Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[SAYIT]

Indeed, leadership is a serious problem.

Fatah/PA is a western construct (with all of the western corruption) that does not represent the people.

Hamas's only redeeming value is that it is not Fatah...

Woo ... so you are capable of honest, rational thought. I was worried about you, GP.

 

[Daniyel]

The Question: Why the people living in Gaza can't go somewhere else?

The Answer: Since they were busy pissing off the Egyptians (Which instantly shoot border trespassers ) and the Israelis for quite a long time - they have nowhere to seek asylum but they can and do leave Gaza if they are allowed to cross borders internationally with the relevant passports.

By the way the right wing *Radicals were those willing to pay 1m NIS for them to leave willingly and look where it got them.

 

[Phoenall]

Although most right wingers cannot stomach the Huffington Post....This article addresses a depressing truth for average Palestinians caught in the crossfire.

Why Don t Palestinians Just Leave Gaza They Can t.

As airstrikes have rained down on Gaza in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee their homes. Some received leaflets and phone calls from the Israeli army, urging them to evacuate ahead of fighting. Others simply feared that the airstrikes, tank shells and cross-fire might take their lives and those of their loved ones.

Yet for many Gaza residents, there are few secure places left to seek shelter. In fact, many don't have the slightest chance of exiting the enclave.

Here's why:

OVER LAND

The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

So Israel is inside gaza restricting movement in and out. Don't make me laugh as hamas closes the crossing more often than Israel or Egypt do. As for safety there are many places were the Israelis have not bombed because the hamas elite go there for food. Then there are the green fields that make up half of gaza, the hamas cowards don't fire from them beause they would get killed.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas is a terrorist scum sucking sheep ******* bunch of assholes. That's how we settle it. Let's send them to Allah. Then we can send the Fatah assholes. When the Palis come up with someone who actually cares about governing over lining his own pockets we can talk statehood.

Who the Pals choose to represent them, is none of your ******* business, asshole!

 

[Billo_Really]

The Question: Why the people living in Gaza can't go somewhere else?

The Answer: Since they were busy pissing off the Egyptians (Which instantly shoot border trespassers ) and the Israelis for quite a long time - they have nowhere to seek asylum but they can and do leave Gaza if they are allowed to cross borders internationally with the relevant passports.

By the way the right wing *Radicals were those willing to pay 1m NIS for them to leave willingly and look where it got them.

You're full of shit!

A Palestinian author was unable to attend a book signing in New York, because you fuckers wouldn't let her leave Gaza.

Don't give me this bullshit! They can't even fish or farm without you fuckers shooting at them.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas is the cause of the airstrikes.

No Hamas firing rockets or digging tunnels into Israel for terrorist attacks, no airstrikes. Simple.

Kind of like Don't pull a gun on a bunch of heavily armed cops, don't get shot.

Understand now?

Hey asshole, since Aug. 26 of last year, there have been over 400 airstrikes and Israeli shootings at Palestinian fishermen and farmers, but only 5 rockets back during that entire time.

So shove that "Hamas is the cause..." bullshit, up your ******* ass!

 

[Billo_Really]

Penelope

The fact that terrorist attacks in Israel are down right now is proof their fight against the Hamas terrorists is working (although Israel does still get hit). That's good news for Israel and anyone else who wants to end terrorism.

Seems to be bad news for you, though. That's telling.

Yeah there's terrorists in Israel, its called the Likud Party.

 

[Obiwan]

Billo

From your posts, it's evident Israel is taking out a lot of rockets. They are also finding quite a few terrorist tunnels.

Maybe Obama could learn a few things about fighting the "JV Team" from them....

 

[Phoenall]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Just go back to 2005 and look at the train of events, Israel upped sticks and left gaza unoccupied and the rockets rained down on Israel at the rate of 500 a day. No occupation, no blockade and no Israeli people in gaza and still the rockets were fired at Israeli civilians. It took a full 9 months of constant rocket fire before the terrorists in gaza had even a whisper of an excuse when a Palestinian pretending to be farming was shot placing an IED.
So you see Israel is just responding to those attacks and not starting them, you can trace everything back to 2005 and see that it is arab muslim terrorists that fire the first shot.

 

[Lipush]

Penelope

The fact that terrorist attacks in Israel are down right now is proof their fight against the Hamas terrorists is working (although Israel does still get hit). That's good news for Israel and anyone else who wants to end terrorism.

