Why Is There Controversy Over Confederate Monuments?

[Divine Wind]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

 

[rightwinger]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

 

[Divine Wind]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

LOL. Please keep screaming that from the housetops: ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE TERRORISTS AND EQUAL TO AL-QAEDA!

It's why most Americans don't trust Hillary supporters; they're liars who hate millions of their fellow Americans.

 

[IcebergSlim]

Seriously, why can't you just leave them alone?

Better question: Why are they even there? Why did we spend public money on monuments to people who killed US soldiers over a state's right to enslave people?

The civil war was a terrible time in our history. What's even more terrible is lying about who and what it was about.

Since you obviously know nothing about American history, I am not going to waste my time on you.

But if you really care, get on google and bring up the civil war, read all you can on it, not just the current BS from the left who are trying to rewrite history.

The people represented by those statues fought and died for what they believed in. Taking them down is no better than when muslims destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan.

We cannot learn from history if we destroy it or lie about it.

I have a degree in US History. I've taught US History. I've read primary and secondary sources. I'm not infallible by any means, but if you want to wade in here and accuse me of being ignoring and lying, either present some facts or STFU.

Yes, they fought and died for what they believed in. That doesn't mean they're justified. Having a belief is not the same as being correct, and honoring those who killed US soldiers in battle is just plain weird.

Wait....

You've read books?

Where do you find the time for your Daily Rush Ditto Devotional?

 

[rightwinger]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

LOL. Please keep screaming that from the housetops: ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE TERRORISTS AND EQUAL TO AL-QAEDA!

It's why most Americans don't trust Hillary supporters; they're liars who hate millions of their fellow Americans.

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass

All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

 

[Divine Wind]

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass....

Nice backpedal, but anyone lies as much as the far Left does cannot simply walk back their previous lies.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

...All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

Another alt-LW lie.

https://www.quora.com/Were-there-wh...who-fought-for-abolition-before-the-Civil-War
There were thousands of white Southern abolitionists who picked up their furniture and families and moved generally Northwest but for sure north of the Mason-Dixon Line. There were many who stayed and fought in small to big ways as abolitionists also - but they obviously were a minority.In 1827, there were 106 anti-slavery societies in the South, with an estimated 6625 members. This is compared to about 3 dozen anti-slavery societies in the North. At this time, however, only about 25% of these societies or their members would be considered true abolitionists (i.e., advocates of immediate and unconditional emancipation). Instead, the vast majority of anti-slavery proponents at this time were colonizationists, advocating that slaves should only be emancipated as quickly as they could and sent back to Africa. Only later by the 1840's did the near full abolitionist advocacy take hold with an even greater number of white Southerners.

• Their choice was either to move North and be able to speak out, or stay in the South and keep their mouthes shut most abolitionists voices were muted except with friends. The black Southern abolitionists didn't even have that choice
• Many of the leaders of the national abolition movement and underground railroad were white Southerners and this has been seriously downplayed in history. Instead historians have focused their attention on the Massachusetts groups like William Lloyd Garrison etc. and later John Brown. Most Americans for example don't realize is that there were many Southern abolitionists, and that they in fact were advocating universal, immediate emancipation as early as the 1810s, when William Lloyd Garrion and Harriet Beecher Stowe were still young children .
• There was another answer on this question that was rather incomplete and did not note the Grimke sisters. Their stories make very interesting reading. PBS ran a documentary on them several years ago.

The following list shows a small number of the more historically important and influential white Southern abolitionists:
Moncure Conway (1832-1907) was one of the South’s best known abolitionists and originally was a slaveholder; he eventually freed his slaves:

• Reverend John Rankin
• James G. Birney (sold his plantation and slaves to cover gambling debts then became a lawyer then an abolitionist)
• Levi Coffin
• Charles Osbor - As early as the mid 1810s, this man was already promoting unconditional, immediate emancipation. His name was Charles Osborn, a member of the Society of Friends (a.k.a. Quakers) in Tennessee. He was born in 1775 in Guilford County, North Carolina, and came to Tennessee as a preacher in 1806. In 1815, he co-founded the Tennessee Manumission Society.
• Angelina Grimke and her younger sister Sarah Grimke The sisters' public speaking and involvement in the political sphere drew condemnation from Northern religious leaders and traditionalists who did not believe that it was a woman's place to speak in public. The sisters soon found themselves fighting also for equality of the sexes and women's rights, following women like Sojourner Truth on equating and linking the rights of blacks and women.

