Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[Hutch Starskey]

Which is exactly what they are fighting against

Restricting handgun sales to one a month will cut down on straw buyers selling to criminals
So will mandatory background checks on ALL sales

Liar.

So you're able to account for every private sale in the US?

ARe you on some sort of drugs?

Ate(sic) you unable or just unwilling to answer?

It's an asinine question.

Look, I understand: you want guns limited to the rich, the well-connected, police, and criminals.

It's not asinine. You would have to know about every private sale to call someone a liar the way you did.

Closing loopholes and requiring background checks only excludes those who could not pass a background check.

 

[martybegan]

No, it isn't. When It takes my 3-6 months and $500 just to keep a revolver in my apartment my right is infringed.

You still get the gun, dope.

I'm still being infringed.

No.
You're butthurt over the process.

I am angry because my RKBA is being infringed. The whole purpose of NYC's process isn't safety but to discourage people from applying by making it too expensive and too time consuming.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with Virginia or what Virginians want, but thanks for playing.

It has to do with what Gun control advocates, including Virginian ones, want leading to eventual bans on the private ownership of firearms.

It's one big fight, despite your pathetic attempt to divide and conquer.

 

[martybegan]

Typical SJW sheep.

baaaaaa...

You mean a good citizen who recognizes and respects how our system of government works.

No, a sheep who thinks we work for government instead of the other way around.

It's the job of SCOTUS to Define our laws according to the constitution. They have no obligation to take your tearful objections into consideration.

No, it's their job to interpret them with regards to the constitution, not define, and when found wanting to resolve said issue with the least impact possible on our freedoms.

Define as in constitutionality. Laws aren't interpreted. The constitution is.

Stop crying.

The laws are interpreted based on the constitution. They are defined by congress when they are written.

 

[bendog]

Which is exactly what they are fighting against

Restricting handgun sales to one a month will cut down on straw buyers selling to criminals
So will mandatory background checks on ALL sales

Liar.

So you're able to account for every private sale in the US?

ARe you on some sort of drugs?

Ate(sic) you unable or just unwilling to answer?

It's an asinine question.

Look, I understand: you want guns limited to the rich, the well-connected, police, and criminals.

There's nothing in VA proposed laws that detracts from the less affluent having arms beyond the cost of a background check. I'm against meaningless regulations that have no purpose but to deter peaceful citizens from owning firearms, but this just isn't one. Rights are not free.

 

[Dick Foster]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

 

[bendog]

You still get the gun, dope.

I'm still being infringed.

No.
You're butthurt over the process.

I am angry because my RKBA is being infringed. The whole purpose of NYC's process isn't safety but to discourage people from applying by making it too expensive and too time consuming.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with Virginia or what Virginians want, but thanks for playing.

It has to do with what Gun control advocates, including Virginian ones, want leading to eventual bans on the private ownership of firearms.

It's one big fight, despite your pathetic attempt to divide and conquer.

Virginia is not about making ownership illegal. And that is not happening in any state. Even Justice Kagan isn't having any of that crap.

I understand the NYC gun laws bother you. They'd bother me too, probably. But since they do actually track crime reductions in NYC, I doubt any progun special interests want to make that legal challenge a poster child. NYC is pretty unique. It was literally worse than Chicago at its worst back in the early 70s.

 

[bendog]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You mean a good citizen who recognizes and respects how our system of government works.

No, a sheep who thinks we work for government instead of the other way around.

It's the job of SCOTUS to Define our laws according to the constitution. They have no obligation to take your tearful objections into consideration.

No, it's their job to interpret them with regards to the constitution, not define, and when found wanting to resolve said issue with the least impact possible on our freedoms.

Define as in constitutionality. Laws aren't interpreted. The constitution is.

Stop crying.

The laws are interpreted based on the constitution. They are defined by congress when they are written.

No, dope. Your argument has gone way in the weeds.
Laws are ruled as either constitutional or not based on the interpretation of the constitution made by SCOTUS.

 

[Blues Man]

No you are dodging the question.

As usual

I provided the best explanation of the second as it exists today under the law.

Read it or don't but reserve your bitching for those who make such rulings.

I didn't ask you about any explanation I asked what was written in the Constitution and you refuse to answer as ususal

Neither you nor I get to interpret constitutional amendments.

