Why is there such a HUGE abyss between conservative and liberal politics?

[Hector12]

So the Establishment war machine had to get rid of Trump, and they did by a rigged election.

Trump lost fair and square. Even the Supreme Court, with six Republican justices, acknowledged Trump's defeat.

 

[Red Front]

I nearly always vote a straight Democratic ticket. Because the Republican Party only cares about rich people and pretends that global warming is a hoax, for me the choice on a general election is between the Democrat or none of the above. It is nearly always the Democrat.

I was active in the anti war movement during the War in Vietnam. I was a member of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee. That later developed into Democratic Socialists of America.

I attended church this morning. Did you? I nearly always attend church on Sunday. Do you?

Have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover, including the Apocrypha? I have, nine times in eight English translations. Right now I am half way through my ninth English translation.

Republicans usually agree with New Testament Sadducees that wealth is the reward for righteousness. Jesus did not, and said, Matthew 19:23-24 "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

Debating with these brain-dead right-wingers is a waste of precious time and energy. That's my conclusion.

 

[Red Front]

Total strawman, we don’t care about rich people. Dumbest low IQ trope of the left.
We want to stop the insane trade deals with China that have destroyed our manufacturing and left very few good jobs for lower and middle class Americans.
We want to stop stupid foreign wars against countries that never attacked us and are no threat to us.

If you are voting for Establishment Dems, which is all of them except RFJ Jr and Tulsi Gabbard, you are a warmonger.


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Yes I have attended church every week for the last four years plus.
I have never heard Republicans say that wealth is a reward for righteousness, so this is more nonsense you just want to believe.

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About the rich man entering the Kingdom of Heaven and it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, did you read the verse before and the versus after?

Jesus already told the man he was doing enough by keeping his commandments, but if he wanted to be “perfect”, to sell everything.

After the bit about easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle:

25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Here Jesus is saying that with God the impossible is possible. It is possible for the rich man to enter Heaven.

No human is perfect. But Jesus will accept you regardless.

You claim you read the Bible cover to cover 9 times, yet you totally misrepresented this well known parable, and missed the whole point. Something tells me you need to read it again.

Practically everything you said is wrong.

 

[nomadic5]

The thing is, God is separating the sheep from the goats, as per that parable Jesus told centuries ago

or maybe the sheep are just naturally separating from the nasty goats (both).

So it makes sense there are 2 parties only in the US

One is the party of God

the other....

 

[Red Front]

The thing is, God is separating the sheep from the goats, as per that parable Jesus told centuries ago

or maybe the sheep are just naturally separating from the nasty goats (both).

So it makes sense there are 2 parties only in the US

One is the party of God

the other....

None of the parties are of the party of your god or any god. First of all, Jesus was clear that the "sheep", are those who open their doors to the homeless and let them in. Those who feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Most of you American Evangelicals/Republicans are just concerned about yourselves, and amassing mammon (the god you actually worship). Most American Evangelicals hold the poor in contempt, always blaming them for their poverty or lack of resources. The wealthy are supposedly the "hard workers", while the working class is allegedly lazy and stupid. You're just possessed by the mammon-demon.

The goats are those who refuse to open their doors to the homeless, according to Jesus himself. The first Christians held all things in common and considered none of their possession their own. You counterfeit disciples of Jesus, always vote for politicians who defund government programs that help the poor and pass laws that serve the rich at the expense of working-class people. You value worldly wealth, luxury, and riches, more than you do work, those who labor.

 

[Hector12]

The thing is, God is separating the sheep from the goats, as per that parable Jesus told centuries ago

or maybe the sheep are just naturally separating from the nasty goats (both).

So it makes sense there are 2 parties only in the US

One is the party of God

the other....

Democrat President Jimmy Carter is the most sincere Christian who was ever elected president. Most Christian conservatives abandoned him in 1980 for a product of Hollywood who seldom attended church, who was our first divorced president, and who signed a law legalizing abortion as Governor of California. In 2016 most Christian conservatives reached even lower and choose a dishonest, foul mouthed, adulterous pagan.

