Why Muslims Believe that Islam is the truth

[Arabian]

Why Muslims Believe that Islam is the truth


Many Christians & Jews don't know that Muslims believe in their prophets and holy books. Muslims believe that the Bible and the Torah were changed by people for their personal benefits. This is why God sent Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, not with a new religion, but to correct the people who had gone astray, those who were worshipping idols and being misguided by their forefathers

Islam is the last message to the world and God wants the miracle of Islam to be witnessed by the people from Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, time till the day of Judgment. The miracle is the Qu'ran, Muslims holy book
Many Christians & Jews don't know that Muslims believe in their prophets and holy books. Muslims believe that the Bible and the Torah were changed by people for their personal benefits. This is why God sent Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, not with a new religion, but to correct the people who had gone astray, those who were worshipping idols and being misguided by their forefathers

Islam is the last message to the world and God wants the miracle of Islam to be witnessed by the people from Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, time till the day of Judgment. The miracle is the Qu'ran, Muslims holy book
Why is the Qur'an a miracle

1- The Qu'ran is an untouchable book : After 1400 years, from the begining of Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, message, the Qu'ran has not changed in any way, even as a matter of one charachter. Prooving this is very easy, since you can compare all the versions of the Qu'ran everywhere in the world and you will find them all the same. God ensured that this book would be saved from any changes attempted by human beings. God said in the Qur'an : " We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption

2- The Qu'ran contains many scientific facts that have been discovered recently using computer systems and microscopes. Many scientists have attended conferences dealing with this subject and have themselves accepted Islam. These same scientists have said that it is not possible that Muhammad, peace be upon him, an illiterate man, who lived 1400 years ago, could have discovered such things on his own. God said in the Qur'an : "Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things" ( Quran 41:53 )

3- The Qu'ran, which is in Arabic, was revealed to the people of the Arabian Gulf who invented the Arabic language. Through Muhammad, peace be upon him, Allah challenged the people who claimed that a human wrote it to emulate such a book. No one from the time of the Prophet till now could write a book that contained the many scientific facts, miracles and similar effects on people that the Qu'ran did and still does today

4- The Qu'ran had not one Arabic grammar mistake, which was recognized by the disbelievers at the time of the Prophet, who were the founders of the Arabic language

These are a few examples of why Muslims believe in the Qur'an

Here are some verses from God to Muslims encouraging them to invite the People of the Book ( Jews and Christians to Islam ):

God said : {Say: "O People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, when Allah is Himself witness to all ye do?} (Quran 3:98

God tell Muslims to say : {..'We believe in that which had been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender} (Quran 29:46)

 

[dmp]

Until the Quran proclaims Christ as "God", It'll hold little value to Christians. Good post, though..thanks.

 

[wade]

Arabian - what scientific truths do you refer to? Can you point out some?

Thanks,

Wade.

 

[Arabian]

hi guys
1st thanx cuz you liked the post -=d=-
and i think we discussed something like that in http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11481
i hope you read my post their
and about you wade
i already gave some examles in the board

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11562
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11117
and dear wade if you want more you could visist this site
http://www.it-is-truth.org/Index.shtml
and if you wanna more you could mail me
and im happy cuz you liked my post :cof:

 

[Gem]

Arabian,

It is true that the region of the world that Islam emerged from and Islam itself produced many scientific achievements in the past. It was truly a remarkable area of the world and the people who lived their were deeply interested in mathematics, astronomy, and science.

So are you at all concerned now about what you see in that area of the world today? It seems that the Islam of present is not as interested in education and innovation as it once was. Some statistices have shown that Spain now publishes in one year the amount of literature the Middle East publishes in ten, radical mullahs keep out scientific achievements from the outside world while stifiling most everything but religious thought.

This area of the world used to be a leader in the areas of scientific achievement and education...and now one might argue that it is falling terribly, tragically behind.

Some might argue that it is the fundamentalists focus on religion that has done this to this part of the world...what are your thoughts?

 

[Comrade]

I'll comment on what you say, Arabian.

Why Muslims Believe that Islam is the truth

Many Christians & Jews don't know that Muslims believe in their prophets and holy books. Muslims believe that the Bible and the Torah were changed by people for their personal benefits. This is why God sent Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, not with a new religion, but to correct the people who had gone astray, those who were worshipping idols and being misguided by their forefathers

Everone is required to be misguided or else there is nothing to work with.