Where did I ask you to interpret anything?

Where did I ask you to interpret anything?

Derp.....

You looking in the mirror ?

 

[Blues Man]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

So where does it say where you can carry?

Oh yeah it doesn't say anything about that

 

[Blues Man]

Liar.

So you're able to account for every private sale in the US?

ARe you on some sort of drugs?

Ate(sic) you unable or just unwilling to answer?

It's an asinine question.

Look, I understand: you want guns limited to the rich, the well-connected, police, and criminals.

There's nothing in VA proposed laws that detracts from the less affluent having arms beyond the cost of a background check. I'm against meaningless regulations that have no purpose but to deter peaceful citizens from owning firearms, but this just isn't one. Rights are not free.

So the it would be OK to require voters to pay the same fee a person has to pay for a background check right?

 

[martybegan]

I'm still being infringed.

No.
You're butthurt over the process.

I am angry because my RKBA is being infringed. The whole purpose of NYC's process isn't safety but to discourage people from applying by making it too expensive and too time consuming.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with Virginia or what Virginians want, but thanks for playing.

It has to do with what Gun control advocates, including Virginian ones, want leading to eventual bans on the private ownership of firearms.

It's one big fight, despite your pathetic attempt to divide and conquer.

Virginia is not about making ownership illegal. And that is not happening in any state. Even Justice Kagan isn't having any of that crap.

I understand the NYC gun laws bother you. They'd bother me too, probably. But since they do actually track crime reductions in NYC, I doubt any progun special interests want to make that legal challenge a poster child. NYC is pretty unique. It was literally worse than Chicago at its worst back in the early 70s.

The laws have been on the books since the 60's 70's and 80' when crime was rampant. The gun laws have nothing to do with the crime reduction seen in the 90's and 2000's, that was due to aggressive quality of life policing.

The whole purpose of the laws isn't safety, it's to make the process or burdensome that people don't attempt it. Would you be OK with a $50 government fee and a 2-3 day wait for an abortion?

 

[martybegan]

No, a sheep who thinks we work for government instead of the other way around.

It's the job of SCOTUS to Define our laws according to the constitution. They have no obligation to take your tearful objections into consideration.

No, it's their job to interpret them with regards to the constitution, not define, and when found wanting to resolve said issue with the least impact possible on our freedoms.

Define as in constitutionality. Laws aren't interpreted. The constitution is.

Stop crying.

The laws are interpreted based on the constitution. They are defined by congress when they are written.

No, dope. Your argument has gone way in the weeds.
Laws are ruled as either constitutional or not based on the interpretation of the constitution made by SCOTUS.

And SCOTUS can be wrong. Plessey shows us that. SCOTUS give opinions nothing more, they may be binding at the time, but they are not the end all be all.

 

[Blues Man]

It's the job of SCOTUS to Define our laws according to the constitution. They have no obligation to take your tearful objections into consideration.

No, it's their job to interpret them with regards to the constitution, not define, and when found wanting to resolve said issue with the least impact possible on our freedoms.

Define as in constitutionality. Laws aren't interpreted. The constitution is.

Stop crying.

The laws are interpreted based on the constitution. They are defined by congress when they are written.

No, dope. Your argument has gone way in the weeds.
Laws are ruled as either constitutional or not based on the interpretation of the constitution made by SCOTUS.

And SCOTUS can be wrong. Plessey shows us that. SCOTUS give opinions nothing more, they may be binding at the time, but they are not the end all be all.

As evidenced by the number of rulings that have been reversed

List of overruled United States Supreme Court decisions - Wikipedia

 

[martybegan]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

It gives you the right to bear arms, not just keep them. That implies being able to walk around with them.

Before you list them controlled areas are different. When I go to an airport or a courtroom or another controlled area, I am searched like everyone else, and I can have a reasonable assumption that everyone else is disarmed as well, except for the armed people there to make sure everyone else is disarmed.

The question is, if out in public, if a State denies concealed carry AND open carry, are they denying the right to bear arms?

 

[Blues Man]

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

It gives you the right to bear arms, not just keep them. That implies being able to walk around with them.

