Why should an independent vote Trump?

[Correll]

A list of dubious usefulness since unfunded entitlements are not included.

And you seem to have no evidence of all these unfunded entitlements. We are in bad shape.

We are all in bad shape and the reasons date back to the very foundation(s) of our respective liberal social safety nets.


Blaming Trump for this, seems, unreasonable.

Deficits were much smaller when he took over. Every time he talks he wants to spend, I’m glad he was talked out of buying Greenland...

Smaller....

So, it's not that there is a choice between good and bad, just between bad and less bad?


YOu sure that is enough to make the call? SOunds like considering other factors might make some sense.

What factors do you suggest?

Wages, specifically lower end wages. Those are people that we have been ignoring and ******* over for way too long.

 

[Brain357]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

 

[Correll]

Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Increase demand with better trade policy, while reducing supply with better immigration policy.


If you have missed the increases, that are not limited to the states with increases to the min, you should try googling it.


Correct. It has been a long time ago, that we learned that any attempt to address the deficit, got us painted as monsters.


We can't win on a platform of cutting spending. SO, we gave up. YOu won. Congratulations.


What part of that are you not getting?

 

[Brain357]

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Increase demand with better trade policy, while reducing supply with better immigration policy.


If you have missed the increases, that are not limited to the states with increases to the min, you should try googling it.


Correct. It has been a long time ago, that we learned that any attempt to address the deficit, got us painted as monsters.


We can't win on a platform of cutting spending. SO, we gave up. YOu won. Congratulations.


What part of that are you not getting?

I don’t see how your plan works. Our unemployment rate is incredibly low and yet wages are still weak. Must be something else holding wages down, markets aren’t working.

Again, I’m a fiscally responsible independent. Your giving up is why I’m unlikely to vote republican.

 

[Correll]

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Increase demand with better trade policy, while reducing supply with better immigration policy.


If you have missed the increases, that are not limited to the states with increases to the min, you should try googling it.


Correct. It has been a long time ago, that we learned that any attempt to address the deficit, got us painted as monsters.


We can't win on a platform of cutting spending. SO, we gave up. YOu won. Congratulations.


What part of that are you not getting?

I don’t see how your plan works. Our unemployment rate is incredibly low and yet wages are still weak. Must be something else holding wages down, markets aren’t working.

Again, I’m a fiscally responsible independent. Your giving up is why I’m unlikely to vote republican.

Sure. Unlimited supply. We are seeing signs of life, with the tiny amount of reductions that TRump has done.


What if we got really serious about it? Deport them by the millions? Don't let any more in?

 

[Brain357]

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Increase demand with better trade policy, while reducing supply with better immigration policy.


If you have missed the increases, that are not limited to the states with increases to the min, you should try googling it.


Correct. It has been a long time ago, that we learned that any attempt to address the deficit, got us painted as monsters.


We can't win on a platform of cutting spending. SO, we gave up. YOu won. Congratulations.


What part of that are you not getting?

I don’t see how your plan works. Our unemployment rate is incredibly low and yet wages are still weak. Must be something else holding wages down, markets aren’t working.

Again, I’m a fiscally responsible independent. Your giving up is why I’m unlikely to vote republican.

Sure. Unlimited supply. We are seeing signs of life, with the tiny amount of reductions that TRump has done.


What if we got really serious about it? Deport them by the millions? Don't let any more in?

We are already at 3.5% unemployment and wages are weak. Markets aren’t working obviously. If they were wages would have strong growth already.

 

[The Original Tree]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

If you value your Civil Rights, Due Process, Liberty, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Thought, and Love America, you cannot vote Democrat.

Nice fail at pretending you are even Open Minded.

 

[sealybobo]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

No doubt you'll blame us when it all blows up.

 

[sealybobo]

Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Yup. And they weren't even embarrassed about the 180 they took.

The only cuts Republicans were willing to make were to poor people and social safety nets.

 

[sealybobo]

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Increase demand with better trade policy, while reducing supply with better immigration policy.


If you have missed the increases, that are not limited to the states with increases to the min, you should try googling it.


Correct. It has been a long time ago, that we learned that any attempt to address the deficit, got us painted as monsters.


We can't win on a platform of cutting spending. SO, we gave up. YOu won. Congratulations.


What part of that are you not getting?

I don’t see how your plan works. Our unemployment rate is incredibly low and yet wages are still weak. Must be something else holding wages down, markets aren’t working.

Again, I’m a fiscally responsible independent. Your giving up is why I’m unlikely to vote republican.

Sure. Unlimited supply. We are seeing signs of life, with the tiny amount of reductions that TRump has done.


What if we got really serious about it? Deport them by the millions? Don't let any more in?

We are already at 3.5% unemployment and wages are weak. Markets aren’t working obviously. If they were wages would have strong growth already.

Exactly. Corporations have full control of wages. Without unions there is no reason to raise wages any more than maybe a token amount leading up to an election.

 

[Brain357]

And what is the wage plan? They seem to be mostly stagnant except where there are min wage increases.

