Why the tea party movement is so frightening...

[Bfgrn]

Bfgm, would it be possible....just a teeny bit possible.....for you to read the OP again and focus on that? I think many would sooooo much appreciate that. Thanking you in advance.

I DID...you just can't accept that I vehemently disagree with the OP, with your utopian, naive vision of the teabaggers and that I have posted pertinent information you choose to ignore.

... the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER have a racist and xenophobe like Tom Tancredo as a key speaker at their convention.

And, the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER call for dismantling government social programs, while BEING on the public dole.

The teabaggers are just a bunch of whiners that can't accept the will of the people.

I contend that Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin would never have agreed to those social programs in the first place. All were pretty clear that they did not see it as the role of the Federal government to dispense charity or benevolence of any kind. In fact they prudently saw that as immoral, a corrupting force, and a danger to human freedoms. Which is pretty well what has happened once our government leaders presumed to ignore their wise counsel.

I suspect if we could bring those guys and their colleagues back now, they would assess the situation and begin the process of reversing the damage. They would understand that it would have to be done incrementally just as it has accrued to avoid causing indefensible pain and suffering to those the government has made dependent on government.

I think the Tea Partiers would support them whole heartedly in that process.

And back to the thesis of the thread, this would frighten you why?

I disagree. The thing our founding fathers would view as a major breach of the government they created is the moneyed interests, lobbyists and special interests that have been able to buy socialism and welfare for themselves and create an aristocracy similar to the England they rebelled against.

But instead of arguing with you over ideology, give me YOUR solutions to health care for elderly people that leave the workforce and and retire.

What are your solutions for a single working mother that doesn't make enough to feed her children.

What are your solutions for a provider to pay bills and feed his family if he looses his job and can't find immediate employment, or if he is injured on the job and can't work.

 

[AllieBaba]

Elderly people are the responsibility of their families, themselves, and the community they live in...as they have always been in every culture that has ever existed.

NOT the federal government.

 

[Bfgrn]

Elderly people are the responsibility of their families, themselves, and the community they live in...as they have always been in every culture that has ever existed.

NOT the federal government.

So, when the father or mother reach an age where they can no longer work, earn a full wage and pay for health insurance, it becomes the responsibility of the children who are probably starting their own family and have their own expenses. And if they can't afford it, they can at least make them comfortable as they watch their parent die...

What a warm vision of America...

Hey, maybe mom or dad will refuse to retire, and just work until their day of death.

Another warm vision of America...

Your vision of America invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."

 

[Foxfyre]

Elderly people are the responsibility of their families, themselves, and the community they live in...as they have always been in every culture that has ever existed.

NOT the federal government.

So, when the father or mother reach an age where they can no longer work, earn a full wage and pay for health insurance, it becomes the responsibility of the children who are probably starting their own family and have their own expenses. And if they can't afford it, they can at least make them comfortable as they watch their parent die...

What a warm vision of America...

Hey, maybe mom or dad will refuse to retire, and just work until their day of death.

Another warm vision of America...

Your vision of America invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."

It's a hell of a lot warmer to me than is the guy who doesn't want the responsibility for his family and wants the state (meaning everybody else) to do it so he doesn't have to concern himself in any way.

 

[AllieBaba]

Elderly people are the responsibility of their families, themselves, and the community they live in...as they have always been in every culture that has ever existed.

NOT the federal government.

So, when the father or mother reach an age where they can no longer work, earn a full wage and pay for health insurance, it becomes the responsibility of the children who are probably starting their own family and have their own expenses. And if they can't afford it, they can at least make them comfortable as they watch their parent die...

What a warm vision of America...

Hey, maybe mom or dad will refuse to retire, and just work until their day of death.

Another warm vision of America...

Your vision of America invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."

That is the vision of America we have traditionally had until the last 50 years or so, when the left started screwing things up. You guys didn't want to take care of your folks, so you have mandated that the fed government do so.

Well it doesn't work out too well. You want to see a warm vision of America, look down the throats of elderly people who raised their kids to believe the government would take care of mom & pop when they got old....and who have to survive on $600 a month and NO KIDS AROUND. You want to see a warm vision of America, check out the assisted living facilities and nursing homes, where idiots like you dump your people because you think the federal government should take care of them.

Thanks, my mom has a home until she dies with her kids. Fuck you and fuck the government. We'll take care of her when the time comes. Because that's what decent human beings do.

 

[LANMaster]

Elderly people are the responsibility of their families, themselves, and the community they live in...as they have always been in every culture that has ever existed.

NOT the federal government.

So, when the father or mother reach an age where they can no longer work, earn a full wage and pay for health insurance, it becomes the responsibility of the children who are probably starting their own family and have their own expenses. And if they can't afford it, they can at least make them comfortable as they watch their parent die...

What a warm vision of America...