Before you list them controlled areas are different. When I go to an airport or a courtroom or another controlled area, I am searched like everyone else, and I can have a reasonable assumption that everyone else is disarmed as well, except for the armed people there to make sure everyone else is disarmed.

The question is, if out in public, if a State denies concealed carry AND open carry, are they denying the right to bear arms?

And All of the airlines are private businesses so they are all well within their rights to tell passengers what they can and cannot carry onto one of their planes

 

[martybegan]

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

It gives you the right to bear arms, not just keep them. That implies being able to walk around with them.

Before you list them controlled areas are different. When I go to an airport or a courtroom or another controlled area, I am searched like everyone else, and I can have a reasonable assumption that everyone else is disarmed as well, except for the armed people there to make sure everyone else is disarmed.

The question is, if out in public, if a State denies concealed carry AND open carry, are they denying the right to bear arms?

And All of the airlines are private businesses so they are all well within their rights to tell passengers what they can and cannot carry onto one of their planes

The issue isn't the airlines, it's the airports, and most of those are publicly owned.

That being said airports are a controlled area, and most RKBA people accept the fact that firearms can be banned in controlled areas.

 

[2aguy]

I'm still being infringed.

No.
You're butthurt over the process.

I am angry because my RKBA is being infringed. The whole purpose of NYC's process isn't safety but to discourage people from applying by making it too expensive and too time consuming.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with Virginia or what Virginians want, but thanks for playing.

It has to do with what Gun control advocates, including Virginian ones, want leading to eventual bans on the private ownership of firearms.

It's one big fight, despite your pathetic attempt to divide and conquer.

Virginia is not about making ownership illegal. And that is not happening in any state. Even Justice Kagan isn't having any of that crap.

I understand the NYC gun laws bother you. They'd bother me too, probably. But since they do actually track crime reductions in NYC, I doubt any progun special interests want to make that legal challenge a poster child. NYC is pretty unique. It was literally worse than Chicago at its worst back in the early 70s.

New York crime went down under Guilliani and bloomberg kept his policies.......deblasio has reversed those policies and the murder rate is going up again.

Murder rate rises 55 percent in New York City, NYPD statistics say

Murder rates in New York City are up 55 percent in 2019 compared to the same time frame in 2018, according to NYPD statistics.
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The surge takes place as overall crime in New York City is down eight percent. The increase in murders is largely credited to a jump in violent crime in Northern Brooklyn. The ten precincts that comprise North Brooklyn have recorded 15 murders in the time frame this year, compared to just three last year -- a 400 percent increase.

The number of shootings that have not resulted in death are on the rise as well, with 22 people shot compared to 13 last year, a 69 percent jump.


What’s Behind the Murder Spike in Brooklyn?

“They’re gang-related shootings, and it’s the same related individuals who are showing up,” said Chief Terence A. Monahan, the department’s highest-ranking uniformed officer. He added that some of the people detained in connection with recent shootings were facing gun charges in other boroughs and had been released on bail.

There have been 21 killings so far in the Brooklyn North precincts, compared to 12 at this time last year. Many of those killings have been clustered in neighborhoods like East New York and Brownsville. Others have occurred on the edges of rapidly gentrifying areas like Bushwick and Bedford-Stuyvesant, where there were four murders within a five-block radius earlier this year.

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[2aguy]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

Actually, it does......

 

[Dick Foster]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

The second amendment is part of the constitution. The constitution is the supreme law of the land over all other laws. According to the supremacy clause which is part of the constitution itself. Every LEO, every mayor, every judge, governor, legislator, lawyer, soldier, sailor, airman, indeed every person in any official capacity whatsoever, everyone of them is required to swear can oath to uphold the constitution and hold it supreme ie, superior to ALL other law.
Does that answer your question?
The one and ONLY way to nullify the 2nd amendment is by constitutional amendment which must be done in one of the manners prescribed in the constitution itself. Both routes require ratification by 2/3 of the states as the final step before it becomes part of the constitution. In short before that happens, ALL gun laws in this nation currenty on the books are unconstitutional and therefore ILLEGAL. It's just that simple.

the second doesn't give you a right to open carry wherever you want.

Bullshit! What part of bear do you not understand? As in to keep and bear arms. Are you friggin illiterate just plain stupid or what?