Jews were misguided Christians before both became misguided Muslims, and then all became misguided Mormans, Protestants, Catholics, etc.

But the tribes in the Middle East weren't anything but polytheists and heathens before Mohammad chose the moon god Allah to become supreme.

And with Allah came Mohammed as the sole word and ruler of Islam, nice deal!

Only until the empire grew to invade the lands of Jews and Christians did Islam need some excuse like "It's to correct them". And Allah must have seemed very pissed off as Mohammed explained. And either you listen and do what he says, or the 'almighty' will take a break and let Mohammed kill in his name. And so he did, in hundreds of towns, with senseless and bloodthirsty vigour for conquest.

And this still remains a primary venue of spreading Islam, because this is a written policy. Jesus was a pussy to Allah. Jesus had his crown of thorns and died helpless. Mohammed as sole tyrant of all Islam in his time was happy to kill helpless people to make a point. Jesus died a virgin and Mohammed kepts a stock of war booty, mostly Jewish girls, two who were made to watch every man in their town be lined up and beheaded along with their fathers and brothers and husbands. Then he got some Jew ass, either with a conversion by marriage or a sex slave role.

And when he died? What else but a Jew who poisoned him... years before he actually died. Poison science is tricky like that.

But Mohammed was all about kicking ass for God in his name, and the clerics who finally recorded the Koran still liked the idea of working in the name of Almighty God because Jew killing must be hard work for Allah himself?

Islam needs to GET OVER THE Jews!

Obviously all religions have taken their shot at hating Jews, because they all had to borrow from Judaism in the beginning.

Mohammed took one god of many, the Moon God "Allah", to be the supreme being for an otherwise rudimentary heathen and polytheist culture. From there the sword took it all the way to where the established Jewish towns stood in the way. In that case he slaughtered them by the townfull, often keeping young girls alive to choose as future wives or, on refusal of conversion to Islam, a sex slave. And such is the great argument for converting to a 'true' religion for them.

Allah seems pissed at Jews especially. Muslims are even encouraged to help do God's work in killing Jews, because is something the almighty likes to see, although it's all 'limited' to standards so vauge basically any Mullah can draw their own boundaries for their followers.

http://www.starlightresearch.com/Koranquotes.html

Islam is the last message to the world

Not really. There is Jehovah and Mormanism from the 1800's and later still some whacko at Jonestown but what's a prophet but someone people believe in anyway?

Or maybe you reject Mormanism because is newer?

That means the Christians can also reject Mohammad because he was newer.

And the Jews reject Christ and all else but Moses.

Which is why everyone hates Jews because they cann scoff at everyone else's knockoff prophets.

and God wants he miracle of Islam to be witnessed by the people from Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, time till the day of Judgment. The miracle is the Qu'ran, Muslims holy book

Why would anyone speak for God, like you do? All that means is you believe in something unprovable and feel a little conceit about it, don't you?

Many Christians & Jews don't know that Muslims believe in their prophets and holy books.

Of course they do. Christians use the Old Testament and obviously the Jews know that too. Most don't care what the Muslims do really, but it's obviously a knockoff, what with pork and stonings and the one God idea, new to most Arabs under Islam for the first time.

Why is the Qur'an a miracle

1- The Qu'ran is an untouchable book : After 1400 years, from the begining of Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, message, the Qu'ran has not changed in any way, even as a matter of one charachter. Prooving this is very easy, since you can compare all the versions of the Qu'ran everywhere in the world and you will find them all the same. God ensured that this book would be saved from any changes attempted by human beings. God said in the Qur'an : " We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption

Of course it should be untouchable, to be God's word it must be believed to be.

It was written after Muhammed's death by the clergy in power in his Islamic empire. I don't believe it was 'by God' but be free to believe what you want.

2- The Qu'ran contains many scientific facts that have been discovered recently using computer systems and microscopes. Many scientists have attended conferences dealing with this subject and have themselves accepted Islam. These same scientists have said that it is not possible that Muhammad, peace be upon him, an illiterate man, who lived 1400 years ago, could have discovered such things on his own. God said in the Qur'an : "Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things" ( Quran 41:53 )

Which is confusing now that Mohammed was dead when it was written. If God wrote a book on science it would circle the planet. And it would be 100% right. The Koran is wrong about science too, or so I would dare believe.