I’m an independent. If repubs had wanted to they could of addressed the deficit when they were in full control. Instead they grew deficits.

Increase demand with better trade policy, while reducing supply with better immigration policy.


If you have missed the increases, that are not limited to the states with increases to the min, you should try googling it.


Correct. It has been a long time ago, that we learned that any attempt to address the deficit, got us painted as monsters.


We can't win on a platform of cutting spending. SO, we gave up. YOu won. Congratulations.


What part of that are you not getting?

I don’t see how your plan works. Our unemployment rate is incredibly low and yet wages are still weak. Must be something else holding wages down, markets aren’t working.

Again, I’m a fiscally responsible independent. Your giving up is why I’m unlikely to vote republican.

Sure. Unlimited supply. We are seeing signs of life, with the tiny amount of reductions that TRump has done.


What if we got really serious about it? Deport them by the millions? Don't let any more in?

We are already at 3.5% unemployment and wages are weak. Markets aren’t working obviously. If they were wages would have strong growth already.

Exactly. Corporations have full control of wages. Without unions there is no reason to raise wages any more than maybe a token amount leading up to an election.

Yes with the decline in unions policy has completely favored employers.

 

[charwin95]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

/——/ You’re not voting for Trump no matter what he accomplishes. You will go with whatever socialist retread the DNC picks. Stop kidding us with your fake Independent label.

Sounds like you have no reason. Not helpful.

/——/ Oh I have plenty of reasons, but trying to convince you to vote for him is a total waste of time. It will never happen.

Very funny. I asked you Trump accomplishment then you gave me list that came from Hannity. Then you disappear.

There’s plenty of reasons why Trump should have never been or elected a president. Totally hypocrite pathological liar non stop.

Garbage EPA policy............ From the air I breathe to the kids at public school lunch program is a total garbage.

You don’t need to convince anyone. Trump itself is this country liabilities.

If Alex Jones a very die hard Trump supporter is now speaking against Trump. Running around during the women march the other day with bull horn........DOWN WITH TRUMP........ DOWN WITH TRUMP. for several hours.

Think what other Americans think of this dumb inept moron POTUS.

 

[charwin95]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

That is easy! By keeping the border under control, wages have started rising as cheap labor has been soaked up. There are actually MORE jobs than unemployed people in the country.

It is NOT about totally stopping immigration, it is about balance so as your paycheck can rise. If wage pressures become to much, you let more in, simple as that. Notice-------->the largest wage increases have been in the lower income brackets, and that is a good thing!

Show us a proof that Trump contributed to any of that?

 

[charwin95]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

Oh my dear friend Obama. REALLY?
Correl you are lying.

Unemployment 2015 and 2016 during Obama’s years was already booming. You can look it up to prove you lying.


At the same time you ignored the collapse of real state investments. The primary reasons why the economy was slowed down.
You can look it up to prove you are lying.

At the same time Republicans GOPs did everything they can to make Obama look bad making sure he doesn’t get re-elected.
You can look it up to prove you are lying.

The economy still be this good and it doesn’t matter who got elected Hillary, Bush, Perry, Paul or anybody. ITS NOT BECAUSE OF A MORON PRESIDENT.

Do you honestly believe that the economy will miraculously BOOOOM January 20, 2017 without the hardship from Obama?

I can tell you this...... our country is far better and deserve than this corrupted POTUS. Look at where this country is headed. We are the laughing stock a total embarrassment around the world.

I can prove it to you I’m not lying.

Oh for your Middle Class incomes? It’s declining.


Why the middle class is shrinking - MarketWatch

 

[charwin95]

And you seem to have no evidence of all these unfunded entitlements. We are in bad shape.

We are all in bad shape and the reasons date back to the very foundation(s) of our respective liberal social safety nets.


Blaming Trump for this, seems, unreasonable.

Deficits were much smaller when he took over. Every time he talks he wants to spend, I’m glad he was talked out of buying Greenland...

Smaller....

So, it's not that there is a choice between good and bad, just between bad and less bad?


YOu sure that is enough to make the call? SOunds like considering other factors might make some sense.

What factors do you suggest?

Wages, specifically lower end wages. Those are people that we have been ignoring and ******* over for way too long.

Talking about illegal workers.......

Well Dude. After 3 years of Trump administration. Recently fired 7 illegal immigrants workers from his vineyards.
That is after 3 years........... Explain that.

Illegals are still here. I don’t see or hear any deportations.

What lower end wages? Are you saying whiteys has to compete with illegals low paying jobs?

 

[charwin95]

The real question is why should an Independent ever vote for a Democrat? The Democrats have nothing but destruction for this nation.

Like what?
Destruction of this nation? Where do you look?

 

[Flash]

The real question is why should an Independent ever vote for a Democrat? The Democrats have nothing but destruction for this nation.

Like what?
Destruction of this nation? Where do you look?

Lets just look at that asshole Obama for starters. Increased poverty, decreased family income, tremendous debt, failed health care and dismal economic growth.

