Why Republicans who make under $20 an hour should support the UAW strikes

[kaz]

Fine. Just don't challenge what I told you.

You told me that capitalism is a form of socialism. I'm not "challenging" that, I'm saying you are utterly full of shit. Or as we called people full of shit when I grew up in Michigan, you're "Canadian"

 

[BluesLegend]

Unions bankrupt the automakers, then the TAX PAYER bails them out. They are trying to do it again. Fuck that.

After I had to bail out GM to the tune of $50 billion and then Obama gave the union 1/3 ownership of GM I don't want to hear another sob story from the UAW.

 

[BluesLegend]

A 46% pay increase and a 4 day work week. GTFO

They want what government workers have, a taxpayer funded sweetheart deal with early retirement and Cadilac benefits for life.

 

[Donald H]

Unions bankrupt the automakers, then the TAX PAYER bails them out. They are trying to do it again. Fuck that.

That's a real issue. America's carmakers are already not capable of competing. There's a suitable answer for capitalists and socialists alike

Everybody just pay attention!

Don't tamper with collective agreements that are legally backed by law and are in force. That's not freedom or the free market.

The solution is to cancel collective agreements that are in force and then the companies need to negotiate new ones, that are within their ability to honour. All collective agreements have an expiry date!

Japan, China, Russia, and most European carmakers have this situation under control and have already dealt with their unions' blowback.

 

[Flash]

I am not in the welfare business.

I have no desire to pay bloated union wages.

An auto factory line worker is not very much more skilled than a line worker at McDonalds.

 

[kaz]

I am not in the welfare business.

I have no desire to pay bloated union wages.

An auto factory line worker is not very much more skilled than a line worker at McDonalds.

Exactly. Unions solved nothing to make auto companies successful. There were trained and paid while they were being trained. They were already paid what they are worth and more

 

[Independentthinker]

My uncle, and Dad worked at Ford motor company. My grandfather work for Bethlehem Steel. So many of our American ancestors black-and-white worked these very jobs that built the country we live in. Everyone knows that the Bridges, road signs, buildings we have we’re built by these types of workers. Including many women.

Well, there’s many working class Republicans making under $20 an hour some under $15 an hour all throughout America. They should know that we have a chance at bringing back industry in America like it used to be for perhaps 50 years or even 70 years. You used to get a job out high school making over $30 an hour …and you did not have to live like a slave in this country making $15 an hour. If we can get the right leaders in power, we can bring back American industry.

It’s always unfortunate to see a republican who makes under $20 an hour say that he is upset to see UAW workers, striking demanding better wages. We already live in a country with a horrible Joe Biden inflation economy. So therefore, people in industry deserve better wages. We’re not talking about McDonald’s workers. We’re not talking about Walmart workers. Those who work the UAW jobs work in industry that is vital to this country.

Simply remember that the UAW strikes of history involves working class white people who served in World War II who fought in the Vietnam war. There is all the reason in the world for working class Republicans to support the UAW strikes.

At the very least after 90 days on the job, somebody at ford deserves to be making over $30 an hour. That’s the wage they got adjusted for inflation for 50 years in this country. There’s no reason for it to not happen again. It’s only the corporations and some Chinese companies who are paying a garbage wage that want Republicans to be against the UAW.

Encouraging higher wages only increases inflation more than it is now. Wages are not keeping up with inflation. The higher inflation goes, the more workers fall behind.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

So dont work for them if they do not pay enpugh. I do not work at McDonalds.

A janitor should earn $30/hour?

Hmmmmm

Fuck the unions and fuck Joe Biden.

Unions bankrupt the automakers, then the TAX PAYER bails them out. They are trying to do it again. Fuck that.

My argument, is that the unions of American history were all about American greatness. I surely disagreed wMy argument is that the unions of American history were all about American greatness. I surely disagreed with a lot of the far left wing unions of today if that is not the point of this thread. The UAW supported the World War II effort. You might not know that most republican and democrats of the 1950s supported the UAW.

The problem in our country today would be Black Lives Matter and LGBT extremism coupled with terrible jobs. Well, the fact is the reason why we are the best country in the world when it comes to our military when it comes to our roads and bridges at least in the 20th century was because of manufacturing jobs. And it worked for 50 years nobody can tinnitus for 50 years you had a system where you could get a good job at an auto plant right out of high school.

It makes no sense for any working class Man republican or democrat would be against bringing back those glory days. That’s what this entire thread is about. That’s what the original post is about. Often in this type of thread, there are communication issues.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The union is also asking for the right to strike over plant closings.

"The Big Three have closed 65 plants over the last 20 years," according to the UAW's website. "That's devastated our hometowns. We must have the right to defend our communities."