 

[nomadic5]

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Trump lost fair and square. Even the Supreme Court, with six Republican justices, acknowledged Trump's defeat.

Mollie Hemingway knows better

 

[nomadic5]

Democrat President Jimmy Carter is the most sincere Christian who was ever elected president. Most Christian conservatives abandoned him in 1980 for a product of Hollywood who seldom attended church, who was our first divorced president, and who signed a law legalizing abortion as Governor of California. In 2016 most Christian conservatives reached even lower and choose a dishonest, foul mouthed, adulterous pagan.

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You obviously do not know Jesus Christ

and that's about all I have to say because until you know Him, you just can't speak on the topic of Christianity and how it is supposed to look and whom is a member and whom is not

 

[Hector12]

You obviously do not know Jesus Christ

and that's about all I have to say because until you know Him, you just can't speak on the topic of Christianity and how it is supposed to look and whom is a member and whom is not

I am an Anglican who attends church every Sunday. I have read the Bible from cover to cover, including the Apocrypha, nine times in eight English translations.

How do you compare? Have you read the Bible even once in its entirety? What church do you go to?

What gives you the right to say that you know Jesus Christ and I do not?

If you think Jesus Christ told you to vote for Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, I think you got the message from someone else.

 

[Orangecat]

The divide is between supporters of liberty and useful idiots of Marxism.

 

[dblack]

The divide is between supporters of liberty

All five of them?

and useful idiots of Marxism.

 

[Hector12]

Mollie Hemingway knows better

Why do you think she knows more than the United States Supreme Court?

Just because someone agrees with you does not mean he or she is right.

Does she claim to get messages from Jesus Christ too?

 

[foggedinn]

The phrase "the pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind. Politically incorrect of course but applies to both sides.

 

[Hector12]

You obviously do not know Jesus Christ

and that's about all I have to say because until you know Him, you just can't speak on the topic of Christianity and how it is supposed to look and whom is a member and whom is not

You do not seem to have read the Bible, as I have nine times. Nevertheless, you think you know Jesus Christ, and I do not.

If someone told you to abandon Jimmy Carter for Ronald Reagan, he was not Jesus Christ, but a clever impersonator. Perhaps it was the ghost of Herbert Hoover.

 

[seaofnails]

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Liberal Democrat Socialism does not seem like a harmful threat, It seems harmless and seems like an innocent thought provoking system of ideas to resolve and buffer against all of the failings of Republican ideologies and its rigorous Capitalism.

But if you notice " Socialism " is a total dependent system that originates or becomes created - only for the purpose to oppose the capitalist system. And Socialists admit this. Socialists is an idea that originates or becomes created - solely - for the purpose of opposing Capitalism.

What if Capitalism did not exist ? - If Capitalism did not exist - how would " Socialism " come into existence. ?

To Carl Marx – his ideologies were that - since the creation and existence of Capitalism " is not the motive and drive for some percentage of the individuals in a population - therefore we must change the taxation system to financially provide funds and goods and services to allow those who do “ not “ NEED TO WORK - to receive more of the money and goods of those who are NEEDED TO WORK.

In other words, the working force is taking too much or holding on to the majority of the goods and wealth and savings and monies - and they are not distributing it to everyone more equitably or fairly or equally. And this was HIS unfair Capitalism theory - because only a certain amount of goods, services, and products were all that were needed to be created, to take care of everyone. In other words, Carl Marx wanted the savings and investments, plans, goals, sacrifices and contracts and inventions and - even the very - MARRIAGES BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN - benefits of marriage - to be completely done away with.

And the problem with this is that - in Socialism - we would still have the same exact “ core problems “ that every society has - the same situation that every system has and the same types of profiles of humanity that are found in every culture.

