Why pence is okay with FEMA camps for immigrant kids

[Correll]

So, you stated that you support some limitations. So, what are you prepared to do to enforce those limitations?

I’d vote for people who can write and pass laws to improve the system and funding to implement and enforce

I asked a simple and direct question, and you dodged.


The fact is revealed. YOu are not prepared to support ANY attempt to enforce ANY limits on the flow of Third World aliens into our nation.

That is your position, yet you are too dishonest to be upfront about it. You hide and lie, because you know that being truthful would reveal that your position is not based on anything to do with what is good for your fellow Americans.

I didn’t dodge, I gave a direct answer. I can’t read your mind and my answers don’t seem to be satisfying you. So why don’t you just ask me about a specific measure and I’ll tell you if I support it or not

THe answer that you refuse to honestly give, yet constantly reveal, is that you are not prepared to support any serious attempt to enforce any limitation on people coming here.

Sure I am... I just don’t know what YOU consider serious

No, you aren't. YOu demonstrated that, when I asked you what steps you would support to enforce the limitations you supposedly supported, and you all you could come up with was "voting for someone to improve the system and implement and enforce".


You could not even envision a lie you could pretend to support.

 

[Correll]

By that logic, all the people of the Earth have right to come here, and be citizens.



And liberals have the nerve to wonder why we question their patriotism.

All the people in the world have always had the opportunity to come here and try to make it. They used to come over in ships all the time... guess what, they all never came at once. Crazy phenomenon, I know.

1. No they did not.


2. Your position is not compatible with a survivable America.

I disagree

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Oh? When is the next time you expect California to vote for a Republican President?

 

[Slade3200]

Slade3200 is illegal him/herself or he/she has strong ties to those who are. There’s just no way in hell a legitimate, real American could/would take the same position that he/she does.
No legitimate American would believe that Americans have no right to sovereignty...NONE.

I literally have a certificate from a genealogy project I did a while back that shows a direct ancestor of mine who came over with the Columbus crew. That probably makes me more American than you. Is your mind blown?

 

[Slade3200]

I disagree

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Yes you do, you lying piece of shit. You said "they deserve a shot at it."

show me where I claimed we don’t have the right to control our borders? Quote me. Now stop lying

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty.

They do deserve a shot and deportation is not the only form of punishment. You’re wrong

No, .they don't deserve a shot, and deportation is the only penalty the removes the incentive for crossing the border.

If the penalty for robbing $100,000 from a bank was a $1000 fine, would that deter anyone from robbing a bank? Nope. Bank robbers would laugh at that. The penalty has to be greater than the value of the thing obtained illegally. So what penalty do you propose that would actually deter anyone from crossing our border?

The last time I checked Eye for an eye was in the Bible not in the constitution.

 

[Slade3200]

I disagree

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Yes you do, you lying piece of shit. You said "they deserve a shot at it."

show me where I claimed we don’t have the right to control our borders? Quote me. Now stop lying

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty.

They do deserve a shot and deportation is not the only form of punishment. You’re wrong

No, .they don't deserve a shot, and deportation is the only penalty the removes the incentive for crossing the border.

If the penalty for robbing $100,000 from a bank was a $1000 fine, would that deter anyone from robbing a bank? Nope. Bank robbers would laugh at that. The penalty has to be greater than the value of the thing obtained illegally. So what penalty do you propose that would actually deter anyone from crossing our border?

Some form of community or military service.

 

[Slade3200]

You and I “the citizens” are here because our family's once invaded this country. Because of that I’m not so quick to throw up the closed sign

I don't give a shit what your rationalization is. The claim that we don't have the right to determine who enters this country is beyond stupid. It doesn't matter how we got here. People living in large parts of Asia got there because Genghis Khan invaded and slaughtered tens of millions of them in the process. Does that mean anyone who wants to emigrate to Ukraine has a right to do so?

show me where I claimed we don’t have the right to control our borders? Quote me. Now stop lying

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

You are for amnesty. You're a ******* liar.