This is confusing. The workers want to strike of plants are closed.

Biden picketed with the UAW for 15 minutes yesterday wearing a UAW hat. Wildly inappropriate. He should be representing no sides.

The need for more wages is 100% Dems fault for the hyperrinflaton.

Some people are so stupid.

I will only buy used, and only buy Japanese…made in Japan.

Maybe a BMW made in South Carolina, I do not think they are UAW.

Yep..

The incentive war and the lack of unions have made the South the destination of choice for foreign automakers. BMW led the way when it announced a South Carolina plant in 1992. Honda and Hyundai followed Mercedes to Alabama. Nissan went just north of Jackson, Mississippi. Volkswagen chose Tennessee.

I would buy a Honda made in Bama.

How is it these plants are non union and doing fine?

Unions are trash. The Big 3 made ABSOLUTE GARBAGE cars in the 80s and 90s.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Encouraging higher wages only increases inflation more than it is now. Wages are not keeping up with inflation. The higher inflation goes, the more workers fall behind.

My point is to bring back the system we had from 1940 until 2000. Because back in those days we had quality wages for industry workers which we should have today.

I’m not talking about McDonald’s jobs, I’m not talking about Walmart I’m talking about American industry. Pay those folks what they used to make for 70 years. Because back in those days our economy was way better. So there’s really no argument against these points I’m making because I’m talking about bringing back the prosperity we had in the 1950s

 

[Donald H]

My argument, is that the unions of American history were all about American greatness. I surely disagreed wMy argument is that the unions of American history were all about American greatness. I surely disagreed with a lot of the far left wing unions of today if that is not the point of this thread. The UAW supported the World War II effort. You might not know that most republican and democrats of the 1950s supported the UAW.

The problem in our country today would be Black Lives Matter and LGBT extremism coupled with terrible jobs. Well, the fact is the reason why we are the best country in the world when it comes to our military when it comes to our roads and bridges at least in the 20th century was because of manufacturing jobs. And it worked for 50 years nobody can tinnitus for 50 years you had a system where you could get a good job at an auto plant right out of high school.

It makes no sense for any working class Man republican or democrat would be against bringing back those glory days. That’s what this entire thread is about. That’s what the original post is about. Often in this type of thread, there are communication issues.

Much of your writing is just slightly too fast for your brain. That doesn't have to be so, and you've done better to prove it.

 

[Independentthinker]

My point is to bring back the system we had from 1940 until 2000. Because back in those days we had quality wages for industry workers which we should have today.

I’m not talking about McDonald’s jobs, I’m not talking about Walmart I’m talking about American industry. Pay those folks what they used to make for 70 years. Because back in those days our economy was way better. So there’s really no argument against these points I’m making because I’m talking about bringing back the prosperity we had in the 1950s

Industry has good paying jobs and benefits. The UAW strike is a perfect example. They were just fine with their last contract. They accepted it. Now, after the contract expires, all of a sudden those wages were slave wages and unacceptable.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

The problem is the unions receive a large cut of the money that could go to employees. The other problem is the UAW takes a lot of responsibility for the USA building shitty fucking vehicles.

True Ford, in general motors have some work to do to improve on their sedans. Now the F150 truck is the best truck in the industry

But for most of the 20th century if not all of it American auto companies dominated. I’m simply saying let’s get back to that time.

Some folks in America who oppose unions are unaware that in the 1950s tons of Republicans worked at auto plans. Right alongside Democrats. And they made a justified wage because they built this country. Same thing with the steel workers.

Those jobs made men and women, strong and honorable.

Look at the job today people working from home, people working at Walmart, Amazon. This is not the America the World War II generation fought for .

I’m saying we need to bring back American industry. Millions upon millions of Americans from the 1950s would agree with me. It is those types of people that shape my viewpoint. And they are black, they are white. They are men and women who buy the millions worked in American industry to build our bridges, road signs and skyscrapers.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Industry has good paying jobs and benefits. The UAW strike is a perfect example. They were just fine with their last contract. They accepted it. Now, after the contract expires, all of a sudden those wages were slave wages and unacceptable.

It’s a workers themselves who want to get the wages that they used to get for decades on end.

I was speaking with a UAW retired worker at a diner. He’s probably 70 years old. He was saying that new hires at Ford start off at around $18 $20 an hour. Now that’s nothing near what they used to make 20 years ago adjusted for inflation they were making over $30 an hour after 90 days on the job

Now that’s one reasonable thing that Ford employees should get. Equal pay for equal work a 90 day probationary Period. Instead of the system that they have now where you got a wait eight years to be making around $27 an hour at Ford. That’s unimaginable. And they don’t have nearly the same benefits today that they had in the 60s the 70s the 1990s for decades on end.

