Zone1 Why the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are heretical

[Midnight FM]

To my knowledge, these churches claim that the Bible is not for private interpretation, and assert themselves as the sole authority to interpret scripture.

However, if one reads the Bible, we can see that this, and many of their teachings are heretical, and have no basis in Christ.

Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. And that the Kingdom of God is not an outwardly kingdom, such as a church, but an inward one.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches likely invented these teachings as a way of acquiring money from and political power over people. Thankfully, the Protestant Reformation and the advent of the printing press helped to put an end to this, and allowed people to read and interpret the Bible in their own languages.

Based on this, I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are not Christian. They're merely institutions for acquiring money and political power, and were considered the equivalent of a megacorporation in the Middle Ages.

 

[Mashmont]

To my knowledge, these churches claim that the Bible is not for private interpretation, and assert themselves as the sole authority to interpret scripture.

However, if one reads the Bible, we can see that this, and many of their teachings are heretical, and have no basis in Christ.

Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. And that the Kingdom of God is not an outwardly kingdom, such as a church, but an inward one.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches likely invented these teachings as a way of acquiring money from and political power over people. Thankfully, the Protestant Reformation and the advent of the printing press helped to put an end to this, and allowed people to read and interpret the Bible in their own languages.

Based on this, I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are not Christian. They're merely institutions for acquiring money and political power, and were considered the equivalent of a megacorporation in the Middle Ages.

Lifelong Catholic here, and I've never been personally asked for money by the Church.

Every founder of a Protestant sect changed the rules of divorce so that they could marry. They relaxed the rules for personal selfish reasons. So it wasn't about so-called reforming abuses in the Catholic Church; it was about wholesale changes to allow their founders to do whatever they wanted. That should be the first clue for Protestants that their Churches were built on sand foundations. Founded by men. The RCC was founded by Jesus Christ.

 

[Midnight FM]

Lifelong Catholic here, and I've never been personally asked for money by the Church.

Every founder of a Protestant sect changed the rules of divorce so that they could marry. They relaxed the rules for personal selfish reasons.

There's nothing in the Bible that says that clergy can't marry. Paul said that it may be better off not to marry, but that was it.

So it wasn't about so-called reforming abuses in the Catholic Church; it was about wholesale changes to allow their founders to do whatever they wanted. That should be the first clue for Protestants that their Churches were built on sand foundations.

Oh wow, "do whatever they wanted" as in getting married? Such a bad thing.

 

[Mashmont]

Oh wow, "do whatever they wanted" as in getting married? Such a bad thing.

Interesting how every rule was relaxed. None was made tougher. Founded by mortal men. Built on sand. Destined to fail.

 

[Midnight FM]

Interesting how every rule was relaxed. None was made tougher. Founded by mortal men. Built on sand. Destined to fail.

Given that many, if not most, of the Catholic Church's rules were made up, likely for political or economic reasons, and have no basis in the Bible, that seems to be the logical solution.

Many of Christ's teachings were about condemnation of the excessive, legalistic adherence to rules and traditions by the Pharisees.

Simply put, the Catholic Church is not of Christ. It's a legalistic construct of man.

 

[Mashmont]

Given that many, if not most, of the Catholic Church's rules were made up, likely for political or economic reasons, and have no basis in the Bible, that seems to be the logical solution.

Many of Christ's teachings were about condemnation of the excessive, legalistic adherence to rules and traditions by the Pharisees.

Simply put, the Catholic Church is not of Christ. It's a legalistic construct of man.

RCC traced back to Jesus Christ. Protestant faiths were started by fallible mortal men in the 1500's for selfish reasons.

 

[Midnight FM]

RCC traced back to Jesus Christ.

No, it actually came long after Christ had departed.

If one reads the Gospel, they can see that the Church's teachings and practices have no relation to that of Christ or any later New Testament text. They were either made up entirely, or based on cherry-picked bits taken out of context.

Protestant faiths were started by fallible mortal men for selfish reasons.

