Why Palestinians don't just leave Gaza?? Difficul to do!

[irosie91]

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

you failed to answer the question------did arabs OWN the land of NAJD---and that extra land miles away
that became SDEROT? Arab "towns" back then
consisted MOSTLY of shanty shacks simply put there
by arabs-----on land not privately owned. I do not dispute that there was likely a NAJD-----but the idea that arabs owned the land privately or some land
nearby ----is very unlikely. "ruins"?? there are "ruins"? ruins of what? If there were actually houses--abandoned there-----then Israel would have used them----there was a very severe housing shortage
back then. Try to stick to reality

 

[The Rabbi]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

 

[irosie91]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

sit tight----wait for the "MISTRANSLATION" excuse

 

[The Rabbi]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

sit tight----wait for the "MISTRANSLATION" excuse

Cant be. Look at the charter of Hamas. They say right there they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It doesnt get more explicit than that.

 

[irosie91]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

sit tight----wait for the "MISTRANSLATION" excuse

Cant be. Look at the charter of Hamas. They say right there they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It doesnt get more explicit than that.

it is written in Arabic------in Arabic those words are POETRY

 

[nat4900]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

YES, I disagree since it is not a "fact".......again you're making an assumption based on either Israeli or Hamas propaganda.

 

[The Rabbi]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

YES, I disagree since it is not a "fact".......again you're making an assumption based on either Israeli or Hamas propaganda.

What would persuade you that this is a fact? If I cited the Hamas Charter would that persuade you? If I posted an article that asked about Palestinian attitudes to Israel would that persuade you? Or is any contrary information simply to be dismissed as "propaganda"?

 

[irosie91]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

YES, I disagree since it is not a "fact".......again you're making an assumption based on either Israeli or Hamas propaganda.

Nat----take a deep breath----you just accused the gazan elected government
of gaza, to wit HAMAS -----of publishing jew-hate as a favor to israel

 

[nat4900]

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

you failed to answer the question------did arabs OWN the land of NAJD---and that extra land miles away
that became SDEROT? Arab "towns" back then
consisted MOSTLY of shanty shacks simply put there
by arabs-----on land not privately owned. I do not dispute that there was likely a NAJD-----but the idea that arabs owned the land privately or some land
nearby ----is very unlikely. "ruins"?? there are "ruins"? ruins of what? If there were actually houses--abandoned there-----then Israel would have used them----there was a very severe housing shortage
back then. Try to stick to reality

The above reminds me of what colonists did to American Indians.....

The concept of "ownership" of land was just silly to Indians...and they snickered (at first) when colonists asked them to place an "X" somewhere and they (the colonists) claimed to own land which according to the Indians, belonged to mother nature.

 

[The Rabbi]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

YES, I disagree since it is not a "fact".......again you're making an assumption based on either Israeli or Hamas propaganda.

Nat----take a deep breath----you just accused the gazan elected government
of gaza, to wit HAMAS -----of publishing jew-hate as a favor to israel

I wasnt going to point out the illogic of that. Just roll with it.

 

[irosie91]

From the Israeli government (Netanyahu's) point of view to the Israelis:

Those crazy Palestinians want to destroy Israel....Vote for us since we're the only ones that can protect you.....

From Hamas (Mashal's) point of you to the Palestinians:

Those land grabbing, colonists Israelis want the little bit of land you have left....Vote for us since we're the only ones who can bloody Israelis' noses and stop the bulldozers.

Ironic that Hamas calls itself "The Resistance".....(a term familiar to Jews)
Israel and the United States call them terrorists.

Hmm, just because someone claims something doesnt make it true. Let's test the hypothesis here:
Do Palestinians want to live in peace and harmony with Israel or do they want to destroy Israel?
Do Israwelis want to live in peace with Palestinians or do they want to destroy them?
Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.
Answer to the second questio is Israelis mostly want to be left alone.

So we see who the terrorists are here.

Answer to the first question is Palestinians are pledged publicly to destroy Israel.

Don't you feel just a tiny bit stupid to make such an assumption?

Should I counter by asking how many Palestinians' homes have been destroyed to make room for Israeli settlers?

Should we resurrect the map showing how Palestinian land has SHRUNK since the 1960s?

Israel cannot "be left alone" since Israel is the land grabbing culprit here....and if you had some measure of decency, you would label Palestinians as "cowards" were they to just simply accept Israeli aggression and land-grab.

This thread was meant to point out that Palestinians are TRAPPED in an ever-shrinking land base where they are basically held "prisoners" within those borders.

Of course, the cynical part of me would say that Israel's restrictions on Palestinians' travel is maybe because Israel needs the cheap labor of Palestinian workers ...and like farmers in the US who have "mixed feelings" about repatriating illegal Mexicans and Latinos, Israel needs a "captured" labor force.

I am not making any assumptions. Hamas is pledged to Israel's destruction. The vast majority of Palestinians believe in destroying Israel. That isnt an assumption. That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

That is simply fact. Do you disagree this is a fact?

YES, I disagree since it is not a "fact".......again you're making an assumption based on either Israeli or Hamas propaganda.

What would persuade you that this is a fact? If I cited the Hamas Charter would that persuade you? If I posted an article that asked about Palestinian attitudes to Israel would that persuade you? Or is any contrary information simply to be dismissed as "propaganda"?

give up----he was told to write "Israeli propaganda" over and over again.
When I first encountered muslims almost 50 years ago-----I heard
"Zionist controlled CIA" lots

 

[The Rabbi]

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

you failed to answer the question------did arabs OWN the land of NAJD---and that extra land miles away
that became SDEROT? Arab "towns" back then
consisted MOSTLY of shanty shacks simply put there
by arabs-----on land not privately owned. I do not dispute that there was likely a NAJD-----but the idea that arabs owned the land privately or some land
nearby ----is very unlikely. "ruins"?? there are "ruins"? ruins of what? If there were actually houses--abandoned there-----then Israel would have used them----there was a very severe housing shortage
back then. Try to stick to reality

The above reminds me of what colonists did to American Indians.....