Only for dreamers

 

[Slade3200]

The dream act

Changing the law to make what they did legal isn't what I was referring to, dumbass. When I say "reduce the number of illegals in the country," I mean change where they are located to be outside of our borders.

All you're doing is proving that you support open borders.

Who do you think you're fooling?

I dont see a need to reduce the amount of people in our country and shrink our economy. I’d focus on deporting criminals, securing our border, attracting the best and brightest to work in our companies and attend our universities, and speed up the god awful immigration system that’s currently in place

Are you trying to prove you support open borders?

You're doing a good job of it.

The best and the brightest aren't coming from Mexico, dumbass. Has anyone from Mexico ever won a Nobel Prize? Developed a life saving drug? Invented some trillion dollar technology?

You crack me up...

The Three Mexican Nobel Prize Winners

A politician, an author and a "scientist" who supposedly proved that Ozone was a problem. In other words he was an environmental activist. None of these were for actual science, like inventing the transistor or unraveling the structure of DNA.

So what??? You’re the one who asked if they ever got a Nobel prize like it carried some prestigious weight and yes they got 3

 

[Slade3200]

I’d vote for people who can write and pass laws to improve the system and funding to implement and enforce

I asked a simple and direct question, and you dodged.


The fact is revealed. YOu are not prepared to support ANY attempt to enforce ANY limits on the flow of Third World aliens into our nation.

That is your position, yet you are too dishonest to be upfront about it. You hide and lie, because you know that being truthful would reveal that your position is not based on anything to do with what is good for your fellow Americans.

I didn’t dodge, I gave a direct answer. I can’t read your mind and my answers don’t seem to be satisfying you. So why don’t you just ask me about a specific measure and I’ll tell you if I support it or not

THe answer that you refuse to honestly give, yet constantly reveal, is that you are not prepared to support any serious attempt to enforce any limitation on people coming here.

Sure I am... I just don’t know what YOU consider serious

He considers a proposal serious if it would actually reduce the number of illegals in this country. Everything you have proposed would increase the number of illegals.

Thank you for speaking for him... got dumb and dumber here

 

[Slade3200]

I’d vote for people who can write and pass laws to improve the system and funding to implement and enforce

I asked a simple and direct question, and you dodged.


The fact is revealed. YOu are not prepared to support ANY attempt to enforce ANY limits on the flow of Third World aliens into our nation.

That is your position, yet you are too dishonest to be upfront about it. You hide and lie, because you know that being truthful would reveal that your position is not based on anything to do with what is good for your fellow Americans.

I didn’t dodge, I gave a direct answer. I can’t read your mind and my answers don’t seem to be satisfying you. So why don’t you just ask me about a specific measure and I’ll tell you if I support it or not

THe answer that you refuse to honestly give, yet constantly reveal, is that you are not prepared to support any serious attempt to enforce any limitation on people coming here.

Sure I am... I just don’t know what YOU consider serious

No, you aren't. YOu demonstrated that, when I asked you what steps you would support to enforce the limitations you supposedly supported, and you all you could come up with was "voting for someone to improve the system and implement and enforce".


You could not even envision a lie you could pretend to support.

That’s because I’m being honest. I’m not going to get a gun and go guard the border. Or go protest somewhere. I got my own shit going on so when you ask what I’m going to do, my answer is support measures or reps I agree with. I’m guessing the same is true for you.

 

[Slade3200]

All the people in the world have always had the opportunity to come here and try to make it. They used to come over in ships all the time... guess what, they all never came at once. Crazy phenomenon, I know.

1. No they did not.


2. Your position is not compatible with a survivable America.

I disagree

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Oh? When is the next time you expect California to vote for a Republican President?

If we had a popular vote or a different electoral system then the rep prez would get millions of votes from Cali

 

[Unkotare]

...Anyone coming since Trump was elected is sitting in an internment camp on the border.

