Why Shouldn't The VP Have Unilateral Power To Overturn Elections??

[Biff_Poindexter]

Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan revealed as one lawmaker who sent text messages to Mark Meadows

The House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection released a text Jordan forwarded to Meadows on Jan. 5 regarding Electoral College votes.

www.usatoday.com

"Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan is among the lawmakers who texted with Mark Meadows, chief of staff to former President Donald Trump. Jordan forwarded a text message to Meadows, regarding a legal theory that then-Vice President Mike Pence could prevent the certification of Electoral College votes from the 2020 election, according to CNN. The message Jordan forwarded originally came from former Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Schmitz, according to reports from CNN, Politico and NBC. Jordan spokesman Russell Dye confirmed the text's authenticity to CNN.

"A portion of the text message reads: “On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all -- 'No legislative act,’ wrote Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 78, ‘contrary to the Constitution, can be valid."

Bam, that is the ball game.....Alexander Hamilton said it himself...no legislative act that is unconstitutional can be valid..therefore, all of those electoral votes are henceforth, invalid....even tho Hamilton was talking about federal courts having the power to determine what laws or valid or not; not that the VP alone should be able to have that power with regards to election results...but still...it sounds good to quote the Federalist papers and stuff...

But it does bring up the question.....In the spirit of Dick Cheney and the way he grew the powers of the executive branch (especially the VP powers) -- why can't the Vice President be able to unilaterally throw out election results that he feels are invalid due to unconstitutional election laws and strong feelings and suspicions of widespread voter fraud?? Why are Dems and the lame-stream media acting like what the Trump admin and others in the GOP were pushing Pence to do was something bad?? Knowing the respect for fairness and upholding the Constitution that Conservatives have; I am sure they would be just as passionate about this belief if the current VP decides to do that herself in 2024...she can point to the report that over 400 cases of voter fraud was discovered in 2020..with potentially millions of fraudulent votes to come in 2024 -- wouldn't she have grounds to declare all of the electoral votes invalid??

 

[Oddball]

.....according to CNN. The message Jordan forwarded originally came from former Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Schmitz, according to reports from CNN, Politico and NBC. Jordan spokesman Russell Dye confirmed the text's authenticity to CNN.

Which gives us as strong an indication that ever will exist, that this is the sort of fanciful "based upon a true story" narrative, that could have been written by Steven J. Cannell.

 

[Flash]

Pence could have shown real leadership and have insisted on an audit of the 2020 Presidential election. There was certainly a massive amount of evidence that the Democrats were using the scam of unverified mail in and harvested ballots in Democrat controlled swing districts.

Having a real audit was not overthrowing an election but just making sure the election was legitimate. It was the right thing to do.

But he didn't. He joined the filthy ass Swamp and let the Democrats get away with the thievery rather than show courage to do the right thing.

He will go down in history as a traitor to his country.

 

[struth]

Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan revealed as one lawmaker who sent text messages to Mark Meadows

The House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection released a text Jordan forwarded to Meadows on Jan. 5 regarding Electoral College votes.

www.usatoday.com

"Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan is among the lawmakers who texted with Mark Meadows, chief of staff to former President Donald Trump. Jordan forwarded a text message to Meadows, regarding a legal theory that then-Vice President Mike Pence could prevent the certification of Electoral College votes from the 2020 election, according to CNN. The message Jordan forwarded originally came from former Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Schmitz, according to reports from CNN, Politico and NBC. Jordan spokesman Russell Dye confirmed the text's authenticity to CNN.

"A portion of the text message reads: “On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all -- 'No legislative act,’ wrote Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 78, ‘contrary to the Constitution, can be valid."

Bam, that is the ball game.....Alexander Hamilton said it himself...no legislative act that is unconstitutional can be valid..therefore, all of those electoral votes are henceforth, invalid....even tho Hamilton was talking about federal courts having the power to determine what laws or valid or not; not that the VP alone should be able to have that power with regards to election results...but still...it sounds good to quote the Federalist papers and stuff...

