Why socialism will always end up the same way

[TNHarley]

Government is social-ism (socialism). True free market Capitalism only exists in the third world since the fall of Mogadishu. And, Capitalism in the US "died in 1929" and was bailed out by FDR's brand of socialism.

Govt intervention causede the GD. Govt intervention is why it lasted so long. That isnt capitalism, burnout.
Artificial booms, Hoovers dumb ass intervened and pro longed the self fix to the market, FDR making hoovers mistakes worse etc
I dont think I have ever seen you say something, that made sense, as well as being correct.

It was Hoover's brand of socialism that turned our relatively third world economy into a first world economy.

Yes, he helped us out by prolonging the depression. Great post

It was the outright socialism of a wartime economy that overcame the depression and achieved full employment not free market Capitalism.

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It was not free market Capitalism that won WWII or achieved full employment.

"Free market capitalism" is a redundancy. Please use proper terminology. In this context, it matters a lot

lol. It didn't win WWII or achieve full employment.

What didnt?

 

[danielpalos]

There is no such thing as a free market since the fall of Mogadishu.

 

[occupied]

instead of the people who actually control the economy

The government? IE NOT Capitalism?
Do you understand now?

Not really. Just saying "The government" is not what you could call a theory. Besides, in a plutocracy like we have it's rather difficult to define where big business ends and the government begins.

If the govt controls the economy, it isnt capitalism. Which was my point.
I would lean towards corporatocracy, more than a plutocracy. But its definitely debatable

If the government could control the economy there would never be a crash ever. The problem here is that capitalism is never to blame for anything. That way not even the worst market crash is sufficient cause to un-rig anything. You can shift blame by saying it's not capitalism but it's the system we have and there does not seem to be a shortage of people defending it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

While all of us are taken with the happily ever after scenarios that make some fairy tales so popular we know that reality is not that way. No…reality is instead cruel, pragmatic and totally unaffected by preference. This is why socialism never works. The mainstream schools of thought that promote it are always depending upon the shame factor to help people ignore the harsh realities of proven existence. Whether you look to history or you simply look to your own neighborhood success in life depends on more than just a good feeling or the idea that everyone can succeed regardless of their abilities. It just isn’t true. There’s a reason why the top one percent is the top one percent….like it or not the numbers themselves bear witness to life’s realities. Anyone who doubts this has only to look at how effectively socialism creates a top one percent or even a top .1 percent more quickly and more profoundly than capitalism ever did or ever will.

Indeed the yearning for this mindless egalitarianism produces philosophy that borders on the ludicrous and élan moral that borders on extremism and the ultimate forms of societal intolerance. In effect you have humans taking to the street to protest reality…..the word retarded comes to mind but unfortunately it just doesn’t do the job. So each generation must have its Stalin or its Mao before it learns the lesson again and again and again. We cycle through each catastrophic morphing of the deadly philosophy before we bust back down to the inescapable reality that life is not necessarily fair, that not everyone can achieve levels of dominance like the top one percent does and that all of the reasons we offer to explain that sad collection of facts usually fall short of the simple truth that the pattern is inescapable and will never stop repeating.

JO

Honestly, which system on paper is fantastic? Socialism.

In the same breath, which system in reality never works and causes a greater level of misery? Socialism.

And who shares this misery? Everyone. And it makes you wonder, why are so many people gullible with Socialism?

 

[Captain Caveman]

instead of the people who actually control the economy

The government? IE NOT Capitalism?
Do you understand now?

Not really. Just saying "The government" is not what you could call a theory. Besides, in a plutocracy like we have it's rather difficult to define where big business ends and the government begins.

If the govt controls the economy, it isnt capitalism. Which was my point.
I would lean towards corporatocracy, more than a plutocracy. But its definitely debatable

If the government could control the economy there would never be a crash ever. The problem here is that capitalism is never to blame for anything. That way not even the worst market crash is sufficient cause to un-rig anything. You can shift blame by saying it's not capitalism but it's the system we have and there does not seem to be a shortage of people defending it.

Ideally, the economy ticks along and governments are there to tweak it via fiscal and monetary policies to keep it on the straight and narrow. Unfortunately, all too often, governments overstep their remit and interfere with the public's lives with overreach.

 

[occupied]

instead of the people who actually control the economy

The government? IE NOT Capitalism?
Do you understand now?

Not really. Just saying "The government" is not what you could call a theory. Besides, in a plutocracy like we have it's rather difficult to define where big business ends and the government begins.