3- The Qu'ran, which is in Arabic, was revealed to the people of the Arabian Gulf who invented the Arabic language. Through Muhammad, peace be upon him, Allah challenged the people who claimed that a human wrote it to emulate such a book. No one from the time of the Prophet till now could write a book that contained the many scientific facts, miracles and similar effects on people that the Qu'ran did and still does today

Time warp? Mohammed was already dead when the Qu'ran was written, you with me?

4- The Qu'ran had not one Arabic grammar mistake, which was recognized by the disbelievers at the time of the Prophet, who were the founders of the Arabic language

Or maybe Arabic grammer was set out to emulate the Koran... just a thought.

These are a few examples of why Muslims believe in the Qur'an

I don't challenge your beliefs but simply wonder why no specifics are debatable. Everyone who blazes through unspecific reasons like that is not really exited about the science in particular, are they? No, most Muslims are just taught to be Muslims, like most everyone else in religious communities. And Muslims seriously have to get off state sponsored Islam to think straight about their choices. The West is far less religious than the Arab world in general, because of our choices.

Here are some verses from God to Muslims encouraging them to invite the People of the Book ( Jews and Christians to Islam ):

God said : {Say: "O People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, when Allah is Himself witness to all ye do?} (Quran 3:98

God tell Muslims to say : {..'We believe in that which had been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender} (Quran 29:46)

Muslims say God said that. Did he or is the book a manual for empire building? All the nastier commands about war and the treatment of non-believers aren't exactly recruiting material, are they?

Every religion has their road to Xenu, Islam just happens to be a freeway.

 

[Comrade]

I based much of the last post on this list of passages here:

http://www.starlightresearch.com/Koranquotes.html

Notable Qur'an and Hadith passages

Sura 2:190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
Sura 2:191

YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

Sura 5:10
YUSUFALI: Those who reject faith and deny our signs will be companions of Hell-fire.
PICKTHAL: And they who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, such are rightful owners of hell.
SHAKIR: And (as for) those who disbelieve and reject our communications, these are the companions of the name.

(Islam's clear instructions for dealing with those who disagree with Allah/Mohammed. Notice that it's up to the individual Muslim to determine what is 'mischief making,' and what isn't. Scary stuff.)

Sura 5:33
YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
Sura 5:34
YUSUFALI: Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

(Islam specifically points out Jews and Christians as their direct threats, yet there were (and still are) far more Hindus & Buddhists in the region of Muslims in that day. Isn't that interesting, the only two peoples whom God would directly have intervened with are pointed out in the Qur'an, despite the drastically larger numbers of other peoples in the area.)

Sura 5:51
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

(Now, a very long passage, the only long one I have given you. However, read it closely, it really says something. It builds an intense aura of distrust towards any but the true Muslim. This is quite scary if you ask me...)

It's much longer but this is what lies at the core of Islam's problems.

 

[5stringJeff]

Why Muslims Believe that Islam is the truth

Many Christians & Jews don't know that Muslims believe in their prophets and holy books. Muslims believe that the Bible and the Torah were changed by people for their personal benefits. This is why God sent Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, not with a new religion, but to correct the people who had gone astray, those who were worshipping idols and being misguided by their forefathers

OK... if Muslims believed in the Bible, they would believe that Jesus was teh Son of God as the Bible claims, not that he was just a prophet, as Islam claims. This whole "Muslims believe in the same God you do" claim is false and has been debunked elsewhere. The fact is that Muslims do not believe in the "prophets and holy books" of either Judaism or Christianity.

Islam is the last message to the world and God wants the miracle of Islam to be witnessed by the people from Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, time till the day of Judgment. The miracle is the Qu'ran, Muslims holy book

Islam is the last message to the world? Is God giving up on humanity?