A married couple ( MAN AND WIFE CONCEIVING CHILDREN in MARRIAGE ) could not be benefited in Socialism Government system by themselves sacrificing and choosing to wait to have unprotected sex and save their earnings for a better and a more solid foundation to build a family in.

An individual man or a woman could not refrain from going to the clubs and bars and refrain from doing a lot of drugs and then save " his / her " money in a bank account and build savings to invest or create a PERSONAL business or buy a nice home –

while all the other “ FUTURE SOCALIST DEPENDANTS “ men and women around them are hitting the meth or opium pipe or drinking every night, or sexually humping and running and humping and running again from one sexual partner to the next " while contracting STDS and diseases and creating millions of unwanted, inconvenient babies - that are going to be needed to be aborted or raised by SINGLE, uncooperative and contrary wildly sexually mobile and unstable mothers and fathers who have no benefit or need, no concern or care - to work together to provide a living environment ( CALLED A FAMILY UNITY ) where the mother and father and children share the same fire, the same roof, the same heating, the same transportation, the same pots and pans, the same toilet and bath, the same blankets and same shoes and clothing passed down to the younger siblings, the same lights, the same pets and " EVERYTHING " THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE SHARED -

TO SAVE THE ENERGY, MONEY, RESOURCES AND EXPENDITURES and valuation of materials between their shared needs.

The people who want to conserve and store up and not waste materials, and save energies and dollars and make sacrifices and invent new ideas, plans, goals to better their personal lives and better their environments would only be slaves - to the irresponsible people such as we see in the Oboma - Clinton societies - where the majority live their entire lives complaining about all the others who have saved their money, waited to have sex, stayed out of the clubs and not blown all their furniture, clothes, radios, canned foods and frozen meats and fruits and vegetables - thrown away all of their homes and vehicles and ornaments, jewelry and - STUFF - TODAY and for many, many years.

Liberal democrats –in Liberal Controlled Cities - THEY EVEN are giving away or selling - their very mouths, sphincters, urethral - orifices and fanny holes and bodily cavities - at the pleasures of one another - to get back the food and supplies, drugs and even very necessities and money back - that they have irresponsibly lost or their parents before them have lost and just wasted.

Meanwhile, the Capitalists are working even harder and saving even more and their children and “ children’s " children - generation after generation - marrying as Conservative “ HUSBAND AND WIFE CONCEIVING THEIR OWN CHILDREN “ and living and cooperating together to build secure and even better future for themselves by sacrificing and controlling their behavioral activities.

- Carl Marx was nothing more than a philosopher, economist, historian, sociologist, political theorist - he never worked a steady job and took any responsibility to save his money - he simply wandered around the European nations planting seeds of anger, confusion and distraction and imaginary realities posing and pretending to have valid ideas, plans and operational tactics and tools and manpower ( SUPPORTIVE GLOBAL ALLIES ) - while he was paid money - to spark and ignite and light or feed the flames of various social fantasias of revolutions, rebellions, upheavals, uprisings, insurrections, and social revolts.

People speak of Mexico and South America where Socialism is the only Roman Catholic Government that has ever dominated ... But Mexico and South America have the greatest opportunity of all of the other third world countries - to raise the American flag, to adopt the US constitution, adopt the Declaration of Independence and adopt American Laws and to speak the English Language -

Instead, they hold on to their green Canaanite, socialist flag and reject American Laws and American values and American Laws " and American CAPITALISM - while speaking a SOCIALIST dying language - that comes from thousands of miles around the world. ( From Socialist - Spain, and Italy )

- Italy and Spain are not sending millions and millions of dollars to Mexico and South America every single year! Spain and Italy are not holding their hand. Every year - CAPITALIST AMERICAN TAXPAYERS send the SOCIALISTS countries around the planet, trillions of capitalist dollars - But they refuse to even take the first step and begin speaking a capitalist language. We are not stopping them from becoming American - we are not preventing other countries from becoming Americans. All they have to do is start speaking English, raise an American flag and accept American laws right where they are. And they can become their own Capitalist American dream - just by changing their own failed form of Socialist government, language, culture, religion, and laws.

