Why the tea party movement is so frightening...

[Bfgrn]

And WTH difference does it make what they protested for specifically? Seriously whether it was corporate tax cuts supported by the crown, or direct crown tax by proxy using the east india company makes no difference they felt it unfair and protested it. How the hell you can make this argument is beyond me....

And more importantly I would like some historical evidence of that claim.... Really....

Try and read something accurate and historical and not liberal slanted once in a while....

The Boston Tea Party, 1773



Want another reference?

Boston Tea Party Historical Society

Boston Tea Party Ship & Museum

This ignorant liberal talking point posting style of yours is getting old now.... You just posted a revisionist version of what happened and thats undeniable...

The tea party was caused by quite a few things, and one of the main things was the following...



Stop citing pundits and calling it factual man..its old now...

Are you trying to PROVE you are the most obtuse pea brain on this planet?

'something accurate and historical and not liberal slanted once in a while'... from WHOM? A marketing firm? Your posted has no author. The site has no information or even an 'About' tab.

'This ignorant liberal talking point' and 'a revisionist version of what happened'... you mean from a 'liberal' like Bruce Bartlett, who was a domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan and was a Treasury official under President George H.W. Bush???

Clearly, your brain is of the right wing type from birth, totally incapable of comprehension or conceptualization.

A 'word' bound right wing pea brain...

BTW, Thom Hartmann's reference..."Retrospect of the Boston Tea Party with a Memoir of George R.T. Hewes, a Survivor of the Little Band of Patriots Who Drowned the Tea in Boston Harbor in 1773,"

Which link are you referring to moron I gave you 3 of them..

First link: The Boston Tea Party, 1773 Their about us page is reached from a link on their homepage... Here ..EyeWitness to History - history through the eyes of those who lived it..... THen the link near the top is to their publisher called ibis Communications. ...That link goes here....Ibis Communications, Inc.... A brief from that page.....


So moving on...

My second link: Boston Tea Party Historical Society...Its to the boston tea party historical society.... yeah I would call them experts.... Their about us page is linked at the top it says "about" on the upper tab... the link ...Boston Tea Party Historical Society ... And a brief from that page...

About this Website
The Boston Tea Party Historical Society is a non-profit educational and cultural organization established to preserve and share the Tea Party history. The Society collects and tells the story of the B.T.P. through an interactive website and publishing. We also occasionally debunk popular myths about the famous destruction of tea in Boston Harbor.

We hope to engage the public with the excitement of discovery, inspire people with new perspectives on the past, and illuminate the relevance of history in our lives today.

Dude I am two for two now.... So far it looks like you just lied your ass off.... Moving on..

My third link: Boston Tea Party Ship & Museum..the site is to the Boston tea party ship and museum.... yeah another of what I would consider an expert on this subject.... ya see douchebag, their description is in the title... yeah, its a website for the people renovating the ship and creating the museum... THey are renovating and they tell you so flat out in the page. BUt if you look and follow the obvious links, you find out quite easily what they are all about... their parent company is "Historic tours of America... and in the renovation overview of the ship and museum site it says the following....

It is the goal of Historic Tours of America® to immerse Boston residents, heritage visitors, and students in the historical experiences and important events of and around December 16th 1773, to tell the stories of the participating men and their families, and to reinforce the way that the Boston Tea Party changed the lives of American’s forever. Indeed in bringing to life this historic event we feel that we have a responsibility and a commitment to historic preservation, heritage education, and the advancement of patriotic ideals.

So in a nutshell you are a lying little POS weasel...... Now go fuck yourself toad, you just showed what lowlife lying scumbag you truly are....

ALL I hit was the Quote button...

 

[Foxfyre]

Sigh.

 

[gslack]

Whatever pal...... I got my entire post to show, but somehow you had trouble with it... Never had a quote selectively drop sections before, especially not the sections I was going to respond to directly... I would have checked that before running my mouth about that section in particular... Especially if I was going to try and use another site to dismiss it.....

Fuck you pal, you are done....

 

[gslack]

Sigh.

Sorry fox, I was hoping to have legitimate discourse on this too but evidently I have to deal with with liars, dipshits, and weasels who wish to confound the thread.. This is not a first for these two assholes, nor is it a first for their ilk..... Everytime someone gives a thoughtful post or shows some cognitive reason, tools like this have to come and try to make it impossible..

 

[Bfgrn]

Sigh.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

 

[bodecea]

Sigh.

Sorry fox, I was hoping to have legitimate discourse on this too but evidently I have to deal with with liars, dipshits, and weasels who wish to confound the thread.. This is not a first for these two assholes, nor is it a first for their ilk..... Everytime someone gives a thoughtful post or shows some cognitive reason, tools like this have to come and try to make it impossible..

Are you a member of the Tea Party?