If the govt controls the economy, it isnt capitalism. Which was my point.
I would lean towards corporatocracy, more than a plutocracy. But its definitely debatable

If the government could control the economy there would never be a crash ever. The problem here is that capitalism is never to blame for anything. That way not even the worst market crash is sufficient cause to un-rig anything. You can shift blame by saying it's not capitalism but it's the system we have and there does not seem to be a shortage of people defending it.

Ideally, the economy ticks along and governments are there to tweak it via fiscal and monetary policies to keep it on the straight and narrow. Unfortunately, all too often, governments overstep their remit and interfere with the public's lives with overreach.

It's great that the investment class has such a handy scapegoat if their risky behavior with other people's money blows up in all our faces. They might even get a bailout from the very entity they get to blame. Pretty sweet.

 

[frigidweirdo]

While all of us are taken with the happily ever after scenarios that make some fairy tales so popular we know that reality is not that way. No…reality is instead cruel, pragmatic and totally unaffected by preference. This is why socialism never works. The mainstream schools of thought that promote it are always depending upon the shame factor to help people ignore the harsh realities of proven existence. Whether you look to history or you simply look to your own neighborhood success in life depends on more than just a good feeling or the idea that everyone can succeed regardless of their abilities. It just isn’t true. There’s a reason why the top one percent is the top one percent….like it or not the numbers themselves bear witness to life’s realities. Anyone who doubts this has only to look at how effectively socialism creates a top one percent or even a top .1 percent more quickly and more profoundly than capitalism ever did or ever will.

Indeed the yearning for this mindless egalitarianism produces philosophy that borders on the ludicrous and élan moral that borders on extremism and the ultimate forms of societal intolerance. In effect you have humans taking to the street to protest reality…..the word retarded comes to mind but unfortunately it just doesn’t do the job. So each generation must have its Stalin or its Mao before it learns the lesson again and again and again. We cycle through each catastrophic morphing of the deadly philosophy before we bust back down to the inescapable reality that life is not necessarily fair, that not everyone can achieve levels of dominance like the top one percent does and that all of the reasons we offer to explain that sad collection of facts usually fall short of the simple truth that the pattern is inescapable and will never stop repeating.

JO

The problem is very few countries have done Socialism (rather than socialism).

But China, Vietnam, Laos are all pushing ahead and have a sort of Socialism.

But you have demagogues like Bernie Sanders refer to both Western Europe and North Korea as "socialist". Does he understand that the two have stark differences or is he really that ignorant? Either way, you are looking at those in power in the US today who are either liars or, at best, incompetent law makers who don't know what they are doing. Either way, it is frightening because they are on the verge of changing your country as they lie to its citizens while doing it.

Leave the Left to Wallow in Its Own Pond Scum

Eject the Pinko States and form Great America. Deport all Democrats and their voters to the UN states. It's the only way to avoid sliding and slithering into Third World status.

Sounds very fascist.

 

[TNHarley]

instead of the people who actually control the economy

The government? IE NOT Capitalism?
Do you understand now?

Not really. Just saying "The government" is not what you could call a theory. Besides, in a plutocracy like we have it's rather difficult to define where big business ends and the government begins.

If the govt controls the economy, it isnt capitalism. Which was my point.
I would lean towards corporatocracy, more than a plutocracy. But its definitely debatable

If the government could control the economy there would never be a crash ever. The problem here is that capitalism is never to blame for anything. That way not even the worst market crash is sufficient cause to un-rig anything. You can shift blame by saying it's not capitalism but it's the system we have and there does not seem to be a shortage of people defending it.

The govt DOES control the economy. WTF are you talking about?
Saying a black pig isnt white isnt shifting blame. It is what it is.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is no such thing as a free market since the fall of Mogadishu.

Pure Paradise for Plutocratic Parasites

A free market means that whatever clique controls the market is free to do anything it wants.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Unlike socialism Capitalism isn't a political movement ....

Government just gets in the way

It's why us Capitalist are always calling for less government intervention and interference

The politicians are the ones who were too stupid to make it in a capitalist structure.....they are more or less the waste product of business....and they are jealous to no end at the successes they see there. Trump wasn't the first rich guy to make it to the Oval office....as I recall Hoover was a multi millionaire businessman before running for office as with Trump both parties secretly hated him because he was a successful outsider.

JO

The politicians we have today are mostly lawyers

Someone should call for an insurrection

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Unlike socialism Capitalism isn't a political movement ....

Government just gets in the way

It's why us Capitalist are always calling for less government intervention and interference

Why are there no true AnCaps on Earth since the fall of Mogadishu?