Why is the Qur'an a miracle

1- The Qu'ran is an untouchable book : After 1400 years, from the begining of Prophet Muhammad's, peace be upon him, message, the Qu'ran has not changed in any way, even as a matter of one charachter. Prooving this is very easy, since you can compare all the versions of the Qu'ran everywhere in the world and you will find them all the same. God ensured that this book would be saved from any changes attempted by human beings. God said in the Qur'an : " We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption

The Quran was not translated out of Arabic for centuries either. Converts to Islam were forced to learn Arabic to understand the religion. By contrast, the Jewish Torah is thousands of years old, yet current translations are confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are over 2000 years old. The New Testament's accuracy is also confirmed from partial transcripts from the second century AD. So to say that the Quran is still accurate, when compared to the Torah and New Testament, is really nothing big.

2- The Qu'ran contains many scientific facts that have been discovered recently using computer systems and microscopes. Many scientists have attended conferences dealing with this subject and have themselves accepted Islam. These same scientists have said that it is not possible that Muhammad, peace be upon him, an illiterate man, who lived 1400 years ago, could have discovered such things on his own. God said in the Qur'an : "Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things" ( Quran 41:53 )

I'd like to know what truths you are refering to. Since you don't offer any, there is no way to verify that this is true.

3- The Qu'ran, which is in Arabic, was revealed to the people of the Arabian Gulf who invented the Arabic language. Through Muhammad, peace be upon him, Allah challenged the people who claimed that a human wrote it to emulate such a book. No one from the time of the Prophet till now could write a book that contained the many scientific facts, miracles and similar effects on people that the Qu'ran did and still does today

Anyone could write a book with miracles, scientific facts, and other stuff. Heck, I could pop one out in a week.

4- The Qu'ran had not one Arabic grammar mistake, which was recognized by the disbelievers at the time of the Prophet, who were the founders of the Arabic language

This is called proofreading. It has been common practice from ancient times, and continues today. Should I believe Bill Clinton's memoirs are divinely inspired because they contain no grammatical mistakes?

 

[MJDuncan1982]

GOP

Islam does not claim to follow the bible. All three have the Torah as the source if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, all three religions share the old testament God.

 

[Avatar4321]

Interesting, I believe my Faith because I asked God if it were correct and He answered...So why should I believe you when God says otherwise?

Also, having studied Islam a bit, i wonder if you realize that the Quran was note compiled as it is now until the reign of the Uthman the third Caliph. He eventually compiled the Quran. Before then the revelations were recited and not written (Arabic wasnt much of a written language at that point, mostly just spoken). Eventually when people began to write them down there were variations of the Quran going around so Uthman compiled the authoritative version and finished with the writing the Suras down that was begun by Abu Bakr.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/politics/firstfourcaliphs.html

Uthman's most notable contribution to the religion of God was the compilation of a complete and authoritative text of the Qur'an. A large number of copies of this text were made and distributed all over the Muslim world.

I often have to question how accurate they were when Uthman finally compiled them. As i pointed out there were other versions at the time, it makes one question whether the revelations Uthman compiled were the accurate Sura's Mohammad was given or whether they were the corrupted versions. Despite the memory of the people i doubt they remembered all the Sura's perfectly after a generation.

You're argument that God would surely preseve the text doesnt seem to be much more than personal belief. Many christians believe that God has preserved the text of the Bible as well. So why would God allow the Bible to be corrupted according to you and now your Quran? If you believe the Bible is scripture and its been corrupted then there is precedant in allowing scripture to be corrupted. So why wouldnt your scripture be corrupted? Muslims are humans arent they? Is there anything that humans do that doesnt corrupt what they touch?

Quite frankly it doesnt matter to me whether the Bible is perfect. I believe God has preserved it very well and men can learn of Him and His dealings with man in the past. But it doent have to be perfect, because its a Book its meant to teach of a God who is perfect and can reveal His will to whomever He likes whenever He likes. God doesnt want us to rely solely on our own understanding of what He has revealed in the past but He wants us to find out for ourselves through revelation and prayer. He wants us to come to Him, to Learn of Him, to trust Him, and become like Him. So it really doesnt matter if any Holy Books are perfect as correctly point men to Him. I worship God, not a book. I hope I have given you something to think about.

 

[wade]

Hogwash!

To say one religion is more valid than another is like arguing one branch of music is more valid than another.