Not at all. They were about abolishing the heresies and corruption of the Medieval Church, such as their charging people of money to have their sins forgiven.

 

[Mashmont]

Not at all. They were about abolishing the heresies and corruption of the Medieval Church, such as their charging people of money to have their sins forgiven.

But notice they changed all the rules so they could do whatever they wanted. They relaxed the rules. That's not reform.

 

[GLASNOST]

Why the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are heretical.​

Of course they are. They preach three gods, not one.

I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are ..... merely institutions for acquiring money and political power.​

All Christian beliefs are cults, blasphemous break-aways from Judaism.

 

[Zebra]

Of course they are. They preach three gods, not one.

All Christian beliefs are cults, blasphemous break-aways from Judaism.

who told you so?

 

[ding]

All Christian beliefs are cults, blasphemous break-aways from Judaism.

Technically, all religions are cults. Even Judaism.

 

[ding]

To my knowledge, these churches claim that the Bible is not for private interpretation, and assert themselves as the sole authority to interpret scripture.

However, if one reads the Bible, we can see that this, and many of their teachings are heretical, and have no basis in Christ.

Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. And that the Kingdom of God is not an outwardly kingdom, such as a church, but an inward one.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches likely invented these teachings as a way of acquiring money from and political power over people. Thankfully, the Protestant Reformation and the advent of the printing press helped to put an end to this, and allowed people to read and interpret the Bible in their own languages.

Based on this, I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are not Christian. They're merely institutions for acquiring money and political power, and were considered the equivalent of a megacorporation in the Middle Ages.

Catholics disagree. Personally, I’m glad you aren’t one.

 

[TNHarley]

The catholic church is a Roman religion. Rome made it. Not Jesus.

 

[GLASNOST]

Of course they are. They preach three gods, not one.

All Christian beliefs are cults, blasphemous break-aways from Judaism.

who told you so?

Who told me Christiniaty believes in three gods? Christianity does.
Who told me Christianity is a cult, a blasphemous break-away from Judaism? The story of Jesus does.

 

[alang1216]

To my knowledge, these churches claim that the Bible is not for private interpretation, and assert themselves as the sole authority to interpret scripture.

However, if one reads the Bible, we can see that this, and many of their teachings are heretical, and have no basis in Christ.

Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. And that the Kingdom of God is not an outwardly kingdom, such as a church, but an inward one.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches likely invented these teachings as a way of acquiring money from and political power over people. Thankfully, the Protestant Reformation and the advent of the printing press helped to put an end to this, and allowed people to read and interpret the Bible in their own languages.

Based on this, I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are not Christian. They're merely institutions for acquiring money and political power, and were considered the equivalent of a megacorporation in the Middle Ages.

No one believes their religion is heretical but likely they believes every other religion is, if not heretical, then misinformed. You are in good company.

 

[Meriweather]

To my knowledge, these churches claim that the Bible is not for private interpretation, and assert themselves as the sole authority to interpret scripture.

What do you mean by "private interpretation"?

The Bible was written in a number of languages, and translated into over three thousand different languages. Further, languages evolve and the meanings of words change over time. Therefore, the Church authentically defines the meaning of scripture (back to its original words and definitions) while encouraging everyone to explore the meaning of scripture--especially as it relates to one's own experiences and life. Should one's own private explorations and studies contradict the authoritative meaning of a passage--more study, not less, is encouraged.

However, if one reads the Bible, we can see that this, and many of their teachings are heretical, and have no basis in Christ.

Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. And that the Kingdom of God is not an outwardly kingdom, such as a church, but an inward one.

It helps to know,specifically, which Catholic/Orthodox teachings you claim are heretical?

Christ also clearly established a Church. Through what other means do you meet Christ--and are baptized into his kingdom? Are you imagining a person can read a Bible, come to his/her own private interpretation of the Bible, and then baptize him/herself on their own?

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches likely invented these teachings as a way of acquiring money from and political power over people. Thankfully, the Protestant Reformation and the advent of the printing press helped to put an end to this, and allowed people to read and interpret the Bible in their own languages.