I'm not an ancap and purists are almost as delusional as democratic socialist / progressive/marxist democrats
For example
Common sense dictates you need some sort of regulation ...I was a textile guy
Are ya gonna let the mill upstream dump its effluent into a river ?what's left of em anyway in this country ...poisonous shit !...I got horror stories from China I've seen wif me own two eyes


We have the epa destroying private residence cause they got a creek running through thier front yard ....

See what im getting at there


Lean ,mean ,streamlined efficent government bureaucracies that actually serve the best interests of the people communities they serve and nation as a whole
Extremely difficult to achieve

Someone should call for an insurrection....

 

[danielpalos]

Regulation is socialism.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Regulation is socialism.

Nonsense

Are you a boomer ?

Please die faster

 

[danielpalos]

Regulation is socialism.

Nonsense

Are you a boomer ?

Please die faster

You must be on the right-wing.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Unlike socialism Capitalism isn't a political movement ....

Government just gets in the way

It's why us Capitalist are always calling for less government intervention and interference

Why are there no true AnCaps on Earth since the fall of Mogadishu?

I'm not an ancap and purists are almost as delusional as democratic socialist / progressive/marxist democrats
For example
Common sense dictates you need some sort of regulation ...I was a textile guy
Are ya gonna let the mill upstream dump its effluent into a river ?what's left of em anyway in this country ...poisonous shit !...I got horror stories from China I've seen wif me own two eyes


We have the epa destroying private residence cause they got a creek running through thier front yard ....

See what im getting at there


Lean ,mean ,streamlined efficent government bureaucracies that actually serve the best interests of the people communities they serve and nation as a whole
Extremely difficult to achieve

Someone should call for an insurrection....

Heir Hysteria

The Preppy Progressives' birth-class instincts drive them to purposely make government ineffective. They hire lazy, stupid, crooked, and rude people, which reveals that they don't really want to make government work.

They have a sick love-hate relationship with their plutocratic Daddies; that accounts for their confused attitude towards government. One part of their split personality wants to make government the Daddy they wish their father had been; the other part want to make government obnoxious, because that's what Daddy always told them it was.

 

[Pellinore]

Unlike socialism Capitalism isn't a political movement ....

Government just gets in the way

It's why us Capitalist are always calling for less government intervention and interference

The politicians are the ones who were too stupid to make it in a capitalist structure.....they are more or less the waste product of business....and they are jealous to no end at the successes they see there. Trump wasn't the first rich guy to make it to the Oval office....as I recall Hoover was a multi millionaire businessman before running for office as with Trump both parties secretly hated him because he was a successful outsider.

JO

The politicians we have today are mostly lawyers

Someone should call for an insurrection

Most of our Founding Fathers were lawyers, or had legal training.

 

[danielpalos]

Government is social-ism. Ours is over two hundred years old. Capitalism already failed in 1929 and has been bailed out by the social-ism of Government ever since.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Unlike socialism Capitalism isn't a political movement ....

Government just gets in the way

It's why us Capitalist are always calling for less government intervention and interference

The politicians are the ones who were too stupid to make it in a capitalist structure.....they are more or less the waste product of business....and they are jealous to no end at the successes they see there. Trump wasn't the first rich guy to make it to the Oval office....as I recall Hoover was a multi millionaire businessman before running for office as with Trump both parties secretly hated him because he was a successful outsider.

JO

The politicians we have today are mostly lawyers

Someone should call for an insurrection

Most of our Founding Fathers were lawyers, or had legal training.

Their Constitution Established Elitist Tyranny

Government is social-ism. Ours is over two hundred years old. Capitalism already failed in 1929 and has been bailed out by the social-ism of Government ever since.

Our real Founding Fathers were frontiersmen. The others, the wags wearing wigs, were wannabe aristocrats.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Government is social-ism. Ours is over two hundred years old. Capitalism already failed in 1929 and has been bailed out by the social-ism of Government ever since.

Conservation, which was government interference, caused the Depression. Despite what sheltered and ignorant academic economists preach, the Free Market is not static. It needs a constant supply of newly developed resources to feed it. All the downturns of the 19th Century were solved by that re-fueling. Then came Smokey the Bear to snuff it out.

Despite opinionists' blowhard pronouncements, the frontier was never reached. The essence of the frontier is what lies below the ground; just reaching the surface counts for little. In 1959, the Conservationist hoarders roadblocked a whole continent—Antarctica.

 

[danielpalos]

Thanks for letting us know Why the soclal-ism of Government evolved.