Why we need guns? Oregon democrat party Governor released violent gun offender serving life in prison for murdering girl.

[AZrailwhale]

Would it be possible for someone to find an actual breakdown of how many "democrats" release violent offenders vs "republicans"? Because I doubt very highly there is a measurable difference between the two.

And WHO, exactly, is "releasing" them? Governors? That's rare. In most cases the release is a complex function of a large number of systems including parole boards etc.

So where do you get this stupid "democrats releasing violent criminals" cannard. I'm sure you can find a few cherry-picked examples but for it to actually be meaningful it would have to be a study across the board of a significant sample to see if your "hypothesis" is even remotely acquainted with reality.



So someone is convicted at age 18 and NOT given the death penalty. They work to improve themselves and get released. Should we just have killed him at the start? If there's no hope for reform then why do we even have prisons? Should we just kill all the criminals?

You can't rehabilitate criminals. Prisons work to punish people for their crimes. Minor crimes deserve minor punishment, major crimes like murder deserve major punishment.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm actually not averse to that position. But I also realize that not all murderers serve life sentences. And since that has been the case regardless of any political party over the past century or so I assume that is what we do.

Once you accept that the question comes: who deserves early release? As I noted that's not just one politician. That's an entire part of the prison system including parole boards. Surely you don't think all parole boards are raving liberals everywhere.

What murderer doesn't deserve the death penalty? I'd agree that some KILLERS don't deserve the death penalty, but all murderers do.

 

[2aguy]

As is anyone.



Which doesn't address anything I've said. Nothing here shows he is still violent.

Wrong....90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence....

He showed that unlike most people, he is actually is capable of murder.......he should have been executed.

 

[pknopp]

Wrong....90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence....

He showed that unlike most people, he is actually is capable of murder.......he should have been executed.

So many times people claim I am wrong about something but then "correct" me on something I never said. Not one did I say he hadn't been violent in the past but we will not your desire for violence.

 

[Polishprince]

There is no evidence he is still dangerous. Now that is a separate discussion of whether or not he should have been released. He should not have been.

The criminal here is only 45 years old.

I'd say that men of that age can still be quite dangerous.

If someone is in their mid 80's or above, and has served 40 or 50 years, you might have a point.

 

[2aguy]

The criminal here is only 45 years old.

I'd say that men of that age can still be quite dangerous.

If someone is in their mid 80's or above, and has served 40 or 50 years, you might have a point.

80s is the knew 70s......more than enough juice left in the tank for murder...

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• Italian man, 80, stabbed wife to death after she decided not to have sex with him
• Natalia Kyrychok, 61, refused to have sex with Vito Cangini after he took Viagra
• The incident happened in Fanano di Gradara, Italy, on the night of December 25

80-year-old Italian husband 'killed wife when she refused to have sex'

Vito Cangini, 80, was accused of killing his wife Natalia Kyrychok, 61, because she refused to have sex with him after he took a Viagra pill while at home (pictured) in the Marche, eastern Italy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And....

AUBURN, Maine — A man who served decades in prison for stabbing his wife 14 times in front of her daughter was convicted Wednesday in a nearly identical crime — stabbing a woman at least 11 times while her twin children watched.

Albert Flick, 77, whom a judge previously deemed too old to be a threat, was convicted in the 2018 death of Kimberly Dobbie. Jurors deliberated less than an hour before reaching the guilty verdict.

Man, released from prison after being deemed too old to be a threat, convicted in another killing

The 77-year-old man served decades in prison for stabbing his wife and is now being convicted of an almost identical crime.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Failzero]

I didn't say he did.

Unless he a Minority or LGBTQPN or an Illegal ?

 

[pknopp]

Unless he a Minority or LGBTQPN or an Illegal ?

Believe whatever you wish.

 

[Captain Caveman]

One of the reasons we need guns in America? The democrat party just simply refuses to keep violent, dangerous criminals in prison.......why do they continue to work to release the most violent monsters back to kill more people?

Oregon’s left-wing Sen. Ron Wyden called Gov. Kate Brown’s release of convicted murderer Kyle Hedquist “grossly irresponsible.”


Wyden said Brown’s decision to show mercy to Kyle Hedquist, now 45, “is wrong on every level, starting with its callousness toward the crime victim’s family and extending to all Oregonians counting on public officials to make decisions with public safety in mind.”
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Brown released Hedquist without bothering to inform the family of Nikki Thrasher, a 19-year-old who may or may not have known that Hedquist committed several burglaries. Hedquist lured Thrasher into the woods and shot her in the back of the head to keep her quiet.