That is not true. You don't know much about this, do you? You're just here to vent political partisanship, aren't you?

I asked you if you are working with ANYONE who came across the Southern Border since Trump was elected....

And I said YES.

 

[keepitreal]

They should of they’ve committed violent crimes. Of not them it becomes a question of process. We can’t ship 10 million people out of the country so there should be a different kind of penalty... fines or community service etc

Why would you believe that we’re incapable of enforcing our laws? Mexicrats have simply rendered our immigration and deportation laws useless...There are other ways....shit, Ike did it with very little resources not long ago.

Each taxpayer pays $100 per day for each illegal
Happy Now libbies(who work and pay taxes)?

We all know those are not honest numbers. Stop lying.

Here’s an honesty test. In your stats, how much money is being added to our economy by illegal immigrants?

We don’t pretend that illegals actions have a good result; that’s feelings driven libbie land.

I’m not pretending I’m asking a statistical question. If no revenue is gained then the answer is zero. Is that what your answer is? Zero?

ILLEGAL ALIEN STOLE $10.8 MILLION IN FRAUDULENT TAX REFUNDS
May 5, 2016 by Dave Gibson


The Knoxville News-Sentinel

A Honduran who helped craft a $10.8 million scam to rip off an IRS program designed to allow illegal immigrants to collect income tax refunds pleaded guilty Tuesday.

Amado Valdez-Morales, an illegal immigrant already deported once, entered guilty pleas Tuesday in U.S. District Court to charges of conspiracy to defraud the U.S., conspiracy to commit money laundering and illegal re-entry by a previously deported alien.

He is one of two illegal immigrants Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Dale has said hatched a plan to use a special IRS program in which undocumented workers are given individual tax identification numbers to file income taxes — and in the lion’s share of cases to collect hefty refunds — to make a fortune off the U.S. government. The second leader of the group, also a Honduran, fled the U.S. before his capture in the case and has not been identified in court records.

Also charged in the scheme, which began in 2012, are several naturalized citizens who operated either check-cashing businesses catering to Hispanics and took a cut from every falsely-obtained tax return check cashed, or, in the case of insurance agent Mayra Edith Blair, prepared the bogus tax returns. Of the 11 defendants charged last year after a probe by IRS Criminal Investigation Division agents Danielle Barto and Brian Grove, six have struck deals to plead guilty.

The IRS in 1996 began issuing tax identification numbers for use by illegal immigrants. The program allowed illegal immigrants to take advantage of a child tax credit similar to the earned income tax credit offered single parents who are legal citizens.

Under the scheme hatched by Valdez and the Honduran fugitive, fake Mexican, Honduran and Guatemalan identification documents were obtained for use by Blair, whose employees prepared false tax returns that typically spanned three tax years and claimed several child dependents. Valdez provided addresses and passed out the checks to various co-conspirators, who were paid a cut to cash the checks. The indicted store owners also took a cut. Valdez and his fugitive partner took the rest.

In one day alone, a co-conspirator cashed roughly $500,000 in falsely-obtained tax returns. An indictment in the case put the total of refund checks cashed during the conspiracy at 2,400 between January 2012 and November 2014, totaling $10.8 million.

United States Illegal Alien Crime Report

 

[WTH_Progs?]

he isn't so much a Christian as he is a trumptian.

Say OP, what would you suggest other than camps?

This has NOTHING to do with Christianity, and surely doesn't make Pence any less Christian. You're short on material.

 

[Slade3200]

Why would you believe that we’re incapable of enforcing our laws? Mexicrats have simply rendered our immigration and deportation laws useless...There are other ways....shit, Ike did it with very little resources not long ago.

Each taxpayer pays $100 per day for each illegal
Happy Now libbies(who work and pay taxes)?

We all know those are not honest numbers. Stop lying.

Here’s an honesty test. In your stats, how much money is being added to our economy by illegal immigrants?

We don’t pretend that illegals actions have a good result; that’s feelings driven libbie land.