The concept of "ownership" of land was just silly to Indians...and they snickered (at first) when colonists asked them to place an "X" somewhere and they (the colonists) claimed to own land which according to the Indians, belonged to mother nature.

That's nice. BUt irrelevant to this discussion, which deals with Arabs and land in the middle east.

 

[irosie91]

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

you failed to answer the question------did arabs OWN the land of NAJD---and that extra land miles away
that became SDEROT? Arab "towns" back then
consisted MOSTLY of shanty shacks simply put there
by arabs-----on land not privately owned. I do not dispute that there was likely a NAJD-----but the idea that arabs owned the land privately or some land
nearby ----is very unlikely. "ruins"?? there are "ruins"? ruins of what? If there were actually houses--abandoned there-----then Israel would have used them----there was a very severe housing shortage
back then. Try to stick to reality

The above reminds me of what colonists did to American Indians.....

The concept of "ownership" of land was just silly to Indians...and they snickered (at first) when colonists asked them to place an "X" somewhere and they (the colonists) claimed to own land which according to the Indians, belonged to mother nature.

right----but the concept of LAND OWNERSHIP was not silly to the arabs of
the middle east. Land ownership ----has been an established fact in
Israel/Judea and -----in general the entire LEVANT for more than 4000
years. There were nomads who just "set up" here and there---but doing so
did not establish LAND OWNERSHP. If you do not understand---feel free to ask
questions. There are complicating features. The fact is that SHRIAH LAW
pops in. Palestine at that time was not under shariah law----
but at times muslims simply disregard that fact. Sharia law is
ALLAH's law. Allah's law says ------ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST IS
MUSLIM LAND ----and jews simply do not own land at all. Lots of
people do not know this fact about allah and his law. It is very important
in understanding the present dynamics in the middle east
(btw-----hindus don't own land either) uhm what are you?
you probably cannot own land in ------in many countries----not for love or
money

 

[nat4900]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

 

[irosie91]

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

I am fascinated----by what legal instrument did some land miles south of an arab encampment come to be OWNED by the people of the encampment

We know how Jews came to OWN the land, don't we?
Operation Barak - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Operational orders defined the Giv'ati brigades objectives as: 'To deny the enemy a base ... creating general panic and breaking his morale ... cause the flight of the inhabitants of the smaller settlements in the area.'

"Commander Avidan's instructions were: 'You will determine alone, in consultation with your Arab affair advisers and Intelligence Service officer, the villages in your zone that should be occupied, cleaned up or destroyed.'

"According to historian Benny Morris, Avidan preferred the latter option.[1]"

you failed to answer the question------did arabs OWN the land of NAJD---and that extra land miles away
that became SDEROT? Arab "towns" back then
consisted MOSTLY of shanty shacks simply put there
by arabs-----on land not privately owned. I do not dispute that there was likely a NAJD-----but the idea that arabs owned the land privately or some land
nearby ----is very unlikely. "ruins"?? there are "ruins"? ruins of what? If there were actually houses--abandoned there-----then Israel would have used them----there was a very severe housing shortage
back then. Try to stick to reality

The above reminds me of what colonists did to American Indians.....

The concept of "ownership" of land was just silly to Indians...and they snickered (at first) when colonists asked them to place an "X" somewhere and they (the colonists) claimed to own land which according to the Indians, belonged to mother nature.

That's nice. BUt irrelevant to this discussion, which deals with Arabs and land in the middle east.

it is not relevant but is USED in islamo Nazi propaganda LOTS-----
it does impress many simple minded people who see arabs as
the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE

 

[irosie91]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

its back-----even ABBAS supports the TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL----
recently-----your statement is out of date by a long shot

 

[The Rabbi]

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto World news The Guardian

(Jan. 2006)

Hamas has dropped its call for the destruction of Israel from its manifesto for the Palestinian parliamentary election in a fortnight, a move that brings the group closer to the mainstream Palestinian position of building a state within the boundaries of the occupied territories. ......

The shift in emphasis comes as Hamas finds itself under pressure from the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and from foreign governments to accept Israel's right to exist and to end its violence if it wants to be accepted as a political partner in a future administration.

Someone has a short memory.
Hamas holds Gaza military parade vows Israel s destruction Reuters
Now are you still insisting Hamas is not dedicated to the destruction of Israel?

 

[nat4900]

From an interview that Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign, Francis Boyle ......He stated:

I spoke with the head military lawyer for the IDF, Joel Zinger. And I said

… “It’s clear you people are inflicting Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians. Exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What’s your explanation?”
He said: “Military necessity.”

I said: “That argument was rejected at Nuremberg when the lawyers for the Nazis made it.”

.....And then he said: “Well, we have public relations people in the United States … and they handle these matters for us.”

 

[The Rabbi]

From an interview that Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign, Francis Boyle ......He stated:

I spoke with the head military lawyer for the IDF, Joel Zinger. And I said

… “It’s clear you people are inflicting Nuremberg crimes on the Palestinians. Exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews. What’s your explanation?”
He said: “Military necessity.”

I said: “That argument was rejected at Nuremberg when the lawyers for the Nazis made it.”

.....And then he said: “Well, we have public relations people in the United States … and they handle these matters for us.”

That isnt a response.
Do you think Hamas is not pledged to Israel's destruction?

 

[nat4900]

My apologies for not getting the link to post on here...so, I know you won't entertain this assertion....nonetheless (for the sake of underscoring how TWO wrongs do not make a right) here it is:

Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.