Hinton HelperDuncan Smith (also a spy)
John G. Fee
Reverend James Gilliland
Alexander Campbell (also freed his slaves)Thomas McCague
Reverend Jesse Lockhart
Colonel James Poage (also freed his slaves)
William Dunlop (also freed his slaves)
William Williamson (also freed his slaves)
Reverend George Bourne
John Fairchild
James Thome
Arthur Thome (also freed his slaves)
William T Allan
John van Zandt

• Most of these people had horrific stories to tell living a near double life in the South.

 

[rightwinger]

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass....

Nice backpedal, but anyone lies as much as the far Left does cannot simply walk back their previous lies.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

...All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

Another alt-LW lie.

https://www.quora.com/Were-there-wh...who-fought-for-abolition-before-the-Civil-War
There were thousands of white Southern abolitionists who picked up their furniture and families and moved generally Northwest but for sure north of the Mason-Dixon Line. There were many who stayed and fought in small to big ways as abolitionists also - but they obviously were a minority.In 1827, there were 106 anti-slavery societies in the South, with an estimated 6625 members. This is compared to about 3 dozen anti-slavery societies in the North. At this time, however, only about 25% of these societies or their members would be considered true abolitionists (i.e., advocates of immediate and unconditional emancipation). Instead, the vast majority of anti-slavery proponents at this time were colonizationists, advocating that slaves should only be emancipated as quickly as they could and sent back to Africa. Only later by the 1840's did the near full abolitionist advocacy take hold with an even greater number of white Southerners.

• Their choice was either to move North and be able to speak out, or stay in the South and keep their mouthes shut most abolitionists voices were muted except with friends. The black Southern abolitionists didn't even have that choice
• Many of the leaders of the national abolition movement and underground railroad were white Southerners and this has been seriously downplayed in history. Instead historians have focused their attention on the Massachusetts groups like William Lloyd Garrison etc. and later John Brown. Most Americans for example don't realize is that there were many Southern abolitionists, and that they in fact were advocating universal, immediate emancipation as early as the 1810s, when William Lloyd Garrion and Harriet Beecher Stowe were still young children .
• There was another answer on this question that was rather incomplete and did not note the Grimke sisters. Their stories make very interesting reading. PBS ran a documentary on them several years ago.

The following list shows a small number of the more historically important and influential white Southern abolitionists:
Moncure Conway (1832-1907) was one of the South’s best known abolitionists and originally was a slaveholder; he eventually freed his slaves:

• Reverend John Rankin
• James G. Birney (sold his plantation and slaves to cover gambling debts then became a lawyer then an abolitionist)
• Levi Coffin
• Charles Osbor - As early as the mid 1810s, this man was already promoting unconditional, immediate emancipation. His name was Charles Osborn, a member of the Society of Friends (a.k.a. Quakers) in Tennessee. He was born in 1775 in Guilford County, North Carolina, and came to Tennessee as a preacher in 1806. In 1815, he co-founded the Tennessee Manumission Society.
• Angelina Grimke and her younger sister Sarah Grimke The sisters' public speaking and involvement in the political sphere drew condemnation from Northern religious leaders and traditionalists who did not believe that it was a woman's place to speak in public. The sisters soon found themselves fighting also for equality of the sexes and women's rights, following women like Sojourner Truth on equating and linking the rights of blacks and women.

Hinton HelperDuncan Smith (also a spy)
John G. Fee
Reverend James Gilliland
Alexander Campbell (also freed his slaves)Thomas McCague
Reverend Jesse Lockhart
Colonel James Poage (also freed his slaves)
William Dunlop (also freed his slaves)
William Williamson (also freed his slaves)
Reverend George Bourne
John Fairchild
James Thome
Arthur Thome (also freed his slaves)
William T Allan
John van Zandt

• Most of these people had horrific stories to tell living a near double life in the South.

Thanks for proving my point...

When you can only refer to a few thousand abolitionists out of 6 million you prove the complicity of the south

If you owned slaves....You were a terrorist
If you engaged in lynching, bombing, burning, intimidation....You were a terrorist

Those who passed laws and enforced them were complicit
Those who looked the other way were complicit

 

[Redfish]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

LOL. Please keep screaming that from the housetops: ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE TERRORISTS AND EQUAL TO AL-QAEDA!

It's why most Americans don't trust Hillary supporters; they're liars who hate millions of their fellow Americans.