But it does bring up the question.....In the spirit of Dick Cheney and the way he grew the powers of the executive branch (especially the VP powers) -- why can't the Vice President be able to unilaterally throw out election results that he feels are invalid due to unconstitutional election laws and strong feelings and suspicions of widespread voter fraud?? Why are Dems and the lame-stream media acting like what the Trump admin and others in the GOP were pushing Pence to do was something bad?? Knowing the respect for fairness and upholding the Constitution that Conservatives have; I am sure they would be just as passionate about this belief if the current VP decides to do that herself in 2024...she can point to the report that over 400 cases of voter fraud was discovered in 2020..with potentially millions of fraudulent votes to come in 2024 -- wouldn't she have grounds to declare all of the electoral votes invalid??

I am not sure what the headline means....the text doesn't suggest that the VP has the power, nor does the VP have the power...the power the VP has is outlined in the Constitution as it regards to this.

Try again...or is this more Shifty parody?

 

[Oddball]

Pence could have shown real leadership and have insisted on an audit of the 2020 Presidential election. There was certainly a massive amount of evidence that the Democrats were using the scam of unverified mail in and harvested ballots in Democrat controlled swing districts.

Having a real audit was not overthrowing an election but just making sure the election was legitimate. It was the right thing to do.

But he didn't. He joined the filthy ass Swamp and let the Democrats get away with the thievery rather than show courage to do the right thing.

He will go down in history as a traitor to his country.

No federal authority to demand that.

The only thing Pence was asked to do was acknowledge the petitions from three states, to have an additional 10 days for them to look into the legitimacy of their counts and certifications....That's it.

All the rest is a big fan fiction fable.

 

[Oddball]

I am not sure what the headline means....the text doesn't suggest that the VP has the power, nor does the VP have the power...the power the VP has is outlined in the Constitution as it regards to this.

Try again...or is this more Shifty parody?

Shitty parody....Dweeb hasn't yet got the memo that he is tragically unfunny.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

.....according to CNN. The message Jordan forwarded originally came from former Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Schmitz, according to reports from CNN, Politico and NBC. Jordan spokesman Russell Dye confirmed the text's authenticity to CNN.

Which gives us as strong an indication that ever will exist, that this is the sort of fanciful "based upon a true story" narrative, that could have been written by Steven J. Cannell.

This would never live up to the Rockford Files tho...

 

[Oddball]

This would never live up to the Rockford Files tho...

Hell, it can't even live up to (down to?) the fucking A-Team.... Why do you even try?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Shitty parody....Dweeb hasn't yet got the memo that he is tragically unfunny.

Except, the text does state that Pence has the power to declare the votes invalid..

Dic suckers like you can keep on trying minimize the fact your party is fully devoted to trying to usurp the entire election process -- it won't change the fact that it happened

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

If that's the case, then why do you even try?

Try what??

The story is a real thing...I didn't send the texts to Meadows

I didn't make a 40 page power point detailing how to overturn the election...

but you get mad at me like the little bitch you are because I am mocking dic suckers like you for it..

Stay mad

 

[struth]

Except, the text does state that Pence has the power to declare the votes invalid..

Dic suckers like you can keep on trying minimize the fact your party is fully devoted to trying to usurp the entire election process -- it won't change the fact that it happened

and he could, but not unilaterally as you suggested in your post. 3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

and he could, but not unilaterally as you suggested in your post. 3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

“On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all."

What part of this is Constitutional??

The VP does not have the authority to declare ANYTHING unconstitutional.....or are we saying the VP is now on par with the federal courts?


Furthermore....would you have that same energy if Kamala does EXACTLY WHAT GYM JORDAN asked Pence to do?

 

[Flash]

No federal authority to demand that.

The only thing Pence was asked to do was acknowledge the petitions from three states, to have an additional 10 days for them to look into the legitimacy of their counts and certifications....That's it.

All the rest is a big fan fiction fable.

Congress has the authority to have an audit. It was done before in 1876.

If we can't have an audit then that means the Democrats can always get away with stealing an election, can't they? Is that the country you want? A country where a party can create all the votes they need to win and Congress can't do jackshit about it?