To be fair American auto companies need to produce better cars better sedans that is. To be able to compete with Toyota and Honda.

 

[kaz]

True Ford, in general motors have some work to do to improve on their sedans. Now the F150 truck is the best truck in the industry

But for most of the 20th century if not all of it American auto companies dominated. I’m simply saying let’s get back to that time.

Some folks in America who oppose unions are unaware that in the 1950s tons of Republicans worked at auto plans. Right alongside Democrats. And they made a justified wage because they built this country. Same thing with the steel workers.

Those jobs made men and women, strong and honorable.

Look at the job today people working from home, people working at Walmart, Amazon. This is not the America the World War II generation fought for .

I’m saying we need to bring back American industry. Millions upon millions of Americans from the 1950s would agree with me. It is those types of people that shape my viewpoint. And they are black, they are white. They are men and women who buy the millions worked in American industry to build our bridges, road signs and skyscrapers.

For US auto companies to dominate again, they first need to move manufacturing to right to work States and foreign countries

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

The problem is the unions receive a large cut of the money that could go to employees. The other problem is the UAW takes a lot of responsibility for the USA building shitty fucking vehicles.

Every union is different. Historically speaking, the united auto workers was on the right side of history. Supporting the World War II effort. Supporting the American man and woman who wanted a honorable wage.

I’ve spoken with plenty of workers from Ford some of them in my family, and the UAW did not take a high percentage of their pay. It wasn’t really anything substantial.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

For US auto companies to dominate again, they first need to move manufacturing to right to work States and foreign countries

There must be another way. Look back at what we had from 1950 to about 1980. All of those companies were right here in America….other countries were building their own automobiles and steel plants but they could not compete with America. We need to try and bring back the American past.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

That's about right. Even back when I was a kid, in the 1970's, it was very hard for a high school graduate to get a well paying job. The vast majority of young people had to start out at something that paid shittily.

In the rust belt areas, we had millions of jobs readily available right out of high school. Even for people who dropped out of high school. Don’t listen to anti-Americans who hate it when the workingman gets paid a good wage.

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Nobody can deny this country was a better place in the 1950s. Look at the degradation we have today. A man can go into a woman’s bathroom. People working garbage jobs at Walmart and Amazon and then some of them unfortunately, almost like slaves saying well maybe we should just listen to the corporate bosses and be happy to make $18 an hour, eating flies, taking drugs all the time.

There’s a better way, and that is to look at the American past learn from it, and bring it back.

Whether it was the south or the north, there was an abundance of steel and auto plant jobs to be had. We don’t have it anymore. We need to bring that back.

My dad, my Uncle , my grandfather, a number of my Poker friends in their 80s all worked these jobs. They all know that America was a much better country in the past. It’s the communists, it’s the corrupt CEOs of today who are nothing like Henry Ford was, and it is Chinese companies that hate it when an American worker is making over $30 an hour like they did for decades on end in the 20th century.

Today in America, anyone who is working at an auto plant or a similar plant making under $20 an hour is getting robbed blind. They deserve better. The World War II generation fought so they could make a living.

 

[Resnic]

The problem is in were in too deep now. America's economy can't be fixed. That's the way every financial system works. The value of money not backed by gold and silver or tangible assets eventually becomes less valuable and thus more of it is needed. The more money you make the less value each dollar is worth. Eventually it reaches a breaking point and has to be reset on a new monetary system so we're back to a good job pays like 15 dollars an hour and a loaf of bread is like 65 cents.

America doesn't back it's money with tangible assets anymore so it will always eventually go out of control because our monetary system right is backed by debt and promises. Debt is our countries biggest export.

And a 40% pay increases? Who the fuck has ever earned that much of a pay increase without switching positions within a company? Meaning you go from a line worker to a staff manager position or something. That means if you make 60k a year you're telling your employer you want a
like a 25,0000 dollar a year raise. That's fucking nuts.

I get it, workers want more money but they are being led around by their nose by the union. The union doesn't give a shit about them, they are trying to force such a huge pay rate hike because the union is going to make a lot of money, a lot. They get a chunk percent of every workers pay, so the money the workers make the more money the union gets. The union is a racket and they exploit employees to get more money.

 

[kaz]

There must be another way. Look back at what we had from 1950 to about 1980. All of those companies were right here in America….other countries were building their own automobiles and steel plants but they could not compete with America. We need to try and bring back the American past.

Those years were when foreign auto manufacturers, like Toyota, were not what they are now. Unions and Democrats have made profitable auto production virtually impossible here now that we have real foreign competition