 

[gslack]

Sigh.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

AWWW don't cry tool... Even IF it cut it out on its own, you chose that part to try and disprove.... Coincidence???? yeah right...... You are a dipshit and you insulted everyone with a clear point to make here... So go take a hike fool....

 

[gslack]

Sigh.

Sorry fox, I was hoping to have legitimate discourse on this too but evidently I have to deal with with liars, dipshits, and weasels who wish to confound the thread.. This is not a first for these two assholes, nor is it a first for their ilk..... Everytime someone gives a thoughtful post or shows some cognitive reason, tools like this have to come and try to make it impossible..

Are you a member of the Tea Party?

You don't get it, this isn't about political parties.... I know its difficult to grasp that someone may not be a polarized thinker, and some of us may decide to not follow a political party agenda, but please try and understand this fact...

 

[Foxfyre]

Sorry fox, I was hoping to have legitimate discourse on this too but evidently I have to deal with with liars, dipshits, and weasels who wish to confound the thread.. This is not a first for these two assholes, nor is it a first for their ilk..... Everytime someone gives a thoughtful post or shows some cognitive reason, tools like this have to come and try to make it impossible..

Are you a member of the Tea Party?

You don't get it, this isn't about political parties.... I know its difficult to grasp that someone may not be a polarized thinker, and some of us may decide to not follow a political party agenda, but please try and understand this fact...

That's the whole beauty of the Tea Parties. They are not political parties but peaceful acivist groups with a mostly clear vision of what they want accomplished. Locally, I suspect registered Republicans have been significantly outnumbered by Democrats and Independents. There is no way to know for sure since we didn't ask and didn't care about political party affiliation at our gatherings. I do know that the lay organizers of the rallies included Democrats and Independents.

But there is no 'membership' of the Tea Parties per se. They are simply people who agree on what should be done to get this country back on track.

And again, I think the reason some fear them, and are doing their damndest to derail or deflect the discussion about that, is because they know deep down that the Tea Partiers are right. Which of course would make their heroes in the wrong. And that's a bitter pill for many to swallow.

 

[gslack]

Are you a member of the Tea Party?

You don't get it, this isn't about political parties.... I know its difficult to grasp that someone may not be a polarized thinker, and some of us may decide to not follow a political party agenda, but please try and understand this fact...

That's the whole beauty of the Tea Parties. They are not political parties but peaceful acivist groups with a mostly clear vision of what they want accomplished. Locally, I suspect registered Republicans have been significantly outnumbered by Democrats and Independents. There is no way to know for sure since we didn't ask and didn't care about political party affiliation at our gatherings. I do know that the lay organizers of the rallies included Democrats and Independents.

But there is no 'membership' of the Tea Parties per se. They are simply people who agree on what should be done to get this country back on track.

And again, I think the reason some fear them, and are doing their damndest to derail or deflect the discussion about that, is because they know deep down that the Tea Partiers are right. Which of course would make their heroes in the wrong. And that's a bitter pill for many to swallow.

nearly the same here as far as affiliation... This is not about party affiliation, its about people being sick and tired of placating politicians who repeatedly lie to them..

 

[Foxfyre]

You don't get it, this isn't about political parties.... I know its difficult to grasp that someone may not be a polarized thinker, and some of us may decide to not follow a political party agenda, but please try and understand this fact...

That's the whole beauty of the Tea Parties. They are not political parties but peaceful acivist groups with a mostly clear vision of what they want accomplished. Locally, I suspect registered Republicans have been significantly outnumbered by Democrats and Independents. There is no way to know for sure since we didn't ask and didn't care about political party affiliation at our gatherings. I do know that the lay organizers of the rallies included Democrats and Independents.

But there is no 'membership' of the Tea Parties per se. They are simply people who agree on what should be done to get this country back on track.

And again, I think the reason some fear them, and are doing their damndest to derail or deflect the discussion about that, is because they know deep down that the Tea Partiers are right. Which of course would make their heroes in the wrong. And that's a bitter pill for many to swallow.

nearly the same here as far as affiliation... This is not about party affiliation, its about people being sick and tired of placating politicians who repeatedly lie to them..

Well there is that too. But for most of the folks here, I think it is just disgust with both Republicans and Democrats and everything in between who seem to have forgotten why they are in leadership. They seem oblivious to what is happening around them and continue doing business as usual, which in Washington has become pretty darn corrupt. They aren't tending to business but keep digging us into a deeper and deeper hole. Nor do they have their priorities straight. Nor do they seem to be hearing what we the people are saying to them.

It was a different situation back in 1773, but the dynamics were much the same. Those in government had become more and more corrupt and the people finally simply had enough. So the first Tea Party happened. It was not civil disobedience as much as a statement that the people were mad as hell and they weren't going to take it any more. Those who wanted to maintain the status quo and didn't want to rock the boat were as frightened of or disgusted with those Tea Partiers as are those who want to maintain the status quo and don't want to rock the boat now and are frightened by the Tea Partiers now.