Look at all the Democrat big city shitholes like Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago . High crime, high poverty and high taxation.

Then you have the states where the Democrat filth are in charged. Like California with the most debt, most poverty, most homeless and the worst schools.

I posted a link earlier today on how the Democrats have fucked up Seattle.

 

[sealybobo]

Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

Oh my dear friend Obama. REALLY?
Correl you are lying.

Unemployment 2015 and 2016 during Obama’s years was already booming. You can look it up to prove you lying.


At the same time you ignored the collapse of real state investments. The primary reasons why the economy was slowed down.
You can look it up to prove you are lying.

At the same time Republicans GOPs did everything they can to make Obama look bad making sure he doesn’t get re-elected.
You can look it up to prove you are lying.

The economy still be this good and it doesn’t matter who got elected Hillary, Bush, Perry, Paul or anybody. ITS NOT BECAUSE OF A MORON PRESIDENT.

Do you honestly believe that the economy will miraculously BOOOOM January 20, 2017 without the hardship from Obama?

I can tell you this...... our country is far better and deserve than this corrupted POTUS. Look at where this country is headed. We are the laughing stock a total embarrassment around the world.

I can prove it to you I’m not lying.

Oh for your Middle Class incomes? It’s declining.


Why the middle class is shrinking - MarketWatch

What he has going for him is he gave the country a huge tax break. Was it worth it? If most people vote on this honestly they’ll say no.

 

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Jobs, wages and border security have all done very well.



That Trump has not reversed all the negative underlying trends, is a valid complaint, if his opponent has a real plan to do so.


That is very unlikely. When we see what the alternative is, we can look to see if your issues will be better under the alternative or under Trump, or no difference.

How do you mean? According to trump jobs aren't doing that well because the labor force participation rate is still low. Real unemployment rate is 20% right? Most the moves in wages are from min wage increases. And aren't they about the same as inflation? Is the border more secure? How is that making my life better? I haven't noticed a change.

Actually trump reversed the deficits that were trending down and made them increase drastically.

Trump is not the one judging the economy, you are.


Once the dems get their candidate, you can look at what he promises, and his record, and compare him and Trump.


Trump's record and likely performance is likely going to be quite competitive to what the alternative is.

The alternative would be not to give corporations more tax breaks. Obama had a slow steady economy that would not be blindsided by a recession. Trump gave away the farm and pretty much after the initial bump we’re right where Obama was.

You guys want to campaign on raising middle class wages so the middle class can once again live comfortably? You want to address the wealth gap and who should pay off the debt?

Obama has slow and weak growth while doing NOTHING to address the underlying wage stagnation.


If Hillary has been elected and continued those policies, we would have been "blindsided" by a recession in her first two years.

Yes, I want to campaign on raising middle class wages. And working class wages. Wealth gap? No.


Pay off the debt? Sorry, our democracy is too representative. We cant' embrace such harsh issues, not when people like you dems are there to demonize anyone that wants to control budgets.

So, that issue will fester until is blows. That is the plan. That is the plan that you guys forced on US.

Oh my dear friend Obama. REALLY?
Correl you are lying.

Unemployment 2015 and 2016 during Obama’s years was already booming. You can look it up to prove you lying.


At the same time you ignored the collapse of real state investments. The primary reasons why the economy was slowed down.
You can look it up to prove you are lying.

At the same time Republicans GOPs did everything they can to make Obama look bad making sure he doesn’t get re-elected.
You can look it up to prove you are lying.

The economy still be this good and it doesn’t matter who got elected Hillary, Bush, Perry, Paul or anybody. ITS NOT BECAUSE OF A MORON PRESIDENT.

Do you honestly believe that the economy will miraculously BOOOOM January 20, 2017 without the hardship from Obama?

I can tell you this...... our country is far better and deserve than this corrupted POTUS. Look at where this country is headed. We are the laughing stock a total embarrassment around the world.

I can prove it to you I’m not lying.

Oh for your Middle Class incomes? It’s declining.


Why the middle class is shrinking - MarketWatch

Correll needs to realize admit and understand that the way you are judging trump is the exact same way trump judged obama.

interesting if correll doesn’t care.

that’s what I’m finding. They don’t care trumps horrible. God, gays, guns and racism

 

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The real question is why should an Independent ever vote for a Democrat? The Democrats have nothing but destruction for this nation.

Like what?
Destruction of this nation? Where do you look?

Lets just look at that asshole Obama for starters. Increased poverty, decreased family income, tremendous debt, failed health care and dismal economic growth.

Look at all the Democrat big city shitholes like Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago . High crime, high poverty and high taxation.

Then you have the states where the Democrat filth are in charged. Like California with the most debt, most poverty, most homeless and the worst schools.

I posted a link earlier today on how the Democrats have fucked up Seattle.

So you realize much of that is also true for trump? Tremendous debt, failed health care, dismal economic growth. It would all be true for trump if he was handed a recession. I think California has a surplus right now, they are also the biggest economy.