What cracks me up is, as best I can tell, the Jews and the Arabs are brothers. In the Jewish faith, to be a true Jew, you must be able to trace your lineage in an unbroken line of mothers back to Abraham. Yet Abraham was not the only sire in his tribe. The Arabs are the sons and daughters of the remaining tribe members, left out of the new faith.

As for the validity of the New Testiment... well it is so full of adjustments from the period of the first few centuries after Christs death that this is almost a joke. I don't want to offend people, so I'm not going to relay most of the issues here, but lets just look at the "virgin" or "devine" myth.

Neither Jesus nor his aposles (sp?) ever claimed Jesus was of "divine birth" or that Mary was a virgin. This claim does not appear until about 300 years later, when Rome accepted Christ. Roman emperors had been claiming to be descended from the Gods and of divine birth, and how could Jesus not measure up to the Emperors. So this was added at this time. There is no mention of divine birth in any of the documents of Christianity within at least the first 200 years of the Christian faith.

All religions consist of a set of homilies intended to show why a population should live in a particular way. They are a way to pass a value set to people without having to justify it.

Wade.

 

[Arabian]

Dear Gem
I wont say that you are wrong or any thing of this
Your thought nearly to be right
Yes this is true when we hanged up with our religion the Islam and with what Allah and his prophet asked us to do
we were so concerned with science and every thing Allah say
but now a day unfortunately we are no mare hanging with our religion, I don’t say with bride I say it with so much of sadness and regret
this is what happened we are no more care about what our religion say
I cant say that all of us is so
But the most, because its hard to keep walk in straight line with all of that damage that became on the whole world
And I don’t mean damage in the physical environment only I mean damage in our souls in our believing in our tradition, we all knew that the basic of the communism was the destruction of the religion cuz the religion is the only thing which keep you walking in this straight line
and also the 4th protocol of the Jewish "in their protocols book"say
"we should remove the idea of Allah from mankind brain and put instead of it some calculations or the love of material"

And the evidence is what happened to the Arab civilization
When she hanged up with her believes = developing
When they disbelieved or didn’t work with her Quran and Islam =??
This is why I think the whole world afraid that the Arab get combine again
Afraid from their power
This policy I know it cuz I live in it , but I don’t think you could feel it
They charge Arab of any thing bad happen in this whole world
They say that Islam is the religion of destruction to avoid their people to become Muslim although it’s the latest message Allah send to the mankind

This all happening because they don’t want any one to know the truth of the Islam
And as the Jewish markos ravage says
"we the Jewish are behind all your wars and the world 1st war came to justify our control on the world"

and in the qur'an Allah say to those who don’t believe in Islam
Sura 003. Aal-'Imrân
84. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "We believe in Allâh and in what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya'qûb (Jacob) and Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya'qûb (Jacob)] and what was given to Mûsa (Moses), 'Iesa (Jesus) and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between one another among them and to Him (Allâh) we have submitted (in Islâm)."
85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers[].

And as Allah said that all prophet was preaching to the Islam and its completed by our prophet muhammed the last messenger from Allah

Qur'an sura 005. Al-Mâ'idah
Verse 3
This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allâh is OftForgiving, Most Merciful
Note
Scientific miracles I pointed to was written in qur'an from more than 1425 years
And discovered now a day, that’s why we should believe that this book the qur'an from Allah cuz Allah create the whole worlds (WORLDS) cuz it isn’t only the earth
So there is no human can ever predict what the world will know after more than1425
So it’s the truth from Allah
That’s all
salam

 

[5stringJeff]

GOP

Islam does not claim to follow the bible. All three have the Torah as the source if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, all three religions share the old testament God.

MJDuncan, arabian's claim in the first post was that Islam purports to believe in the holy books of Judaism and Christianity - the Old and New Testaments. My comment was that the New Testament clearly outlines Jesus Christ as the Divine Son of God who is worthy of worship; Islam does not believe that. Therefore, arabians claim is false.

As for your last comment, the gods of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are different, although Islam claims they are the same. Specifically, God is shown in the Bible to be three Persons in one God - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, all three of whom comprise God. Islam does not believe in the Trinity; therefore, Islam's Allah is not the same as the Christian God.

