Why isn't Mick Jagger having his heart surgery in the U.K. with the National Health Service?

[koshergrl]

Ever consider the possibility that is where the best doctor is for his surgery? There are lots of Americans who travel to foreign countries for health care.

Well of the uk has a long waiting list and poor doctors id go some place elese.
Americans that go overseas for med care tend to do so because they have no insirance and go where its cheap not because the care is great

Actually, they often DO have insurance...which refuses to pay.
Another one of the failures of insurance. It doesn't provide health care to all.

 

[koshergrl]

*The ACA greatly accelerated and increased rises in health care premiums.
*The Politifact political lie of the year was Obama claiming that if you liked your doctor and plan you wouldn't be forced out.
*Young healthy people at the bottom of the wage scale don't need the burdensome unwanted problem of paying ACA health premiums. You don't force someone without a car to pay auto insurance.
*I didn't see the right wing supporting Obama's ACA...quite opposite. The discarded brain child of a conservative think tank was never seriously adopted by the party. Duh...

Myth 1: Health care costs are rising thanks to Obamacare.

Truth: Health care costs have been rising, but at a slower pace since the ACA was launched. Since 2010, health care costs have increased between 3.5 percent to 5.8 percent a year. In the 10 years prior to that, they rose between 4.0 percent to 9.6 percent. That's according to the annual "National Health Expenditures Summary," published by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.​

Re: You don't force someone without a car to pay auto insurance.

You force them to pay for the roads however. Childless people pay for schoolsThey are human so will likely need healthcare at some point.
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'Obamacare' will never be adapted by the GOP but some major pieces will be. Pre-existing conditions are already part of Trump's 'plan'.

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. How to judge healthcare:

Life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.

In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.

And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels. Protected Blog › Log in





" However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


She cites a study by Professors Ohsfeldt and Schneider at the University of Iowa, which shows that, if you leave out people who are victims of homicide or who die in automobile accidents, Americans live longer than people in any other Western country. http://www.creators.com/conservative/thomas-sowell/medical-care-facts-and-fables.html



Wait 'til you hear the Democrats slam American healthcare....then check how many rush to Cuba or England when they need care.
…. the hermeneutic key to understanding every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

 

[Polishprince]

*The ACA greatly accelerated and increased rises in health care premiums.
*The Politifact political lie of the year was Obama claiming that if you liked your doctor and plan you wouldn't be forced out.
*Young healthy people at the bottom of the wage scale don't need the burdensome unwanted problem of paying ACA health premiums. You don't force someone without a car to pay auto insurance.
*I didn't see the right wing supporting Obama's ACA...quite opposite. The discarded brain child of a conservative think tank was never seriously adopted by the party. Duh...

Myth 1: Health care costs are rising thanks to Obamacare.

Truth: Health care costs have been rising, but at a slower pace since the ACA was launched. Since 2010, health care costs have increased between 3.5 percent to 5.8 percent a year. In the 10 years prior to that, they rose between 4.0 percent to 9.6 percent. That's according to the annual "National Health Expenditures Summary," published by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.​

Re: You don't force someone without a car to pay auto insurance.

You force them to pay for the roads however. Childless people pay for schoolsThey are human so will likely need healthcare at some point.
​

'Obamacare' will never be adapted by the GOP but some major pieces will be. Pre-existing conditions are already part of Trump's 'plan'.

If O'care is such a fabulous success, why do ALL of the leftards running for the Democrat nomination so anxious to dump it in favor of the "medicare for all" crapola?

You would think that libs would be praising the system that they used so much political capital to construct.

 

[alang1216]

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

I'm not sure which country you're talking about, but in the US health care costs rise UNLESS the gov't gets involved. See how the cost of insulin has risen in the US in the past decade. Then compare the costs of drugs in places like Europe where the gov't is heavily involved and you'll see our costs are higher.

 

[PoliticalChic]

They lie about everything.

