Why socialism is evil

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

Socialism: how mass murderers and sociopaths fool enough people in order to get control of the legitimacy and firepower of the State. (Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Fidel, FDR, Obama)

You call Obama a mass murderer?! How do you come to this?

And i´ll wask aou again: If socialism is evil, is capitalism holy and sacred then?

 

[Intense]

The problem with Socialism, is it is rooted in total management of other peoples resources, and it is Centralized. Our Original concept of decentralized power was a defense against Tyranny and Encroachment. Balance of Power, Federal, State, Local. Executive, Legislative, Judicial. What we have now is a 3 headed hydra-taking turns feeding from the buffet (us), while the other two heads protect it's right to do so. Government by definition , is a parasite, it produces nothing, yet is compensated, for basic service. The balance has changed, the parasite has out grown the host and is now in the process of killing the host in the process of feeding itself. The mechanism to perform sanctioned functions, has elevated itself above it's purpose for being through the Construction process. It's power is arbitrary and self serving. We are the fuel it survives off of, little more.

 

[hipeter924]

The problem with Socialism, is it is rooted in total management of other peoples resources, and it is Centralized. Our Original concept of decentralized power was a defense against Tyranny and Encroachment. Balance of Power, Federal, State, Local. Executive, Legislative, Judicial. What we have now is a 3 headed hydra-taking turns feeding from the buffet (us), while the other two heads protect it's right to do so. Government by definition , is a parasite, it produces nothing, yet is compensated, for basic service. The balance has changed, the parasite has out grown the host and is now in the process of killing the host in the process of feeding itself. The mechanism to perform sanctioned functions, has elevated itself above it's purpose for being through the Construction process. It's power is arbitrary and self serving. We are the fuel it survives off of, little more.

I just see socialism (the statist form) as self destructive. If you believe for one moment the goal of socialism is to create a society with it's people as equal in wealth and in power as much as possible, and the people through democratic means controlling the reigns, then that would be a logical fallacy as those who have the reigns would then be the leaders they elect, and those directly in charge of the means of production. Ideally the people would hold the reigns, but in practice rather than the people controlling the state, the state controls and manipulates the people in collusion with a minority of the people (mainly bureaucrats and propagandists).

So increasing state power as a means to reduce poverty, unemployment and other social ills in fact makes the problem worse, as it gives a government elite more power than it would under traditional state capitalist governments, which have a clear division of power along economic, political and social lines, rather than totally merged together under the banner of a single socialist government (directly tied in with the economy), it's much harder to exploit people under the American system than a socialist system but saying that we don't really have a truly socialist society in existence yet, the closest would be Cuba, Sweden, Denmark or Norway, the last three are debatable state capitalist with social democrat leanings.

Note: Singapore, China or Russia would be an example of state capitalism, the American system is not state capitalist.

 

[Sallow]

Okay..you may have a point..with this evil Socialism..and it may be time to change the Constitution..

Specifically:

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Damn that evil socialism.

We don't blame you, just the system that indoctrinated you. I know this is a shock for you... so sit down.... "Government is not God" .... "Government is not Santa"......Merry Christmas Sallow!

Jumped right over that one didjya?

Happy Holidays to you too..

 

[Intense]

Okay..you may have a point..with this evil Socialism..and it may be time to change the Constitution..

Specifically:


Damn that evil socialism.

We don't blame you, just the system that indoctrinated you. I know this is a shock for you... so sit down.... "Government is not God" .... "Government is not Santa"......Merry Christmas Sallow!

Jumped right over that one didjya?

Happy Holidays to you too..

Happy New Year Sallow!!! How are you doing with the snow? I'm half dug out. Haven't seen a plow yet, that sucks, need the sunlight at the pavement level to melt the snow, that and cars driving over the pack to break it up. Bloomberg is nothing like Giuliani when it comes to plowing. Very slow from the gate. Wind is still howling away.

 

[Big Fitz]

Socialism: how mass murderers and sociopaths fool enough people in order to get control of the legitimacy and firepower of the State. (Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Fidel, FDR, Obama)

You call Obama a mass murderer?! How do you come to this?

And i´ll wask aou again: If socialism is evil, is capitalism holy and sacred then?

In comparison... yes.