Socialist Mexico and South America have the greatest opportunity to learn how to be Capitalists - Americans "

Yet they live EXACTLY AS THE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT SOCIETIES IN LIBERAL DEMOCRAT CITIES - AS IF they are camped out AND - HOMELESS - in our backyard " even with the millions of dollars we send them - yet they continue living like they are at a camp party or a sex party out back by the edge of the woods - and refuse to implement any American Capitalist laws.

Liberal Democrats have faults and Republican Conservatives have faults too, neither groups are perfect, but many American Pro – Capitalist, Conservative voters are simply looking at the Liberal Democrat Cities and States and seeing the massive homelessness, crime, diseases and waste and government failures and saying that the facts are that the ideologies of these Liberal Democrat Cities are failing the communities and peoples “ and because they have rejected and act in opposition to Republican, Conservative “”” these traditional FAMILY VALUES “””””

- and are relying more upon the values and mindset of a system that leans more toward Communism and Marxism.

However. today the huge abyss between conservatives and liberal policies is becoming to orbit around the fact that liberal policy demands that a full term or late term innocent baby can be tortured to death and just tossed in a trash bag. -

we know that these policies are the policies of murderers and pedophiles..

 

[NotfooledbyW]

As John Adams, co-Founder of the USA said

(my paraphrase) This nation was created for moral and upright people. It is wholly inadequate for any other

He was a Christian and he was speaking of Christian values. I know. I have studied history.

NOt everyone has done that.

John Adams was a Deistic Unitarian, which meant he didn’t believe in original sin, salvation through the blood of Christ, the concept of the Trinity, and all the rest that goes with a thousand years of organized superstition.

You call why do you call him a Christian

 

[ActionJackson]

John Adams was a Deistic Unitarian, which meant he didn’t believe in original sin, salvation through the blood of Christ, the concept of the Trinity, and all the rest that goes with a thousand years of organized superstition.

You call why do you call him a Christian

You may be thinking of Thomas Jefferson, who was a deist but was also sympathetic and in league with Christians. John Adams was a devout Christian but also an independent thinker.

 

[Hector12]

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Liberal Democrat Socialism does not seem like a harmful threat, It seems harmless and seems like an innocent thought provoking system of ideas to resolve and buffer against all of the failings of Republican ideologies and its rigorous Capitalism.

But if you notice " Socialism " is a total dependent system that originates or becomes created - only for the purpose to oppose the capitalist system. And Socialists admit this. Socialists is an idea that originates or becomes created - solely - for the purpose of opposing Capitalism.

Few Democrats want the government to own all or even most of America's productive wealth. Many democrats realize that capitalism is not working for them. The rich keep getting richer while incomes for most Americans stagnate or decline. This is why most Democrats would like for the U.S. economy to evolve in a socialist direction.

The choice between capitalism and socialism is not either-or, but more-or-less. All modern economies have elements of both capitalism and socialism.

With the Franklin Roosevelt administration the United States became more socialist. With the Ronald Reagan administration the United States became more capitalist.

 

[Woodznutz]

Republicans and Democrats (conservatives and liberals) are like men and women. Men being conservative, women being liberal. Men are more productive than women thus more capitalistic. Women aren't terribly concerned with production of wealth, but rather with spending that wealth. So, he earns it, she spends it. Sadly, she outspends his ability to produce wealth, so it's confusing why liberals attack capitalism when we actually need more of it to keep up with their profligate spending.

 

[Woodznutz]

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Sadly, the division of labor has changed this equation. Labor has been 'divided and conquered'. Skilled labor can produce capital. The division of labor has taken the skill out of it, thus the ability of the worker to produce capital for himself.