Hedquist was convicted of murder in 1995 and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. But Brown released Thrasher’s executioner because he was such a good boy while in prison.

Holly Thrasher, Nikki’s still-grieving mother, wasn’t informed of her daughter’s murderer’s release until a TV station called her for comment.

“He took the life of my daughter in cold blood. It was a cold-blooded murder. He planned it,” Thrasher said.

Oregon Governor Grants Clemency to Man Who Executed Teen Girl in 1994

pjmedia.com

Can any of the anti-gun fanatics here on U.S.messageboard explain to us why you guys keep releasing the most dangerous gun criminals?

An explanation would be nice.....

Where did the Right to Bear arms come from in America? I know, but do you.

 

[2aguy]

Where did the Right to Bear arms come from in America? I know, but do you.

Yep...British tradition....

 

[Captain Caveman]

Yep...British tradition....

Yup, the Bill of Rights brought over by the Pilgrims and you have the stupidity to cry about the British. Idiot much

 

[pknopp]

According to the Founders they were endowed by the creator.

 

[2aguy]

Yup, the Bill of Rights brought over by the Pilgrims and you have the stupidity to cry about the British. Idiot much

I wouldn't even concern myself with a 3rd rate power like Britain, but the left wing, anti-gun fascists here use you idiots as a reason to ban and confiscate guns...

 

[Captain Caveman]

I wouldn't even concern myself with a 3rd rate power like Britain, but the left wing, anti-gun fascists here use you idiots as a reason to ban and confiscate guns...

You are still brain dead with the gun topic.

The British put the retards on the Mayflower, check your family tree, looks like you're directly descended from them.

The anti gun fascists you speak of are the sensible ones who don't want their kids and relatives murdered by the pro gun fruit loops.

 

[Failzero]

You are still brain dead with the gun topic.

The British put the retards on the Mayflower, check your family tree, looks like you're directly descended from them.

The Retards are the Swarthy Uncut Heathens from Turd world and the homegrown Dazzling Urbanite Knuckleheads

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

pjmedia

Unreliable source.

This fails as both a confirmation bias fallacy and a hasty generalization fallacy.

Moreover, no one opposes citizens possessing firearms for lawful self-defense, the idea that anyone does is a lie.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I wouldn't even concern myself with a 3rd rate power like Britain, but the left wing, anti-gun fascists here use you idiots as a reason to ban and confiscate guns...

Another lie.

No one advocates for ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns – no one is ‘anti-gun,’ whatever that’s supposed to be.

And fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, the sole purview of conservatives.

 

[Hollie]

Another lie.

No one advocates for ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns – no one is ‘anti-gun,’ whatever that’s supposed to be.

And fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, the sole purview of conservatives.

No one advocates for ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns? That's odd. This would appear to fail as both a confirmation bias fallacy and a hasty, ''I never looked for the facts'' generalization fallacy. Biden is advocating an ''assault weapons'' ban. I'm guessing neither you nor Biden can even define an ''assault weapon''.

That's strange because banning what you can't define would seem to be a problem.

MSN

www.msn.com

And then there's this:

Biden calls 9mm ‘high-caliber weapons,’ suggests banning them

President Biden spoke to reporters about his thoughts on 9mm handguns, calling them "high-caliber" and claiming that the Constitution is not "absolute."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Hollie]

Another lie.

No one advocates for ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns – no one is ‘anti-gun,’ whatever that’s supposed to be.

And fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, the sole purview of conservatives.

But,... but.... but.... but....

This is what happens when democrats get a roll and their inner fascist is unleashed.

But remember, democrats aren't looking to ban guns.

Biden calls 9mm ‘high-caliber weapons,’ suggests banning them

President Biden spoke to reporters about his thoughts on 9mm handguns, calling them "high-caliber" and claiming that the Constitution is not "absolute."

www.foxnews.com

President Biden on Monday took aim at 9mm handguns, appearing to suggest that the "high-caliber weapons" ought to be banned.

 

[2aguy]

Another lie.

No one advocates for ‘banning’ or ‘confiscating’ guns – no one is ‘anti-gun,’ whatever that’s supposed to be.

And fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, the sole purview of conservatives.

Except the entire leadership of the democrat party....