 

[Arabian]

Hi guys
I will start with some verses this time

Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
213. Mankind were one community and Allâh sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings, and with them He sent the Scripture in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed. And only those to whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it after clear proofs had come unto them through hatred, one to another. Then Allâh by His Leave guided those who believed to the truth of that wherein they differed. And Allâh guides whom He wills to a Straight Path.

Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
53. And (remember) when We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Scripture [the Taurât (Torah)] and the criterion (of right and wrong) so that you may be guided aright.

Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
{2. This is the Book (the Qur'ân), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqûn [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allâh much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allâh much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

So Allah sends all the books and the last one was the Qur'an and let me say that when Othman compiled the Qur'an he didn’t write it him self he get all the famous people by their *7efth the qur'an to write it down so it wasn’t only one they were a group of people and I wanna say that it wasn’t a long years between Othman and our prophet Muhammad , Othman lived with our prophet and he was from his friend 'sahaba' , though he * he didn’t write it by his own to avoid mistakes and because at this time every thing was done by counsel
and Allah said in his book too

sura 015. Al-Hijr
. Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)[].

Here one
And about that

/Anyone could write a book with miracles, scientific facts, and other stuff. Heck, I could pop one out in a week./

i guess not
I guess no one could ever know what they will discover after 1000 for example
Let me give a hint
Allah says in hi book the qur'an

This written from more than 1400 years and the modern science came to describe the steps of the creation of the baby, although at this time there wasn’t any kind of progress or machine that enable them to know so

/

This is called proofreading. It has been common practice from ancient times, and continues today. Should I believe Bill Clinton's memoirs are divinely inspired because they contain no grammatical mistakes?

No dear
I didn’t mean so although it's funny
But let me say
At this time people were so famous by their great ability in their language and its grammar they were great at writing poems (literature) and any thing concerned with their language
And I think any one could mistake I don’t think that in the whole universe there is a man who didn’t ever mistake
Allah only we could describe him with the whole completeness.
This is what I meant and added to that Bill Clinton's is a human and he makes lots of mistakes and said lots of lies too that avoid us from believing him,(I don’t say that every thing he says is wrong I mean I will be less confidences in his words)
I could judge you from you acting and your words whether it’s a lie or its true
This is the way I could judge whether I believe you or not + if your word make sense to me or not.

And I wanna ask a question
Who said That Jesus is the son of the god?
It doesn’t make sense
How the son of the god die, though god cant ever die cuz he isn’t a human and if he die the whole world will stop working and die too
And how come Allah has a son from human though he isn’t a human

Sura 004. An-Nisâ'
171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)[] created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is AllSufficient as a Disposer of affairs.[]

Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
136. Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya'qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya'qûb (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm)."

And why we didn’t say that Adam the 1st creature on the earth is the son of Allah,
I think that all of what they said about Jesus is a lie (about that he is the son of Allah)

Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
87. And indeed, We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) <><>]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.

I do believe that Eissa peace upon him is a prophet from Allah but I couldn&#8217;t believe that he is the son of Allah, he didn&#8217;t say so neither Eissa said.
This why I may think that this bible isn&#8217;t the right one
And we couldn&#8217;t imagine the world if it have 2 lords, it will be a peace from a hell cuz lords won't be always agree at the same opinion all the time and one of them may destroy what the other did. As we say the ship with 2 captains sink.
So their can't be 2 gods, even if they are a god and his son "don&#8217;t you struggle sometimes with your dad"

And let me say why our prophet Muhammad is the last prophet
1st as I said in my previous post in the verse

Qur'an sura 005. Al-Mâ'idah
Verse 3
This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allâh is OftForgiving, Most Merciful

and as we said that all the messenger was preaching to the Islam and Allah wanted to sent it set by set to make it easiest to the human and to get through with it

2nd cuz we all know that the most prophet lived about 1000 years (in this range)
And our prophet Muhammad said
(I have sent to this world and the hour (the end of the world) like this and he shared with his both 2nd and 3rd fingers

and the last thing that Muhammad's ummah(people) ordered to spread the Islam after his death