The Democrats stole the 2020 election and The Swamp didn't do anything about it. Pence was a chickenshit and a traitor to his country.

 

[Lesh]

Pence could have shown real leadership and have insisted on an audit of the 2020 Presidential election. There was certainly a massive amount of evidence that the Democrats were using the scam of unverified mail in and harvested ballots in Democrat controlled swing districts.

Having a real audit was not overthrowing an election but just making sure the election was legitimate. It was the right thing to do.

But he didn't. He joined the filthy ass Swamp and let the Democrats get away with the thievery rather than show courage to do the right thing.

He will go down in history as a traitor to his country.

Pence did not have the Constitutional power to DO anything of the kind and he knew it. Sadly you don't

Subsequent audits and court cases have shown that if he had done something as unconstitutional as that he would have been in error anyway

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Congress has the authority to have an audit. It was done before in 1876.

If we can't have an audit then that means the Democrats can always get away with stealing an election, can't they? Is that the country you want? A country where a party can create all the votes they need to win and Congress can't do jackshit about it?

The Democrats stole the 2020 election and The Swamp didn't do anything about it. Pence was a chickenshit and a traitor to his country.

And as I said before.......if in 2022.....the Democrats decide to declare those election votes across the country to be invalid -- would you have this same energy??

By the way, there is STILL NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD -- you people are just creating your own religion on the fly right now....

And then you get upset at me for mocking you for it

 

[struth]

“On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all the electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all."

What part of this is Constitutional??

The VP does not have the authority to declare ANYTHING unconstitutional.....or are we saying the VP is now on par with the federal courts?


Furthermore....would you have that same energy if Kamala does EXACTLY WHAT GYM JORDAN asked Pence to do?

when did I say the VP had the ability to declare something unConstiutitonal? I provided a link however to the topic of the conversation, prior to your deflection.

Please feel free to read it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Try again...or is this more Shifty parody?

If you have to ask..
WHOOSH!

 

[Flash]

Pence did not have the Constitutional power to DO anything of the kind and he knew it. Sadly you don't

Subsequent audits and court cases have shown that if he had done something as unconstitutional as that he would have been in error anyway

It was done in 1876 when needed and could have been done in 2020. Congress can appoint an Election Commission to perform an audit of contested districts.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

VPs only function is to take over after a president dies.

And maybe to break a tie vote in certain circumstances.

That's all they do.

We'll they attend a lot of state funerals in foreign countries.

 

[Flash]

And as I said before.......if in 2022.....the Democrats decide to declare those election votes across the country to be invalid -- would you have this same energy??

By the way, there is STILL NO EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD -- you people are just creating your own religion on the fly right now....

And then you get upset at me for mocking you for it

Bullshit. There was tremendous evidence of voter fraud in Democrat controlled swing districts.

The Democrats used the Pandemic as a front to do the scam of unverified mail in and harvested ballots in Democrat controlled swing districts counted by Democrats. Hell, we even saw the sonofabitches shut down counting when Trump was ahead and open several hours later with enough magical ballots to put Potatohead ahead. We saw hundreds of thousands of ballots in swing districts where only one item was checked on the ballot for Potatohead. We saw Republican observers denied admission to areas where the Democrats were doing the counting.

The evidence for fraud was overwhelming and there should have been an audit.

It wasn't done for two reasons.

First Trump did not have the backing of the Republicans. He was not a big government Republican that the Swamp could support. He was a Nationalist that threatened the status quo that the big government Republicans felt comfortable with. They did not have his back.

Second the Negroes had spent several months destroying this country with their massive insurrection and nobody wanted to start that up again with challenging the election. For instance, that shithead Roberts, when he denied standing to the states to challenge the election, was quoted as saying he didn't want to be the one responsible for more rioting.

Pence and others are traitors to their country for allowing the filthy Democrats to steal the election.

All the Moon Bat denial will not change the facts of the thievery. All it would have taken to remedy the thievery was a real audit and that didn't happen. The Moon Bats didn't want one because they knew the election was stolen just like everybody else.