I’m not pretending I’m asking a statistical question. If no revenue is gained then the answer is zero. Is that what your answer is? Zero?

ILLEGAL ALIEN STOLE $10.8 MILLION IN FRAUDULENT TAX REFUNDS
May 5, 2016 by Dave Gibson


The Knoxville News-Sentinel

A Honduran who helped craft a $10.8 million scam to rip off an IRS program designed to allow illegal immigrants to collect income tax refunds pleaded guilty Tuesday.

Amado Valdez-Morales, an illegal immigrant already deported once, entered guilty pleas Tuesday in U.S. District Court to charges of conspiracy to defraud the U.S., conspiracy to commit money laundering and illegal re-entry by a previously deported alien.

He is one of two illegal immigrants Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Dale has said hatched a plan to use a special IRS program in which undocumented workers are given individual tax identification numbers to file income taxes — and in the lion’s share of cases to collect hefty refunds — to make a fortune off the U.S. government. The second leader of the group, also a Honduran, fled the U.S. before his capture in the case and has not been identified in court records.

Also charged in the scheme, which began in 2012, are several naturalized citizens who operated either check-cashing businesses catering to Hispanics and took a cut from every falsely-obtained tax return check cashed, or, in the case of insurance agent Mayra Edith Blair, prepared the bogus tax returns. Of the 11 defendants charged last year after a probe by IRS Criminal Investigation Division agents Danielle Barto and Brian Grove, six have struck deals to plead guilty.

The IRS in 1996 began issuing tax identification numbers for use by illegal immigrants. The program allowed illegal immigrants to take advantage of a child tax credit similar to the earned income tax credit offered single parents who are legal citizens.

Under the scheme hatched by Valdez and the Honduran fugitive, fake Mexican, Honduran and Guatemalan identification documents were obtained for use by Blair, whose employees prepared false tax returns that typically spanned three tax years and claimed several child dependents. Valdez provided addresses and passed out the checks to various co-conspirators, who were paid a cut to cash the checks. The indicted store owners also took a cut. Valdez and his fugitive partner took the rest.

In one day alone, a co-conspirator cashed roughly $500,000 in falsely-obtained tax returns. An indictment in the case put the total of refund checks cashed during the conspiracy at 2,400 between January 2012 and November 2014, totaling $10.8 million.

United States Illegal Alien Crime Report

Great, another one who can’t answer a question. Why do you even bother responding?

 

[bripat9643]

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Yes you do, you lying piece of shit. You said "they deserve a shot at it."

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty.

They do deserve a shot and deportation is not the only form of punishment. You’re wrong

No, .they don't deserve a shot, and deportation is the only penalty the removes the incentive for crossing the border.

If the penalty for robbing $100,000 from a bank was a $1000 fine, would that deter anyone from robbing a bank? Nope. Bank robbers would laugh at that. The penalty has to be greater than the value of the thing obtained illegally. So what penalty do you propose that would actually deter anyone from crossing our border?

The last time I checked Eye for an eye was in the Bible not in the constitution.

ROFL! You are a ******* joke. I didn't say anything like that. Obviously, you only support penalties that won't have any affect.

Who do you think you're fooling? You're a big fat liar. That much is obvious.

Now, I asked you what you propose that would actually reduce illegal immigration. You just made it obvious that you have nothing to propose.

 

[bripat9643]

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Yes you do, you lying piece of shit. You said "they deserve a shot at it."

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty.

They do deserve a shot and deportation is not the only form of punishment. You’re wrong

No, .they don't deserve a shot, and deportation is the only penalty the removes the incentive for crossing the border.

If the penalty for robbing $100,000 from a bank was a $1000 fine, would that deter anyone from robbing a bank? Nope. Bank robbers would laugh at that. The penalty has to be greater than the value of the thing obtained illegally. So what penalty do you propose that would actually deter anyone from crossing our border?

Some form of community or military service.