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Quite frankly it doesnt matter to me whether the Bible is perfect. I believe God has preserved it very well and men can learn of Him and His dealings with man in the past. But it doent have to be perfect, because its a Book its meant to teach of a God who is perfect and can reveal His will to whomever He likes whenever He likes. God doesnt want us to rely solely on our own understanding of what He has revealed in the past but He wants us to find out for ourselves through revelation and prayer. He wants us to come to Him, to Learn of Him, to trust Him, and become like Him. So it really doesnt matter if any Holy Books are perfect as correctly point men to Him. I worship God, not a book. I hope I have given you something to think about/

what you say is great but Allah send his prophet Muhammad the latest prophet to the whole world so the came from Allah is the truth,
its right that Allah sent all the prophets preaching to Islam
but as we said he send it step by step, and the last step was the Islam
or then why Allah sent his prophet Muhammad
if we believed in Eissa and he is a messenger from Allah then we should believe that Muhammad is his messenger too and he came to complete what the previous prophets message.
note
and as i said muslims believe in the whole books that allah send
but the original
i believe in mussa and in eissa and their original book allah send them to spread it
sura 087. Al-A'lâ
In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1. Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High,

2. Who has created (everything), and then proportioned it;

3. And Who has measured (preordainments for each and everything even to be blessed or wretched); then guided (i.e. showed mankind the right as well as wrong paths, and guided the animals to pasture);

4. And Who brings out the pasturage,

5. And then makes it dark stubble.

6. We shall make you to recite (the Qur'ân), so you (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) shall not forget (it),

7. Except what Allâh, may will, He knows what is apparent and what is hidden.

8. And We shall make easy for you (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) the easy way (i.e. the doing of righteous deeds).

9. Therefore remind (men) in case the reminder profits (them).

10. The reminder will be received by him who fears (Allâh),

11. But it will be avoided by the wretched,

12. Who will enter the great Fire and made to taste its burning,

13. Wherein he will neither die (to be in rest) nor live (a good living).

14. Indeed whosoever purifies himself (by avoiding polytheism and accepting Islâmic Monotheism) shall achieve success,

15. And remembers (glorifies) the Name of his Lord (worships none but Allâh), and prays (five compulsory prayers and Nawâfil additional prayers).

16. Nay, you prefer the life of this world;

17. Although the Hereafter is better and more lasting.

18. Verily! This is in the former Scriptures,

19. The Scriptures of Ibrâhim (Abraham) and Mûsa (Moses) (<><> <>).

 

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Who said That Jesus is the son of the god?

God said it...Jesus professed it...the prophets fortold it

 

[Arabian]

God said it...Jesus professed it...the prophets fortold it

does your mind accept this thought

though posting this words

And I wanna ask a question
Who said That Jesus is the son of the god?
It doesn&#8217;t make sense
How the son of the god die, though god cant ever die cuz he isn&#8217;t a human and if he die the whole world will stop working and die too
And how come Allah has a son from human though he isn&#8217;t a human

Quote:
Sura 004. An-Nisâ'
171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh)[] created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is AllSufficient as a Disposer of affairs.[]


Quote:
Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
136. Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya'qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya'qûb (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm)."


And why we didn&#8217;t say that Adam the 1st creature on the earth is the son of Allah,
I think that all of what they said about Jesus is a lie (about that he is the son of Allah)

Quote:
Sura 002. Al-Baqarah
87. And indeed, We gave Mûsa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) <><>]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.


I do believe that Eissa peace upon him is a prophet from Allah but I couldn&#8217;t believe that he is the son of Allah, he didn&#8217;t say so neither Eissa said.
This why I may think that this bible isn&#8217;t the right one
And we couldn&#8217;t imagine the world if it have 2 lords, it will be a peace from a hell cuz lords won't be always agree at the same opinion all the time and one of them may destroy what the other did. As we say the ship with 2 captains sink.
So their can't be 2 gods, even if they are a god and his son "don&#8217;t you struggle sometimes with your dad"

 

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does your mind accept this thought

of course. Do you think Jesus was a liar?

 

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of course. Do you think Jesus was a liar?

no no i didn't say the eissa peace upon him is a liar
but he didnt say that he is the son of allah
i dont think so

 

[5stringJeff]

no no i didn't say the eissa peace upon him is a liar
but he didnt say that he is the son of allah
i dont think so

-=d=- is right: Jesus stated very plainly that He was the Son of God, and equated Himself with God several times in the Bible, despite Mohammed's clear denial of that fact in the Quran.

 

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gop_jeff - peace be upon him, is right too!