Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[montelatici]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

You do know what a manifesto is don't you ?

You certainly don't.

 

[Phoenall]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is founded on terrorism, yet you support Israel.

From UN Resolution AC/364 of 3 September 1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine..."

More manipulated UN archive material

No, just a direct quote from the UN Resolution. I see that now that the facts are irrefutable and prove that all you post is Zionist propaganda, you will now claim that direct verbatim quotes from UN Resolutions are "manipulated". It's like the silly "customary international law" technique in a new guise. You have lost Phoney, everything you believe is false.

A manipulated quote to say what you believe. You have been shown to do this a lot, and not only on here.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

You do know what a manifesto is don't you ?

You certainly don't.

I do as I have received about 20 today from all the political parties after election next month. It is just their proposals of what they promise to do when they are elected into power. It is not a change of their parties charter or rules.


manifesto - definition of manifesto in English from the Oxford dictionary

A public declaration of policy and aims, especially one issued before an election by a political party or candidate:

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

You do know what a manifesto is don't you ?

You certainly don't.

I do as I have received about 20 today from all the political parties after election next month. It is just their proposals of what they promise to do when they are elected into power. It is not a change of their parties charter or rules.


manifesto - definition of manifesto in English from the Oxford dictionary

A public declaration of policy and aims, especially one issued before an election by a political party or candidate:

 

[Phoenall]

From an interview that Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign, Francis Boyle ......He stated:

I spoke with the head military lawyer for the IDF, Joel Zinger. And I said

… “It’s clear you people are inflicting Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians. Exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What’s your explanation?”
He said: “Military necessity.”

I said: “That argument was rejected at Nuremberg when the lawyers for the Nazis made it.”

.....And then he said: “Well, we have public relations people in the United States … and they handle these matters for us.”

That isnt a response.
Do you think Hamas is not pledged to Israel's destruction?

That isnt a response.
Do you think Hamas is not pledged to Israel's destruction

NO, in the same that you nitwits disagree with whatever the current president states or proposes to do, I do not believe that all Palestinians neither have pledged to the destruction of Israel, nor that their support of Hamas is sacrosanct.

You are right There is no PROOF that ALL PALESTINIANS want to destroy Israel------just as there is no PROOF all americans wanted to fight Germany in
the 1940s -------it is just the GOVERNMENT OF GAZA and it was just the
GOVERNMENT OF THE USA --------were you born to an English speaking family?

NO, I was not......

But more to the point.....If a foreigner asked you if the Obama administration spoke for ALL Americans, what would be your answer?

Now, I've got work to do...Thanks for the lively debate.

(and in the same way that you feel that Hamas has pledged destruction of Israel........consider what the Likud Party has stated about what the future of Palestine should be.)

I would say be thinks he does, and acts accordingly.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is founded on terrorism, yet you support Israel.

From UN Resolution AC/364 of 3 September 1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine..."

More manipulated UN archive material

No, just a direct quote from the UN Resolution. I see that now that the facts are irrefutable and prove that all you post is Zionist propaganda, you will now claim that direct verbatim quotes from UN Resolutions are "manipulated". It's like the silly "customary international law" technique in a new guise. You have lost Phoney, everything you believe is false.

A manipulated quote to say what you believe. You have been shown to do this a lot, and not only on here.

Just a direct quote from the UN Resolution, no manipulation. What I believe is fact, that's what irks you. What you believe is fantasy and propaganda.

I have never been shown to manipulate quotes LIAR.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hamas is a terrorist scum sucking sheep ******* bunch of assholes. That's how we settle it. Let's send them to Allah. Then we can send the Fatah assholes. When the Palis come up with someone who actually cares about governing over lining his own pockets we can talk statehood.

Who the Pals choose to represent them, is none of your ******* business, asshole!

Well yeaah it is when they pick scumbags who are intent on destroying Israel and killing Jews. Now go **** yourself.

 

[The Rabbi]

The Question: Why the people living in Gaza can't go somewhere else?

The Answer: Since they were busy pissing off the Egyptians (Which instantly shoot border trespassers ) and the Israelis for quite a long time - they have nowhere to seek asylum but they can and do leave Gaza if they are allowed to cross borders internationally with the relevant passports.

By the way the right wing *Radicals were those willing to pay 1m NIS for them to leave willingly and look where it got them.

You're full of shit!

A Palestinian author was unable to attend a book signing in New York, because you fuckers wouldn't let her leave Gaza.

Don't give me this bullshit! They can't even fish or farm without you fuckers shooting at them.

Link?

 

[nat4900]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
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And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?

 

[The Rabbi]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
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And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?

Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?

 

[nat4900]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?

Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
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And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?
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reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?
Click to expand...
Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?


Only just as much as you are denying that the Likud party is "dedicated to the destruction" of Palestinians.....

Get your yarmukle out of your ears and eyes, rabbi........whether you know it or not (and you probably don't as an Israeli ass-kisser.....your ilk is contributing to MORE Israelis getting killed.

 

[aris2chat]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?

Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...
And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?
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reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?
Click to expand...
Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?


Only just as much as you are denying that the Likud party is "dedicated to the destruction" of Palestinians.....

Get your yarmukle out of your ears and eyes, rabbi........whether you know it or not (and you probably don't as an Israeli ass-kisser.....your ilk is contributing to MORE Israelis getting killed.

platforms change and many politician disregard their platforms after the elections.