Hey, maybe mom or dad will refuse to retire, and just work until their day of death.

Another warm vision of America...

Your vision of America invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."

I supported Medicare. But I do not support this cradle-to-grave welfare mentality that says you are just plain too stupid to save for your own retirement, therefore it is the job of the Federal Government to steal from others to provide you with the means to do what you refused to do for yourself.
The entire population suffers from this idiotic notion, and it has been tried ad nauseum throughout history. It works for a decade or so, then the money runs out, and tyrrany is the natural result. Look at Greece. Look at where they will be 5 years from now. It's not pretty, and it is exactly what your political ilk supports.

 

[Bfgrn]

Elderly people are the responsibility of their families, themselves, and the community they live in...as they have always been in every culture that has ever existed.

NOT the federal government.

So, when the father or mother reach an age where they can no longer work, earn a full wage and pay for health insurance, it becomes the responsibility of the children who are probably starting their own family and have their own expenses. And if they can't afford it, they can at least make them comfortable as they watch their parent die...

What a warm vision of America...

Hey, maybe mom or dad will refuse to retire, and just work until their day of death.

Another warm vision of America...

Your vision of America invites the fate of Robert Frost's hired man, the fate of having "nothing to look backward to with pride, and nothing to look forward to with hope."

I supported Medicare. But I do not support this cradle-to-grave welfare mentality that says you are just plain too stupid to save for your own retirement, therefore it is the job of the Federal Government to steal from others to provide you with the means to do what you refused to do for yourself.
The entire population suffers from this idiotic notion, and it has been tried ad nauseum throughout history. It works for a decade or so, then the money runs out, and tyrrany is the natural result. Look at Greece. Look at where they will be 5 years from now. It's not pretty, and it is exactly what your political ilk supports.

Social Security didn't run out. The money was stolen by Ronald Reagan. Social Security does steal from others, everyone pays into it, and everyone becomes eligible to collect benefits. Paying into Social Security does not prohibit or prevent an individual from saving for their own retirement.

The mentality that I hate is how the right always diminishes human beings and finds a way to dehumanize poverty.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen

 

[geauxtohell]

Sigh.

Bemoan the continual derailment of this thread all you want, but you'll notice that there is a common denominator, and I know you are honest enough to see what it is.

 

[geauxtohell]

And WTH difference does it make what they protested for specifically? Seriously whether it was corporate tax cuts supported by the crown, or direct crown tax by proxy using the east india company makes no difference they felt it unfair and protested it. How the hell you can make this argument is beyond me....

And more importantly I would like some historical evidence of that claim.... Really....

Try and read something accurate and historical and not liberal slanted once in a while....

The Boston Tea Party, 1773



Want another reference?

Boston Tea Party Historical Society

Boston Tea Party Ship & Museum

This ignorant liberal talking point posting style of yours is getting old now.... You just posted a revisionist version of what happened and thats undeniable...

The tea party was caused by quite a few things, and one of the main things was the following...



Stop citing pundits and calling it factual man..its old now...

Are you trying to PROVE you are the most obtuse pea brain on this planet?

'something accurate and historical and not liberal slanted once in a while'... from WHOM? A marketing firm? Your posted has no author. The site has no information or even an 'About' tab.

'This ignorant liberal talking point' and 'a revisionist version of what happened'... you mean from a 'liberal' like Bruce Bartlett, who was a domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan and was a Treasury official under President George H.W. Bush???

Clearly, your brain is of the right wing type from birth, totally incapable of comprehension or conceptualization.

A 'word' bound right wing pea brain...

BTW, Thom Hartmann's reference..."Retrospect of the Boston Tea Party with a Memoir of George R.T. Hewes, a Survivor of the Little Band of Patriots Who Drowned the Tea in Boston Harbor in 1773,"

Which link are you referring to moron I gave you 3 of them..

First link: The Boston Tea Party, 1773 Their about us page is reached from a link on their homepage... Here ..EyeWitness to History - history through the eyes of those who lived it..... THen the link near the top is to their publisher called ibis Communications. ...That link goes here....Ibis Communications, Inc.... A brief from that page.....


So moving on...

My second link: Boston Tea Party Historical Society...Its to the boston tea party historical society.... yeah I would call them experts.... Their about us page is linked at the top it says "about" on the upper tab... the link ...Boston Tea Party Historical Society ... And a brief from that page...

About this Website
The Boston Tea Party Historical Society is a non-profit educational and cultural organization established to preserve and share the Tea Party history. The Society collects and tells the story of the B.T.P. through an interactive website and publishing. We also occasionally debunk popular myths about the famous destruction of tea in Boston Harbor.

We hope to engage the public with the excitement of discovery, inspire people with new perspectives on the past, and illuminate the relevance of history in our lives today.

Dude I am two for two now.... So far it looks like you just lied your ass off.... Moving on..