Nope. You could get half of Mexico to do military service in exchange for US citizenship. Americans do it even though they are already citizens. In the military they get paid and they get valuable training. That won't discourage a thing.

 

[bripat9643]

Changing the law to make what they did legal isn't what I was referring to, dumbass. When I say "reduce the number of illegals in the country," I mean change where they are located to be outside of our borders.

All you're doing is proving that you support open borders.

Who do you think you're fooling?

I dont see a need to reduce the amount of people in our country and shrink our economy. I’d focus on deporting criminals, securing our border, attracting the best and brightest to work in our companies and attend our universities, and speed up the god awful immigration system that’s currently in place

Are you trying to prove you support open borders?

You're doing a good job of it.

The best and the brightest aren't coming from Mexico, dumbass. Has anyone from Mexico ever won a Nobel Prize? Developed a life saving drug? Invented some trillion dollar technology?

You crack me up...

The Three Mexican Nobel Prize Winners

A politician, an author and a "scientist" who supposedly proved that Ozone was a problem. In other words he was an environmental activist. None of these were for actual science, like inventing the transistor or unraveling the structure of DNA.

So what??? You’re the one who asked if they ever got a Nobel prize like it carried some prestigious weight and yes they got 3

Obviously I meant a science Nobel Prize. I real one. Not bullshit political pandering.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't give a shit what your rationalization is. The claim that we don't have the right to determine who enters this country is beyond stupid. It doesn't matter how we got here. People living in large parts of Asia got there because Genghis Khan invaded and slaughtered tens of millions of them in the process. Does that mean anyone who wants to emigrate to Ukraine has a right to do so?

show me where I claimed we don’t have the right to control our borders? Quote me. Now stop lying

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

You are for amnesty. You're a ******* liar.

Only for dreamers

That's still amnesty. And you have supported amnesty for the rest as well. You just call it "comprehensive immigration reform."

 

[bripat9643]

I asked a simple and direct question, and you dodged.


The fact is revealed. YOu are not prepared to support ANY attempt to enforce ANY limits on the flow of Third World aliens into our nation.

That is your position, yet you are too dishonest to be upfront about it. You hide and lie, because you know that being truthful would reveal that your position is not based on anything to do with what is good for your fellow Americans.

I didn’t dodge, I gave a direct answer. I can’t read your mind and my answers don’t seem to be satisfying you. So why don’t you just ask me about a specific measure and I’ll tell you if I support it or not

THe answer that you refuse to honestly give, yet constantly reveal, is that you are not prepared to support any serious attempt to enforce any limitation on people coming here.

Sure I am... I just don’t know what YOU consider serious

He considers a proposal serious if it would actually reduce the number of illegals in this country. Everything you have proposed would increase the number of illegals.

Thank you for speaking for him... got dumb and dumber here

That's a diversion, not an answer.

 

[Correll]

If everyone in the world, can come here, we will be flooded with non Americans, until America is not longer America in anything but name, if even that.


Obviously.


The only question is why you want that.

I don’t want that nor do I think everybody in the world would all come here... how do I know? Because that’s never happened

Yes you do, you lying piece of shit. You said "they deserve a shot at it."

The Democrats official position is for AMNESTY for ILLEGAL Aliens. That incentivizes people coming here illegally and is effectively OPEN BORDERS as it does not penalize these criminals but rewards them. America haters of course support this position.

You are thus FOR Amnesty and therefore Open Borders which isn't controlling our borders.

I’m not for amnesty. I think they should be held accountable but not necessarily by deportation. Dreamers I think should be made legal.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty.

They do deserve a shot and deportation is not the only form of punishment. You’re wrong

No, .they don't deserve a shot, and deportation is the only penalty the removes the incentive for crossing the border.

If the penalty for robbing $100,000 from a bank was a $1000 fine, would that deter anyone from robbing a bank? Nope. Bank robbers would laugh at that. The penalty has to be greater than the value of the thing obtained illegally. So what penalty do you propose that would actually deter anyone from crossing our border?

Some form of community or military service.