 

[alang1216]

If O'care is such a fabulous success, why do ALL of the leftards running for the Democrat nomination so anxious to dump it in favor of the "medicare for all" crapola?

You would think that libs would be praising the system that they used so much political capital to construct.

O'care was a compromise in the hope of attracting GOP support. Obviously compromise is not the order of the day anymore. If the Dems succeed with "medicare for all" the right will bemoan the loss of O'care.

 

[miketx]

Ever consider the possibility that is where the best doctor is for his surgery? There are lots of Americans who travel to foreign countries for health care.

How did you get to be a non stop America hating liar?

 

[Polishprince]

If O'care is such a fabulous success, why do ALL of the leftards running for the Democrat nomination so anxious to dump it in favor of the "medicare for all" crapola?

You would think that libs would be praising the system that they used so much political capital to construct.

O'care was a compromise in the hope of attracting GOP support. Obviously compromise is not the order of the day anymore. If the Dems succeed with "medicare for all" the right will bemoan the loss of O'care.

Obamacare wasn't a "compromise" at all, it didn't get a single Republican vote. The Democrat Party imposed it in a most partisan way.

 

[Polishprince]

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

I'm not sure which country you're talking about, but in the US health care costs rise UNLESS the gov't gets involved. See how the cost of insulin has risen in the US in the past decade. Then compare the costs of drugs in places like Europe where the gov't is heavily involved and you'll see our costs are higher.

That's really not true. Costs for traditionally non-covered medical services like Lasik surgery, abortions, boob jobs and sex changes have been kept under control and have even gone down. The basic law of economics is that if there is more money chasing goods or services, the price will rise.

Its a similar thing in education. The price of tuition has risen through the roof as funding for loans has gone up.

 

[boedicca]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Mick might not be covered by the NHS. He runs his income and property through a Virgin Islands entity for tax purposes - Surprise Surprise, a very very rich person alters his behavior due to high taxes. And like a lot of rich people, limits his time in the UK so that he is exempt from income taxes.

 

[Polishprince]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Mick might not be covered by the NHS. He runs his income and property through a Virgin Islands entity for tax purposes - Surprise Surprise, a very very rich person alters his behavior due to high taxes. And like a lot of rich people, limits his time in the UK so that he is exempt from income taxes.

For a while in the 1970's, Mr. Jagger along with a number of other high profile English entertainers were tax exiles in the south of France- saving money to stay the hell out of England.

Much the same as so many wealthy people moving out of New York for Florida to save money on taxes- including a lot of rich libs

 

[boedicca]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Mick might not be covered by the NHS. He runs his income and property through a Virgin Islands entity for tax purposes - Surprise Surprise, a very very rich person alters his behavior due to high taxes. And like a lot of rich people, limits his time in the UK so that he is exempt from income taxes.

For a while in the 1970's, Mr. Jagger along with a number of other high profile English entertainers were tax exiles in the south of France- saving money to stay the hell out of England.

Much the same as so many wealthy people moving out of New York for Florida to save money on taxes- including a lot of rich libs

Taxes really are for the Small Folk.

 

[Coyote]

Because, like all people in the UK he has a choice. Unlike people in the US who if they cant afford private healthcare, have no healthcare (if the Republicans have their way)

That's either dishonest, or stupid.

1. All poor Americas qualify for Medicaid. It's not great, but it's better than what they'll get if private insurance payers stop subsidizing it.

2. Jagger only had a choice because he's rich. Poor Brits have to wait months for care much worse than we can get in hours in the US.

1. It is neither dishonest nor stupid. It is spot on. Not all poor Americans qualify for Medicaid, only those below a certain threshold. With the high cost of healthcare and private insurance many poor Americans can't afford it.

2. The rich ALWAYS have a choice. However at least in the UK...the choice for the average Brit is better than healthcare vs no healthcare like the average American.

You dont see big demonstrations in UK demanding American style healthcare do yoy?

