Why the Sudden Doubts about the Verdict?

So you don’t believe in “innocent until proven guilty?”

Or just not for Trump?

If he’s not guilty, how is that different from being innocent?

What does it mean that you “accept that,” if you still think Trump committed a crime?
That come up with a question like that draws attention to your feebleness at reasoning.

It's the law. Look it up. I am done with this with you. No, not "just once more," Morty.
 
That come up with a question like that draws attention to your feebleness at reasoning.

It's the law. Look it up. I am done with this with you. No, not "just once more," Morty.
So, you hate the American tradition of innocent until proven guilty and beyond a reasonable doubt?

What country’s policies should we adopt instead?
 
So, you hate the American tradition of innocent until proven guilty and beyond a reasonable doubt? What country’s policies should we adopt instead?
You can't reason if this is your finding. I am fine with the trial in NYC, and I will accept the verdict. I hope you are committed to that as well.
 
Sorry Care felony means more than a year in jail. Your team charged him with 34 felony counts. Your team wants to put the former President in prison literally for the rest of his life.
For the crimes he is charged with, there is no required minimum prison sentence. No, Rawley....prison time for this lower classification of felony, is not mandatory. Probation and/or fines is sufficient punishment under the law.

The judge could send him to serve time behind bars, but it is not mandatory for the judge to do so, under the law he has other options.

And since Merchan has no desire to put the former President behind bars, as the judge has stated in Trump's contempt of court gag orders that Trump broke, he likely will only sentence him to probation is my solid, thought out, prediction....IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY by the jury.
 
For the crimes he is charged with, there is no required minimum prison sentence. No, Rawley....prison time for this lower classification of felony, is not mandatory. Probation and/or fines is sufficient punishment under the law.

The judge could send him to serve time behind bars, but it is not mandatory for the judge to do so, under the law he has other options.

And since Merchan has no desire to put the former President behind bars, as the judge has stated in Trump's contempt of court gag orders that Trump broke, he likely will only sentence him to probation is my solid, thought out, prediction....IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY by the jury.

And as icing on the cake...

..... ..... ..... The DEM Governor of New York should issue a clemency degree since the convicted felon would be a parties candidate for federal office. That way it doesn't interfere with campaigning. A noble gesture by the NY Governor. ;)

Clemency is different than a pardon. With a pardon the crime is basically wiped from the books. With clemency the crime conviction stands, but the punishment is removed.

Salt in the wound if you will.

WW
 
So you don’t believe in “innocent until proven guilty?”

Or just not for Trump?

If he’s not guilty, how is that different from being innocent?

What does it mean that you “accept that,” if you still think Trump committed a crime?
What not guilty means.... is the State, did not provide the jury 'beyond a reasonable doubt' evidence to convict.

It doesn't necessarily mean the defendant is innocent, and that is why it gives not guilty as a verdict option instead of innocent.

As mentioned before, OJ was found not guilty, because the jury believed the State did not provide in their opinion, beyond a reasonable doubt, evidence... they had doubt.

That not guilty verdict, never meant he was innocent.
 
What not guilty means.... is the State, did not provide the jury 'beyond a reasonable doubt' evidence to convict.

It doesn't necessarily mean the defendant is innocent, and that is why it gives not guilty as a verdict option instead of innocent.

As mentioned before, OJ was found not guilty, because the jury believed the State did not provide in their opinion, beyond a reasonable doubt, evidence... they had doubt.

That not guilty verdict, never meant he was innocent.
So will you accept that Trump is not guilty, if the jury so finds?

And as icing on the cake...

..... ..... ..... The DEM Governor of New York should issue a clemency degree since the convicted felon would be a parties candidate for federal office. That way it doesn't interfere with campaigning. A noble gesture by the NY Governor. ;)

Clemency is different than a pardon. With a pardon the crime is basically wiped from the books. With clemency the crime conviction stands, but the punishment is removed.

Salt in the wound if you will.

WW
This whole idea you folks are suddenly talking about of Trump NOT going to prison after being convicted of 34 felonies is very telling. First you show doubts about the verdict, and now you have doubts about whether he should be punished for the crimes you were so sure he was guilty of only a few weeks ago.