But those first Tea Partiers gave us the greatest nation the world has ever known.

The present Tea Partiers intend to restore that nation.

We can only hope they will succeed.

 

[Bfgrn]

Sigh.

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

AWWW don't cry tool... Even IF it cut it out on its own, you chose that part to try and disprove.... Coincidence???? yeah right...... You are a dipshit and you insulted everyone with a clear point to make here... So go take a hike fool....

Coincidence???? HOW would I know it would cut that part out before I posted it? I didn't even notice it until you falsely accused me of cutting it out. AND, it wasn't my focus because there is nothing to disprove. The sites I provided and you followed up with provide the same narrative.

 

[Foxfyre]

Bfgm, would it be possible....just a teeny bit possible.....for you to read the OP again and focus on that? I think many would sooooo much appreciate that. Thanking you in advance.

 

[Bfgrn]

Bfgm, would it be possible....just a teeny bit possible.....for you to read the OP again and focus on that? I think many would sooooo much appreciate that. Thanking you in advance.

I DID...you just can't accept that I vehemently disagree with the OP, with your utopian, naive vision of the teabaggers and that I have posted pertinent information you choose to ignore.

... the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER have a racist and xenophobe like Tom Tancredo as a key speaker at their convention.

And, the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER call for dismantling government social programs, while BEING on the public dole.

The teabaggers are just a bunch of whiners that can't accept the will of the people.

 

[Foxfyre]

Bfgm, would it be possible....just a teeny bit possible.....for you to read the OP again and focus on that? I think many would sooooo much appreciate that. Thanking you in advance.

I DID...you just can't accept that I vehemently disagree with the OP, with your utopian, naive vision of the teabaggers and that I have posted pertinent information you choose to ignore.

... the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER have a racist and xenophobe like Tom Tancredo as a key speaker at their convention.

And, the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER call for dismantling government social programs, while BEING on the public dole.

The teabaggers are just a bunch of whiners that can't accept the will of the people.

I contend that Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin would never have agreed to those social programs in the first place. All were pretty clear that they did not see it as the role of the Federal government to dispense charity or benevolence of any kind. In fact they prudently saw that as immoral, a corrupting force, and a danger to human freedoms. Which is pretty well what has happened once our government leaders presumed to ignore their wise counsel.

I suspect if we could bring those guys and their colleagues back now, they would assess the situation and begin the process of reversing the damage. They would understand that it would have to be done incrementally just as it has accrued to avoid causing indefensible pain and suffering to those the government has made dependent on government.

I think the Tea Partiers would support them whole heartedly in that process.

And back to the thesis of the thread, this would frighten you why?

 

[gslack]

Foxfire, would you please do me a favor? Go to post #276, hit the "Quote" button, type in at least one character at the bottom and hit "Submit Reply"

Thanks...

AWWW don't cry tool... Even IF it cut it out on its own, you chose that part to try and disprove.... Coincidence???? yeah right...... You are a dipshit and you insulted everyone with a clear point to make here... So go take a hike fool....

Coincidence???? HOW would I know it would cut that part out before I posted it? I didn't even notice it until you falsely accused me of cutting it out. AND, it wasn't my focus because there is nothing to disprove. The sites I provided and you followed up with provide the same narrative.

Dude you provided one site to my knowledge and it was to some OPED piece....

I provided THREE sites and all were non-partisan and all were educational or historical monument/factual based.... And ALL THREE of them YOU LIED about....

Also, you really should learn to read objectively and not subjectively... Your OPED you cited gives a simplistic, polarized/opinionated and twisted version of it. The author claimed it was about corporate welfare or some such similar nonsense. That is a mis-characterization and an deliberate one at that...

My first cited source said the following...

In May of 1773 Parliament concocted a clever plan. They gave the struggling East India Company a monopoly on the importation of tea to America. Additionally, Parliament reduced the duty the colonies would have to pay for the imported tea. The Americans would now get their tea at a cheaper price than ever before. However, if the colonies paid the duty tax on the imported tea they would be acknowledging Parliament's right to tax them. Tea was a staple of colonial life - it was assumed that the colonists would rather pay the tax than deny themselves the pleasure of a cup of tea.

The colonists were not fooled by Parliament's ploy. When the East India Company sent shipments of tea to Philadelphia and New York the ships were not allowed to land. In Charleston the tea-laden ships were permitted to dock but their cargo was consigned to a warehouse where it remained for three years until it was sold by patriots in order to help finance the revolution.