 

[The Rabbi]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?

Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...
And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?
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reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?
Click to expand...
Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?


Only just as much as you are denying that the Likud party is "dedicated to the destruction" of Palestinians.....

Get your yarmukle out of your ears and eyes, rabbi........whether you know it or not (and you probably don't as an Israeli ass-kisser.....your ilk is contributing to MORE Israelis getting killed.

You are deflecting. I am asking you whether Hamas' charter today calls for the destruction of Israel. I dont care about Likud from 20 years ago.
The answer is Yes, Hamas is dedicated today to the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews. Israel is dedicated to keeping its territorial integrity and security and living in peace with its neighbors.
There's the difference. All your spin, irrelevant comments and comparison, and deflections are merely cover for your bullshit.

 

[nat4900]

I am NOT taking Hamas' side regarding their statement to destroy Israel....and, accordingly that statement was revoked.....

However, why should we excuse the Likud Party for their statement that they wanted to destroy any chance of a Palestinian state????

Is the above because Isarelis have more power in DC??? More money to spend with their lobbyists? Is it because Isarelis speak better English and therefore they're more of our "allies"??

 

[The Rabbi]

I am NOT taking Hamas' side regarding their statement to destroy Israel....and, accordingly that statement was revoked.....

However, why should we excuse the Likud Party for their statement that they wanted to destroy any chance of a Palestinian state????

Is the above because Isarelis have more power in DC??? More money to spend with their lobbyists? Is it because Isarelis speak bettwe English and therefore they're more of our "allies"??

The statemetn was not revoked. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is on their website, it is part of their charter, it is every day in their annoucements. Like yesterday, as a matter of fact.
Hamas Leader Calls for More Kidnappings of Israelis Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com

 

[nat4900]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?

Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...
And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?
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reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
Click to expand...

And now 16 years later what is the Likud platform today ?

Ah, phoney....typical right wing imbecillity...You're willing to let by-gones-be by-gone for the Likud party but NOT for Hamas?
Click to expand...
Are you still denying that Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction?


Only just as much as you are denying that the Likud party is "dedicated to the destruction" of Palestinians.....

Get your yarmukle out of your ears and eyes, rabbi........whether you know it or not (and you probably don't as an Israeli ass-kisser.....your ilk is contributing to MORE Israelis getting killed.

You are deflecting. I am asking you whether Hamas' charter today calls for the destruction of Israel. I dont care about Likud from 20 years ago.
The answer is Yes, Hamas is dedicated today to the destruction of Israel and the killing of Jews. Israel is dedicated to keeping its territorial integrity and security and living in peace with its neighbors.
There's the difference. All your spin, irrelevant comments and comparison, and deflections are merely cover for your bullshit.

I am asking you whether Hamas' charter today calls for the destruction of Israe

ONE MORE FREAKING TIME, rabbi........
Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian
Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories.

The manifesto makes no mention of the destruction of the Jewish state and instead takes a more ambiguous position by saying that Hamas had decided to compete in the elections because it would contribute to "the establishment of an independent state whose capital is Jerusalem".
The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

 

[aris2chat]

I am NOT taking Hamas' side regarding their statement to destroy Israel....and, accordingly that statement was revoked.....

However, why should we excuse the Likud Party for their statement that they wanted to destroy any chance of a Palestinian state????

Is the above because Isarelis have more power in DC??? More money to spend with their lobbyists? Is it because Isarelis speak bettwe English and therefore they're more of our "allies"??

The statemetn was not revoked. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is on their website, it is part of their charter, it is every day in their annoucements. Like yesterday, as a matter of fact.
Hamas Leader Calls for More Kidnappings of Israelis Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com

It was temporarily suspended for the 2006 election so they could attract more mainstream voters.
Hamas has not allowed an election since.

 

[nat4900]

I am NOT taking Hamas' side regarding their statement to destroy Israel....and, accordingly that statement was revoked.....

However, why should we excuse the Likud Party for their statement that they wanted to destroy any chance of a Palestinian state????

Is the above because Isarelis have more power in DC??? More money to spend with their lobbyists? Is it because Isarelis speak bettwe English and therefore they're more of our "allies"??

The statemetn was not revoked. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is on their website, it is part of their charter, it is every day in their annoucements. Like yesterday, as a matter of fact.
Hamas Leader Calls for More Kidnappings of Israelis Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com

BULLSHIT, rabbi...you are citing something out of the Times in Israel, about ONE nutjob within Hamas....that is NOT part of the Hamas' Charter or Manifesto.....

Stick those links right up your Jewish behind.

 

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I am NOT taking Hamas' side regarding their statement to destroy Israel....and, accordingly that statement was revoked.....

However, why should we excuse the Likud Party for their statement that they wanted to destroy any chance of a Palestinian state????

Is the above because Isarelis have more power in DC??? More money to spend with their lobbyists? Is it because Isarelis speak bettwe English and therefore they're more of our "allies"??

The statemetn was not revoked. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. It is on their website, it is part of their charter, it is every day in their annoucements. Like yesterday, as a matter of fact.
Hamas Leader Calls for More Kidnappings of Israelis Jewish Israel News Algemeiner.com

In general, the Palestinians what to do to the Jews what the Jews did to them. I don't think it is unusual, do you? Israel was dedicated to the destruction of an independent Palestine thru the creation of a Jewish state on more than half of Palestine.