What happened your frequent all-caps declaration that "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW?"

All this time, you have been like the proverbial dogs chasing the cars, with no idea of what you would do with it if you caught it.

Now you're sending aging has-been "movie stars?" You should have stuck with aging has-been porn stars as the face of you Justice System Weaponization movement. At this point, I'm sure Stormy has more fans for her screen work than Robert Dinero.
 
So will you accept that Trump is not guilty, if the jury so finds?


This whole idea you folks are suddenly talking about of Trump NOT going to prison after being convicted of 34 felonies is very telling. First you show doubts about the verdict, and now you have doubts about whether he should be punished for the crimes you were so sure he was guilty of only a few weeks ago.

What happened your frequent all-caps declaration that "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW?"

All this time, you have been like the proverbial dogs chasing the cars, with no idea of what you would do with it if you caught it.

Now you're sending aging has-been "movie stars?" You should have stuck with aging has-been porn stars as the face of you Justice System Weaponization movement. At this point, I'm sure Stormy has more fans for her screen work than Robert Dinero.
Probation and fines is considered punishment. House arrest is also considered punishment. Restitution is considered punishment, too.
 
Probation and fines is considered punishment. House arrest is also considered punishment. Restitution is considered punishment, too.
Who would he pay restitution to?

The mystery person that he intended to defraud?

Did Bragg or Colangelo ever say who that was?
 
A hung jury, is disappointing imo, because there is no verdict of not guilty, or guilty....there is no resolve.
Sure there is.

It is resolved that the prosecutors case was not enought to convince a jury when the judge allowed jurors who openly stated that they did not like Trump.

If he he found not guilty, then the jury of 12 believed the State did not provide evidence to find him guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt.
Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty?
 
For the crimes he is charged with, there is no required minimum prison sentence. No, Rawley....prison time for this lower classification of felony, is not mandatory. Probation and/or fines is sufficient punishment under the law.

The judge could send him to serve time behind bars, but it is not mandatory for the judge to do so, under the law he has other options.

And since Merchan has no desire to put the former President behind bars, as the judge has stated in Trump's contempt of court gag orders that Trump broke, he likely will only sentence him to probation is my solid, thought out, prediction....IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY by the jury.
I'll repeat, third and last time. Your team wants Trump to die in prison.

And as we've seen, Merchan is a dedicated Trump hater to whom the law has no meaning and he would have no problem doing so.
 
Sure there is.

It is resolved that the prosecutors case was not enought to convince a jury when the judge allowed jurors who openly stated that they did not like Trump.


Do you believe in innocent until proven guilty?
In words, yes.

But I pretty much believed OJ was guilty from the white SUV ride....
 
I'll repeat, third and last time. Your team wants Trump to die in prison.

And as we've seen, Merchan is a dedicated Trump hater to whom the law has no meaning and he would have no problem doing so.

:lol:
No, we don't! That is an extreme position for you to take... off of a handful at most posters on this site that are very vocal.... Most of us do not want to see him rot in prison till death, for this New York State case....!
 
I'll repeat, third and last time. Your team wants Trump to die in prison.

And as we've seen, Merchan is a dedicated Trump hater to whom the law has no meaning and he would have no problem doing so.
And Merchan has given every indication that he is NOT thrilled with sending him to prison either....
 
In words, yes.
Oh, good.

So if the jury says that they prosecution did not prove their case, then you will come on this thread and say "Trump is innocent?"
But I pretty much believed OJ was guilty from the white SUV ride....
Me too.

That's why I didn't "accept the verdict."

But, I dint blame the jury, nor OJ's lawyers. I blamed investigators, the incompetent prosecution, and the Chief of the LA police for that fiasco that let an obviously guilty murderer go free.

That's the difference between OJ and Trump. Your gaslighting friends never believed that Trump had committed a crime because Michael Cohen said he did. They're not that stupid. You jumped on their bandwagon and now that you're about to get your comeupance, you want to mitigate the damages with this fake "I'll accept the verdict" nonesense.
 

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