 

[Intense]

I just don't see mid level Bureaucrat's as motivators. They are not the movers and shakers by nature. Why the need to collar and leash the Doer's? Afraid of being left behind? Afraid of not being in control? Not being in charge? Get over it and get out of the way.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

In comparison... yes.

wow.

the desolate condition of your country isn´t enough?

 

[Big Fitz]

How's that financial pillar of strength, Germany doing? Still ready to collapse? Have you been able to turn away from those austerity programs and get back to doling money out to the unproductive and undeserving.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

How's that financial pillar of strength, Germany doing? Still ready to collapse? Have you been able to turn away from those austerity programs and get back to doling money out to the unproductive and undeserving.

Does "unproductive and undeserving" means "not worth to live"?

 

[editec]

Folks...what is the end game of pure socialism? (which could never exist, BTW)

The domination of state run inefficiencies by an elite who dominate the rest of society by government edict backed up BY SHEER FORCE

What is the end game of pure capitalism? (which is also basically impossible)

The domination of monopoly run inefficiencies by an elite who dominate the rest of society by economic power supported by SHEER FORCE.

I THINK that most of you already intuitively understand the above statements, but for some reason many of you pretend that these observations are entirely beyond your ability to grasp.

Personally, I doubt so many of you are as stupid as you pretend to be.

If you were that stupid I doubt most of you would bother to post in a place like this.

 

[Bern80]

Folks...what is the end game of pure socialism? (which could never exist, BTW)

The domination of state run inefficiencies by an elite who dominate the rest of society by government edict backed up BY SHEER FORCE

What is the end game of pure capitalism? (which is also basically impossible)

The domination of monopoly run inefficiencies by an elite who dominate the rest of society by economic power supported by SHEER FORCE.

I THINK that most of you already intuitively understand the above statements, but for some reason many of you pretend that these observations are entirely beyond your ability to grasp.

Personally, I doubt so many of you are as stupid as you pretend to be.

If you were that stupid I doubt most of you would bother to post in a place like this.

It isn't that they are observations beyond anyone's grasp. It's that I just can't objectively agree with the your capitalism end game theory. That you would end up with one giant monopoly of everything where a single or group of private individuals owns all of the means of production. Why? Because it isn't actually happening. I don't think there is anything, for example, preventing Bill Gates from buying Ford motor company. He hasn't expressed any interest in that as far as I've heard or some similar major acquisition.

My theory as to why it wouldn't happen is the very reason end game socialism fails; the inefficiences. Socialism is prone to inefficiences due to who is running the production. The government has no profit motive. Private individuals do. It is in the interest of the profit motive that inefficiencies are eliminated in a private business and inefficiency comes when a single company becomes too diverse and tries to do too many different things instead of focusing on its area expertise.

Further I'm not sure a total private monopoly would be the real end game. I'm not sure there is one with capitalism. Pretending for a second that one private entity owned Ford, Micorsoft, GMC, GE, VIACOM, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps this owner decides he is willing to sell off to an individual and or all of those companies, effectively choosing to dissolve his monopoly for any number of reasons. Again I dont think that is real possibility even with unregulated capitalism simply because our economy with all of it's vastly diverse goods and services is to much for any one entity to efficiently operate, regardless of whether that entity is public or private.

 

[Big Fitz]

How's that financial pillar of strength, Germany doing? Still ready to collapse? Have you been able to turn away from those austerity programs and get back to doling money out to the unproductive and undeserving.

Does "unproductive and undeserving" means "not worth to live"?

No no... Genocide and euthanasia are common leftist tools to prevent over-consumption. If someone is not willing to work and earn enough to eat, it's their own choice. If someone is incapable to work and earn, then they need some assistance of some sort. Parents though are still responsible for the caring of their own children... or should be.

But, indigent 35 year old trekkies living in their mother's basement because they can't find work with his degree in Art with a painting emphasis, don't deserve to get a free ride on gubmit subsidies.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

How's that financial pillar of strength, Germany doing? Still ready to collapse? Have you been able to turn away from those austerity programs and get back to doling money out to the unproductive and undeserving.

Does "unproductive and undeserving" means "not worth to live"?

No no... Genocide and euthanasia are common leftist tools to prevent over-consumption. If someone is not willing to work and earn enough to eat, it's their own choice. If someone is incapable to work and earn, then they need some assistance of some sort. Parents though are still responsible for the caring of their own children... or should be.

