in the face of the fact that it was accomplished. A goal towards nationalism which the Arab Palestinian were unable to attain.

You want to call it "advisory" --- so be it. In reality --- they built a nation that endures to this day and is self-governing and economically stable and sound. What did the Arab Palestinian accomplish?

You as a proPalestinian can criticize the Israeli all you want, but in the end, they have a nation working towards peace. In contrast, the Arab Palestinian has a dysfunctional operations that is monetarily parasitic and Jihadist in nature working towards the continuation of conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and all of that was in violation of the inalienable rights of the native population.

You know, the Palestinians, that the lying sacks of shit in Israel have always claimed did not exist.

Not as they were applied in 1920 when the Mandate was undertaken, and the only Palestinians at that time were the Jews. The arab muslims called themselves Syrians.

Where do you keep getting all of your lies? (link?)

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Article 30 is of a great significance. It constituted a declaration of existing international law and the standard practice of states. This was despite the absence of a definite international law rule of state succession under which the nationals of predecessor state could ipso facto acquire the nationality of the successor.129 “As a rule, however, States have conferred their nationality on the former nationals of the predecessor State.”130 In practice, almost all peace treaties concluded between the Allies and other states at the end of World War I embodied nationality provisions similar to those of the Treaty of Lausanne. The inhabitants of Palestine, as the successors of this territory, henceforth acquired Palestinian nationality even if there was no treaty with Turkey.

The Treaty confirmed the previous practice whereby inhabitants were effectively regarded as Palestinians. To be sure, most of the Treaty’s nationality rules were later embodied in the 1925 Palestinian Citizenship Order and became part of the country’s law.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

It simply said "Turkish subjects" without specifying any religion. Most of those subjects were Muslim, then Christians, then Jews respectively. They were all Palestinians.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE citizens, not nation, state or country of Palestine. The arab muslims called the Jews Palestinians ( more correctly balestinians because they could not pronounce the P ) as a derogatory name as they had done since 627 C.E. when Mohamed declared a fatwah on them. Read the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that sets out special treatment for the Jews and sets them higher than the arab muslims.[/QUOTE]

The Palestinians called themselves the people of Palestine. The Jews called themselves Zionists as the correspondence between the British and the two parties confirm. Source documents, mind you.

Excerpt from a letter from the Palestinian Delegation to the British:

"If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration. - See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

Excerpt from the Zionist Organization to the British:

SIR, With reference to your letter of June 3rd, receipt of which has already been acknowledged, I have the honour to inform you that the Executive of the Zionist Organisation have considered the statement relative to the policy of His Majesty's Government in Palestine, of which you have been good enough to furnish them with a copy, and have passed the following resolution : - See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

 

[aris2chat]

Jews recognized the state of Palestine at that time?

british mandate

 

[Phoenall]

Jews recognized the state of Palestine at that time?

No state of Palestine until 1988, what there was in place was the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE under the BRITISH MANDATE that had to provide certain of life's niceties. For example money, postage stamps, passports etc.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Now we are just quibbling over derivative authority versus statutory authority.

In all matters relating to the Administration of Palestine, the authority was derivative; even the authority of the Mandatory (UK).

From Rocco's post:

The "Jewish Agency" (JA) was a prerequisite established under Article 4, The Mandate For Palestine; established in 1929. The JA had to be accredited by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) under the Article 4, "as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home."​

It was an advisory organization. It had no authority. It was a part of the mandate and had no function absent the mandate.

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In January 1947, the Jewish Agency was unequivocally the designated representatives to assist the UN Palestine Commission in the establishment of an Independent State. This was completely outside the scope of the Mandate. That is because it was amid the transition.

Your argument is now convoluted. With regard to True Authority, you are correct. The Jewish Agency had no true authority any more than the Arab Higher Committee had any authority. All authority was administered and delegated to the Mandatory. That does not diminish that contributions made by the Jewish Agency in the utimate establishment of the Jewish National Home.

In terms of authority to exercise the right of self-determination, the Jewish Agency, had all the authority required to complete the Steps Preparatory to Independence for the Provisional Government to Declare Independence; much much more than that of the Arab Palestinian; this is self evident in the face of the fact that it was accomplished. A goal towards nationalism which the Arab Palestinian were unable to attain.

You want to call it "advisory" --- so be it. In reality --- they built a nation that endures to this day and is self-governing and economically stable and sound. What did the Arab Palestinian accomplish?

You as a proPalestinian can criticize the Israeli all you want, but in the end, they have a nation working towards peace. In contrast, the Arab Palestinian has a dysfunctional operations that is monetarily parasitic and Jihadist in nature working towards the continuation of conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and all of that was in violation of the inalienable rights of the native population.

You know, the Palestinians, that the lying sacks of shit in Israel have always claimed did not exist.

Not as they were applied in 1920 when the Mandate was undertaken, and the only Palestinians at that time were the Jews. The arab muslims called themselves Syrians.

Where do you keep getting all of your lies? (link?)

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Article 30 is of a great significance. It constituted a declaration of existing international law and the standard practice of states. This was despite the absence of a definite international law rule of state succession under which the nationals of predecessor state could ipso facto acquire the nationality of the successor.129 “As a rule, however, States have conferred their nationality on the former nationals of the predecessor State.”130 In practice, almost all peace treaties concluded between the Allies and other states at the end of World War I embodied nationality provisions similar to those of the Treaty of Lausanne. The inhabitants of Palestine, as the successors of this territory, henceforth acquired Palestinian nationality even if there was no treaty with Turkey.

The Treaty confirmed the previous practice whereby inhabitants were effectively regarded as Palestinians. To be sure, most of the Treaty’s nationality rules were later embodied in the 1925 Palestinian Citizenship Order and became part of the country’s law.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

It simply said "Turkish subjects" without specifying any religion. Most of those subjects were Muslim, then Christians, then Jews respectively. They were all Palestinians.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE citizens, not nation, state or country of Palestine. The arab muslims called the Jews Palestinians ( more correctly balestinians because they could not pronounce the P ) as a derogatory name as they had done since 627 C.E. when Mohamed declared a fatwah on them. Read the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that sets out special treatment for the Jews and sets them higher than the arab muslims.

The Palestinians called themselves the people of Palestine. The Jews called themselves Zionists as the correspondence between the British and the two parties confirm. Source documents, mind you.

Excerpt from a letter from the Palestinian Delegation to the British:

"If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration. - See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

Excerpt from the Zionist Organization to the British:

SIR, With reference to your letter of June 3rd, receipt of which has already been acknowledged, I have the honour to inform you that the Executive of the Zionist Organisation have considered the statement relative to the policy of His Majesty's Government in Palestine, of which you have been good enough to furnish them with a copy, and have passed the following resolution : - See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922 [/QUOTE]




Proving that the arab muslims were not agreeable with the agreements already made by them and Balfour in respect of Palestine and the Jews. Showing that the muslims will make agreements and then renege on them when they have what they want. The LoN should have sent a task force in to Palestine and instructed the arab muslims that the agreements made stand and any civil unrest would be put down with force.

The Jordanians and Lebanese showed the world the way to go in settling the Palestinians and defanging them.

 

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Actually, the Palestine Delegation to London was composed of Christians and Muslim, the Christian Palestinians were the wealthiest and most influential Palestinians in those days. The Christians and Muslims had never agreed to cede their lands to Europeans. The Europeans decided to take their lands and give them to other Europeans they really did not like much, the Jews.