In Boston, the arrival of three tea ships ignited a furious reaction. The crisis came to a head on December 16, 1773 when as many as 7,000 agitated locals milled about the wharf where the ships were docked. A mass meeting at the Old South Meeting House that morning resolved that the tea ships should leave the harbor without payment of any duty. A committee was selected to take this message to the Customs House to force release of the ships out of the harbor. The Collector of Customs refused to allow the ships to leave without payment of the duty. Stalemate. The committee reported back to the mass meeting and a howl erupted from the meeting hall. It was now early evening and a group of about 200 men, some disguised as Indians, assembled on a near-by hill. Whopping war chants, the crowd marched two-by-two to the wharf, descended upon the three ships and dumped their offending cargos of tea into the harbor waters.

Most colonists applauded the action while the reaction in London was swift and vehement. In March 1774 Parliament passed the Intolerable Acts which among other measures closed the Port of Boston. The fuse that led directly to the explosion of American independence was lit.

Read the bolded part liar.... not the same thing at all IS IT.....Liar...

My other cited source said the following....

In 1773 the East India Company was one of the strongholds of British economy. Suddenly it found itself at odds with the American non-importation restrictions on tea and with a huge inventory it could not move. The company was not able to meet its payment on dividends and loans and was moving towards bankruptcy. Of course the British government was reluctant to let it happen from fear that this may disrupt financial markets. As an alternative to a direct loan the Ministry decided to allow the company to send tea to America without paying an export duty.

Again NOT the same thing YOU OPED piece claimed at all.. IS IT....

Now I am done dealing with your childish ramblings and bullshit to derail this thread.... you lied, you got caught, and then you tried to lie by omitting some of my post either by deliberate act or a convenient action by you to use what happened to cover it up. Either way it was dishonest to try and use a part removed from my quote to try and make a claim against it.....

Grow up, you got caught thinking you know everything and coming up short once again... If you cannot debate the thread fairly and without badgering, crying, and confounding it under inconsequential side quibbling, then you already failed....

 

[gslack]

Bfgm, would it be possible....just a teeny bit possible.....for you to read the OP again and focus on that? I think many would sooooo much appreciate that. Thanking you in advance.

I DID...you just can't accept that I vehemently disagree with the OP, with your utopian, naive vision of the teabaggers and that I have posted pertinent information you choose to ignore.

... the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER have a racist and xenophobe like Tom Tancredo as a key speaker at their convention.

And, the Jeffersons, Adams, and Franklins would NEVER call for dismantling government social programs, while BEING on the public dole.

The teabaggers are just a bunch of whiners that can't accept the will of the people.

Dude you beat all I have seen on here.... Seriously, you insulted her repeatedly, then have the nerve to beg her t help you, only to try and lie about what you have done in this thread so far.... WTF dude, grow up!

And BTW delusional man, Jefferson had slaves... Was he a saint? No.... Was he a devil? Not compared to many many others at that time... He was a product of the times and culture prevalent at those times. Good or bad he was not so unique in his duality of feeling on way yet living another... So the race argument you just tried to make is just plain ignorant of reality of the times....

And you can no sooner condemn all tea party attendees based one speaker, as you can condemn all white people for one person... All of your rhetoric comes straight from liberal media, so you can now officially kiss both cheeks of my ass...

 

[LANMaster]

In the context of the original 'tea partiers', our founding fathers, today's teabaggers would be diametrically opposed to our founders. The bag brains would be standing WITH, not against the British East India Company.

I disagree.

The real Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the British East India Company pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.

You are mistaken. The Colonists couldn't care less what taxes that the BEI Co paid to England. It was the taxes on the Colonists by K.George that got the Colonists all peeved. And the fact that the BEI Co. was willing to leapfrog taxes onto the Colonists, which is why the Colonists took the over-taxation out on the BEI Co to begin with.

Your history is utterly askew. Where do you get your information?

Oh .... wait .... you get your information from sources such as you provided below. That explains your mis-information .... to a point.

You teabaggers are the biggest pea brains on the planet.

The Truth About the Tea Party (the Original One)
by Bruce Bartlett

Bruce Bartlett was a domestic policy adviser to President Ronald Reagan and was a Treasury official under President George H.W. Bush.


The Real Boston Tea Party was an Anti-Corporate Revolt
by Thom Hartmann

Balderdash. You, sir, are a liar. Or at the very least, you support liars such asd found at every oine of the above links.



Liberals are inherently dishonest, as proven by your post ... sparkling tiara of expansive woeful ignorance.

 

[LANMaster]

Quick, somebody feel embarassed for Bfgrn.

I can't because I like it when he exposes his inner tard.

It is difficult to muster up pity for someone who is voluntarily ignorant.

So many people are simply liberal because they were raised to be ignorant ..... I feel sorry for them, and hope to educate them on the realities of facts, especially history.
Others choose ignorance as a lifestyle and must build their foundation of ignorance on sources like commondreams.

Hard to feel sorry for such intentional poisoning.

 

[Ava]

The Tea Party is so frightening, because we are civilized and growing....