 

[koshergrl]

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

I'm not sure which country you're talking about, but in the US health care costs rise UNLESS the gov't gets involved. See how the cost of insulin has risen in the US in the past decade. Then compare the costs of drugs in places like Europe where the gov't is heavily involved and you'll see our costs are higher.

That is a complete and total fabrication.
Health care costs here started rising the MINUTE insurance started to be a *thing*.
It costs more and more the more government involvement.

so yeah, you're a liar.

 

[alang1216]

That's really not true. Costs for traditionally non-covered medical services like Lasik surgery, abortions, boob jobs and sex changes have been kept under control and have even gone down. The basic law of economics is that if there is more money chasing goods or services, the price will rise.

Its a similar thing in education. The price of tuition has risen through the roof as funding for loans has gone up.

None of the services you listed are essential so it is a free market. If the price is too high for that boob job, you just shop around or don't do it. If you need insulin and it is only manufactured by a few companies you don't get to shop around. If you go to an emergency room you don't shop around.

Education is different so you may be right about that.

 

[koshergrl]

That's really not true. Costs for traditionally non-covered medical services like Lasik surgery, abortions, boob jobs and sex changes have been kept under control and have even gone down. The basic law of economics is that if there is more money chasing goods or services, the price will rise.

Its a similar thing in education. The price of tuition has risen through the roof as funding for loans has gone up.

None of the services you listed are essential so it is a free market. If the price is too high for that boob job, you just shop around or don't do it. If you need insulin and it is only manufactured by a few companies you don't get to shop around. If you go to an emergency room you don't shop around.

Education is different so you may be right about that.

It's not *free market* if it has been invaded and controlled by the government.

Lying again.

 

[alang1216]

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

I'm not sure which country you're talking about, but in the US health care costs rise UNLESS the gov't gets involved. See how the cost of insulin has risen in the US in the past decade. Then compare the costs of drugs in places like Europe where the gov't is heavily involved and you'll see our costs are higher.

That is a complete and total fabrication.
Health care costs here started rising the MINUTE insurance started to be a *thing*.
It costs more and more the more government involvement.

so yeah, you're a liar.

except insurance is not a gov't *thing*

 

[Polishprince]

Because, like all people in the UK he has a choice. Unlike people in the US who if they cant afford private healthcare, have no healthcare (if the Republicans have their way)

That's either dishonest, or stupid.

1. All poor Americas qualify for Medicaid. It's not great, but it's better than what they'll get if private insurance payers stop subsidizing it.

2. Jagger only had a choice because he's rich. Poor Brits have to wait months for care much worse than we can get in hours in the US.

1. It is neither dishonest nor stupid. It is spot on. Not all poor Americans qualify for Medicaid, only those below a certain threshold. With the high cost of healthcare and private insurance many poor Americans can't afford it.

2. The rich ALWAYS have a choice. However at least in the UK...the choice for the average Brit is better than healthcare vs no healthcare like the average American.

You dont see big demonstrations in UK demanding American style healthcare do yoy?

Most Americans had good health care before the ACA. They were satisfied- hence the need for Obama to lie "if you like your healthcare you can keep it".

But the ACA failed because it implemented huge demands and costs of ordinary Americans who didn't need or want health care or had good healthcare.

The ACA should have focused in on the tiny minority of indigents and charity cases who didn't have good healthcare because they couldn't afford it. And not try and inconvenience everyone.

 

[alang1216]

That's really not true. Costs for traditionally non-covered medical services like Lasik surgery, abortions, boob jobs and sex changes have been kept under control and have even gone down. The basic law of economics is that if there is more money chasing goods or services, the price will rise.

Its a similar thing in education. The price of tuition has risen through the roof as funding for loans has gone up.

None of the services you listed are essential so it is a free market. If the price is too high for that boob job, you just shop around or don't do it. If you need insulin and it is only manufactured by a few companies you don't get to shop around. If you go to an emergency room you don't shop around.

Education is different so you may be right about that.

It's not *free market* if it has been invaded and controlled by the government.

Lying again.

Which part of a boob job has been invaded and controlled by the government?