My third link: Boston Tea Party Ship & Museum..the site is to the Boston tea party ship and museum.... yeah another of what I would consider an expert on this subject.... ya see douchebag, their description is in the title... yeah, its a website for the people renovating the ship and creating the museum... THey are renovating and they tell you so flat out in the page. BUt if you look and follow the obvious links, you find out quite easily what they are all about... their parent company is "Historic tours of America... and in the renovation overview of the ship and museum site it says the following....

It is the goal of Historic Tours of America® to immerse Boston residents, heritage visitors, and students in the historical experiences and important events of and around December 16th 1773, to tell the stories of the participating men and their families, and to reinforce the way that the Boston Tea Party changed the lives of American’s forever. Indeed in bringing to life this historic event we feel that we have a responsibility and a commitment to historic preservation, heritage education, and the advancement of patriotic ideals.

So in a nutshell you are a lying little POS weasel...... Now go fuck yourself toad, you just showed what lowlife lying scumbag you truly are....

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[geauxtohell]

^ Post 276 quoted.

Sigh.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

 

[Foxfyre]

^ Post 276 quoted.

Sigh.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

Why would I want to do that with a post I didn't bother to read? And have no interest in reading now?

 

[geauxtohell]

^ Post 276 quoted.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

Why would I want to do that with a post I didn't bother to read? And have no interest in reading now?

Because gslack accused bf of doing something dishonest when he quoted him.

Bf merely wanted to point out that he hadn't and asked you for a favor.

 

[Bfgrn]

^ Post 276 quoted.

Sigh.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

Thanks geauxtohell...the same omission as my post, do you think I will get an apology from gslack? Do you think pigs can fly? ...

 

[Foxfyre]

Sorry guys. You'll have to find somebody else to participate in schoolyard mud slinging sessions. If ya'll enjoy that sort of thing okay, but they frankly bore me out of my mind and I simply don't want to expend the time or energy. Thanks for understanding.

 

[geauxtohell]

^ Post 276 quoted.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

Thanks geauxtohell...the same omission as my post, do you think I will get an apology from gslack? Do you think pigs can fly? ...

He won't apologize. He didn't apologize to me (despite prattling on about my character) about a falsehood he stated about me (that I told him three separate times in two separate threads that I was a med student) when I had never told him I was a med student. He just brushed it off. So he demands the highest of integrity from other posters and brushes off any facts that he might be operating in bad faith. That seems to be the way he rolls.

BTW, now we will be accused of being in collusion and/or sock-puppetry.

 

[geauxtohell]

Sorry guys. You'll have to find somebody else to participate in schoolyard mud slinging sessions. If ya'll enjoy that sort of thing okay, but they frankly bore me out of my mind and I simply don't want to expend the time or energy. Thanks for understanding.

Like I said, you are honest enough to see what the common denominator is here and it types in big font.

 

[Foxfyre]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I still don't want to get caught up in anybody's cat fight.

 

[geauxtohell]

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I still don't want to get caught up in anybody's cat fight.

I don't blame you for that. I had actually un-subscribed to this thread to keep it from getting "de-railed" at your request.

I came back and, lo and behold, the thread is derailed again.

I can only be blamed for shenanigans when I was actually present when they occurred.

 

[gslack]

The most unbelievable display of immaturity in this forum since HUGGY.......HAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA!

Geaxtohell and Bfgrn .... tell me again how you don't work together.... You two fucking idiots just sat here in several posts defending one another and taking turns badgering me and derailing this thread, and then have the unmitigated gall to beg someone else to take your side????

HAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Fuck you both you two little whiny punk bitches LOL..OMG....

its my thread douchebag... I started it, I set the topic. Get it? yeah so how can I be the person derailing my own thread?????

You two douchebags crack me up... From your incessant crying and whining to your begging others to believe your bullshit..... Seriously, you two need a life.....LOL

 

[geauxtohell]

The most unbelievable display of immaturity in this forum since HUGGY.......HAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA!

Geaxtohell and Bfgrn .... tell me again how you don't work together.... You two fucking idiots just sat here in several posts defending one another and taking turns badgering me and derailing this thread, and then have the unmitigated gall to beg someone else to take your side????

HAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Fuck you both you two little whiny punk bitches LOL..OMG....

its my thread douchebag... I started it, I set the topic. Get it? yeah so how can I be the person derailing my own thread?????

You two douchebags crack me up... From your incessant crying and whining to your begging others to believe your bullshit..... Seriously, you two need a life.....LOL

Yeah slacker, you are the sane one here. It's the rest of the world that is crazy.

At any rate, I'll go ahead and un-subscribe now before I derail your thread anymore than you have already done so.

Oh that's right, since you started the thread it's not "de-railing" it.

You are never the problem. It's always everyone else.

Whatever.