Seems to be bad news for you, though. That's telling.

Yeah there's terrorists in Israel, its called the Likud Party.

Likud are social terrorists.

Leftists are active physical terrorists.

With Likud I can still somehow live with.

 

[Phoenall]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is the cause of the airstrikes.

No Hamas firing rockets or digging tunnels into Israel for terrorist attacks, no airstrikes. Simple.

Kind of like Don't pull a gun on a bunch of heavily armed cops, don't get shot.

Understand now?

Yep, Israelis are getting killed and their cities and homes destroyed constantly. Ha Ha.

Nope because they have the intelligence to stop the terrorists from getting the weapons to do this. But hamas is watching its people get killed in their thousands for nothing, and seeing them homeless because they allow illegal rocket sites on their property.

 

[Phoenall]

Apparently, the Palestinians need to solve everyone's problem by getting rid of the Hamas terrorists.

No terrorists firing rockets, no airstrikes to take them out, no problems.

Well you'd need to reconcile the issue whether Hamas is a cause or an effect.

Hamas is a terrorist scum sucking sheep ******* bunch of assholes. That's how we settle it. Let's send them to Allah. Then we can send the Fatah assholes. When the Palis come up with someone who actually cares about governing over lining his own pockets we can talk statehood.

Indeed, leadership is a serious problem.

Fatah/PA is a western construct (with all of the western corruption) that does not represent the people.

Hamas's only redeeming value is that it is not Fatah.

I have posted many Palestinians here: Who Are The Palestinians US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum many of whom would be better leaders and actually are leading the ME to peace.

Fatah are the PLO and are founded on terrorism.

Hamas are the muslim brotherhood and are founded on terrorism

Palestine the nation was founded on terrorist principles so the only way to achieve peace is to remove all 3 and start from a clean slate.

 

[Phoenall]

Penelope

The fact that terrorist attacks in Israel are down right now is proof their fight against the Hamas terrorists is working (although Israel does still get hit). That's good news for Israel and anyone else who wants to end terrorism.

Seems to be bad news for you, though. That's telling.

Yeah there's terrorists in Israel, its called the Likud Party.

What are you using, whatever it is you need to stop before it kills your brain completely

 

[Phoenall]

Where did the hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees currently "living" in Gaza come from? The came from villages like Najd in 1948.
Sderot - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Sderot was founded in 1951 on lands that belonged to the Palestinian Arab village of Najd[6]and is located a few miles south of the village's ruins. On 13 May 1948, Najd was occupied by the Negev Brigade as part ofOperation Barak, and the villagers were driven out[7] to Gaza."
They came from the crime of ethnic cleansing that brought the racist Jewish state into existence.

Not ethnic cleansing to rid your nation of fifth columnists and moles

 

[Phoenall]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

So you are saying that according to International law Israel now owns all but the green bits. Wow does Israel know about this ?

 

[montelatici]

Israel is founded on terrorism, yet you support Israel.

From UN Resolution AC/364 of 3 September 1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine..."

 

[Phoenall]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

sit tight----wait for the "MISTRANSLATION" excuse

Cant be. Look at the charter of Hamas. They say right there they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It doesnt get more explicit than that.

Yet only this year on this board team Palestine were saying that it is no longer in the hamas charter, and that it has been removed from the PLO charter as well. Then pointing to the hamas manifesto and the PLO meeting setting up for an eventual full council meeting.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is founded on terrorism, yet you support Israel.

From UN Resolution AC/364 of 3 September 1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine..."

More manipulated UN archive material

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

You do know what a manifesto is don't you ?

 

[montelatici]

Israel is founded on terrorism, yet you support Israel.

From UN Resolution AC/364 of 3 September 1947


""The right of any community to use force as a means of gaining its political ends is riot admitted in the British Commonwealth. Since the beginning of 1945 the Jews have implicitly claimed this right and have supported by an organized campaign of lawlessness, murder and sabotage their contention that, whatever other interests might be concerned, nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of a Jewish State and free Jewish immigration into Palestine..."

More manipulated UN archive material

No, just a direct quote from the UN Resolution. I see that now that the facts are irrefutable and prove that all you post is Zionist propaganda, you will now claim that direct verbatim quotes from UN Resolutions are "manipulated". It's like the silly "customary international law" technique in a new guise. You have lost Phoney, everything you believe is false.