But, indigent 35 year old trekkies living in their mother's basement because they can't find work with his degree in Art with a painting emphasis, don't deserve to get a free ride on gubmit subsidies.

tell this to the former steel workers of portland, to the former car workers of detroit and to all the other hard working people that got fired from their MyKinsey-Infected companies. Your argument might work in a society, where the balance between jobs, population and income is given. But in this raped, robbed and lost circumstances, your great country is at moment, i think other reciepts and arguments are needed.

 

[editec]

How's that financial pillar of strength, Germany doing? Still ready to collapse? Have you been able to turn away from those austerity programs and get back to doling money out to the unproductive and undeserving.

Does "unproductive and undeserving" means "not worth to live"?

No no... Genocide and euthanasia are common leftist tools to prevent over-consumption. If someone is not willing to work and earn enough to eat, it's their own choice. If someone is incapable to work and earn, then they need some assistance of some sort. Parents though are still responsible for the caring of their own children... or should be.

But, indigent 35 year old trekkies living in their mother's basement because they can't find work with his degree in Art with a painting emphasis, don't deserve to get a free ride on gubmit subsidies.

You might be happy to know that 35 year old trekkies living in their mother's basement because they can't find work with his degree in Art with a painting emphasis don't get government subsidies, then.

There are 4 million people on Welfare.

Most of them are young mothers and their children.

 

[Big Fitz]

Does "unproductive and undeserving" means "not worth to live"?

No no... Genocide and euthanasia are common leftist tools to prevent over-consumption. If someone is not willing to work and earn enough to eat, it's their own choice. If someone is incapable to work and earn, then they need some assistance of some sort. Parents though are still responsible for the caring of their own children... or should be.

But, indigent 35 year old trekkies living in their mother's basement because they can't find work with his degree in Art with a painting emphasis, don't deserve to get a free ride on gubmit subsidies.

You might be happy to know that 35 year old trekkies living in their mother's basement because they can't find work with his degree in Art with a painting emphasis don't get government subsidies, then.

There are 4 million people on Welfare.

Most of them are young mothers and their children.

yes, I know. I seem to live among them right now. Now, I'll be blunt, if they would tell these playas no sex till married, most of them wouldn't be in this fucked up position. Secondly, if the government would quit playing daddy for these losers going around knocking up women because there are no consequences, and force them to take responsibility for their behavior, you'd lessen a LOT of ills our society currently endures.

And yes, I see shit like this every day either through having listened to their kids, or observing them in public.

The worst are the scam artists who abuse the system by having multiple people in the family sign up for assistance and they can easily quadruple if not sextuple their aid. Don't tell me it doesn't happen, because I've seen it in action.

There is no power in the constitution that grants the federal government the authority to support the family, or individual. The states may choose to do so, but not the feds.

 

[MikeK]

The lawn-mowing analogy is off balance because it is not realistic. The proper action for government to take in such a situation is help the woman to sell her home and move into a service-oriented retirement community where such things as lawn-mowing are taken care of by grounds crews. I live in such a community now because after the blizzard we just had here in NJ I'd be screwed if I still had a big front lawn, a huge back yard and a long driveway to shovel and maintain, and I certainly wouldn't expect a neighbor to do it for me.

Let's replace the lawn-mowing analogy with one in which a neighbor is sick and can't afford medical care, or can't afford to buy groceries. What then? Should we just stand by, chewing on a steak while that person starves or succumbs to untreated pain? Or do you think it's okay for government to reach into all our pockets to pull out a few bucks to take care of such unfortunates?

Because one can't be sure that one's luck will never run out and one will be on the other side of this analogy.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

Secondly, if the government would quit playing daddy for these losers going around knocking up women because there are no consequences, and force them to take responsibility for their behavior, you'd lessen a LOT of ills our society currently endures.

do you see now, that there is no unlimited freedom in every way? A Buddhistic word says:

"The own freedom ends, where the freedom of the next begins"

I think, we all need a new culture of personal responisbility for ourselves and for our societies.

 

[Big Fitz]

that there is no unlimited freedom in every way?

I never claimed that. But socialists don't believe in ANY freedom.

 

[hipeter924]

that there is no unlimited freedom in every way?

I never claimed that. But socialists don't believe in ANY freedom.

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The ideal socialist society, just happens to be the prisoner.