No, the Church "likely" did nothing of the sort. What political power are you thinking the Church has?

Based on this, I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are not Christian. They're merely institutions for acquiring money and political power, and were considered the equivalent of a megacorporation in the Middle Ages.

The purpose of the Catholic/Orthodox Church is to proclaim the Gospel and draw people to Christ. What political power do you see the Church exercising?

 

[forkintheroad7]

There's nothing in the Bible that says that clergy can't marry. Paul said that it may be better off not to marry, but that was it.


Oh wow, "do whatever they wanted" as in getting married? Such a bad thing.

You should be very careful. You could, wittingly or otherwise, be rejecting the Church Christ founded, and I say you are.

Who am I, you may ask?

I have studied Catholicism in depth. I have also been Catholic all my life (not a "new church Catholic" but a real one. I reject Vatican II, etc...).

I have read the entire Bible twice through and it is VERY Catholic.

As you may know, God was very specific in the days of Moses when he set up the way HE wanted humans to worship Him. The details are in the Old Testament books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus and etc... When Aaron's sons offered up a sacrifice improperly, they were taken out of this world.. They offered, as it was called, "strange fire." Aaron was heartbroken over the loss.

Wow, capital punishment for not worshipping properly.... whoda thunk it?

But then maybe protestants don't accept those parts of the Bible...?

Then there's the story of Oza who touched the Ark of the Covenant when only the Levite PRIESTS were supposed to touch it...

same thing:

death sentence

 

[forkintheroad7]

The catholic church is a Roman religion. Rome made it. Not Jesus.

not true. Study the Bible, study other history

study what you profess to know about so you can really know about it

 

[Mashmont]

No, it actually came long after Christ had departed.

If one reads the Gospel, they can see that the Church's teachings and practices have no relation to that of Christ or any later New Testament text. They were either made up entirely, or based on cherry-picked bits taken out of context.

No. Jesus conducted the First Mass at the Last Supper. Jesus also made St. Peter the first earthly leader aka pope.

Not at all. They were about abolishing the heresies and corruption of the Medieval Church, such as their charging people of money to have their sins forgiven.

That was the party line. Every one of these guys who started these religions wanted to get married. That's the tell. If you want to end abuses, end abuses, but you don't go and wholesale change the dogma to suit your personal whims.

 

[Foxfyre]

To my knowledge, these churches claim that the Bible is not for private interpretation, and assert themselves as the sole authority to interpret scripture.

However, if one reads the Bible, we can see that this, and many of their teachings are heretical, and have no basis in Christ.

Christ clearly says that people are saved through Him, not through a church. And that the Kingdom of God is not an outwardly kingdom, such as a church, but an inward one.

The Catholic and Orthodox Churches likely invented these teachings as a way of acquiring money from and political power over people. Thankfully, the Protestant Reformation and the advent of the printing press helped to put an end to this, and allowed people to read and interpret the Bible in their own languages.

Based on this, I would say that the Catholic and Orthodox churches are not Christian. They're merely institutions for acquiring money and political power, and were considered the equivalent of a megacorporation in the Middle Ages.

Who is qualified to say who is to be the whole authority of what any religious group teaches/believes?

It is probably in error to declare any Christian group 'heretical.' If Catholics believe the Church is the vehicle of salvation instituted by Christ and that they are that Church, who does that harm? I don't believe salvation is grounded in any specific Christian denomination but I am not harmed by what Catholics believe about that.

I know I am as qualified to read, understand, teach, preach the content of the Bible are are most Christians educated in Bible, but I do not consider myself the sole authority of how the Bible should be understood or interpreted. And it doesn't harm me at all if a Christian Group believes their clergy are more qualified to interpret the Bible than I am.

I am quite secure in believing their are many devout Catholics in Heaven and more more who will eventually be there. Also I believe the same about many devout Protestants.

I do not presume the knowledge to say who among us will or will not be there. But I have always joked about standing in line behind Mother Teresa at the pearly gates and being terrified at hearing St. Peter tell her she had not qualified for admittance.