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass

All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

you are totally full of shit and the most biased uninformed poster on this board. Generalizations are always wrong, as are you.

 

[Redfish]

I am still waiting for anyone to tell me how removing these statues is going to improve the city of New Orleans.

How will this reduce crime? stop poverty? fix the potholes? clean up the French quarter? make the Saints win the super bowl, bring more industry to the city? hire more cops? lower taxes?

What exactly is this going to accomplish? Anyone?????

 

[rightwinger]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

LOL. Please keep screaming that from the housetops: ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE TERRORISTS AND EQUAL TO AL-QAEDA!

It's why most Americans don't trust Hillary supporters; they're liars who hate millions of their fellow Americans.

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass

All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

you are totally full of shit and the most biased uninformed poster on this board. Generalizations are always wrong, as are you.

It is not a generalization, it is supported by history

While most southerners did not own slaves, they supported elected officials who fought for slavery. Making them complicit
Not all southerners were terrorists. But they supported and covered up for those who were
Elected southern governments supported slavery and instituted and enforce Jim Crow Laws

 

[Skull Pilot]

In general people are just looking to be offended by something, anything really, it makes them feel important and when we cave in to their whining we are just reinforcing that behavior.

Funny how all the people here would be aghast if the Muslims tore down the Pyramids as they would like to simply because they are offended by an ancient religion

 

[Skull Pilot]

What else would you call those who bomb, lynch and commit arson or those who protect those who do?

Terrorist

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.

There is only one word to describe those from the south........Terrorists

In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

you mean like all Americans did when we rebelled against the crown?

 

[Redfish]

You are free to hate all Southerners and call all black, Hispanic, whatever Southerners terrorists. I'm free to disagree and call you on your bullshit.In the end, your hatred only serves to proof how out of touch the Democratic Party has become.

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

LOL. Please keep screaming that from the housetops: ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE TERRORISTS AND EQUAL TO AL-QAEDA!

It's why most Americans don't trust Hillary supporters; they're liars who hate millions of their fellow Americans.

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass

All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

you are totally full of shit and the most biased uninformed poster on this board. Generalizations are always wrong, as are you.

It is not a generalization, it is supported by history

While most southerners did not own slaves, they supported elected officials who fought for slavery. Making them complicit
Not all southerners were terrorists. But they supported and covered up for those who were
Elected southern governments supported slavery and instituted and enforce Jim Crow Laws

your regional bias has overcome your ability to think and reason. There were slaves in Illinois (land of Lincoln) and other northern and western states AFTER the civil war. Only 4% of southerners owned slaves. your "complicit" argument doesn't stand up to a logic test.

Yes, there were racist assholes in the south before and after the civil war, but those same assholes were in the north, west, and central states as well, and most of them were democrats.

 

[Redfish]

I am still waiting for anyone to tell me how removing these statues is going to improve the city of New Orleans.

How will this reduce crime? stop poverty? fix the potholes? clean up the French quarter? make the Saints win the super bowl, bring more industry to the city? hire more cops? lower taxes?

What exactly is this going to accomplish? Anyone?????

still waiting-----------------------anyone?

 

[rightwinger]

In general people are just looking to be offended by something, anything really, it makes them feel important and when we cave in to their whining we are just reinforcing that behavior.

Funny how all the people here would be aghast if the Muslims tore down the Pyramids as they would like to simply because they are offended by an ancient religion

Why are you offended by a bunch of stupid monuments being taken down?

 

[Skull Pilot]

In general people are just looking to be offended by something, anything really, it makes them feel important and when we cave in to their whining we are just reinforcing that behavior.

Funny how all the people here would be aghast if the Muslims tore down the Pyramids as they would like to simply because they are offended by an ancient religion

Why are you offended by a bunch of stupid monuments being taken down?

I'm not I just think it's stupid to try and erase history

why are you offended by a statue of a dead guy?

 

[rightwinger]

I am still waiting for anyone to tell me how removing these statues is going to improve the city of New Orleans.

How will this reduce crime? stop poverty? fix the potholes? clean up the French quarter? make the Saints win the super bowl, bring more industry to the city? hire more cops? lower taxes?

What exactly is this going to accomplish? Anyone?????

still waiting-----------------------anyone?

Who ever claimed.....Removing monuments will reduce crime? stop poverty? fix the potholes? clean up the French quarter? make the Saints win the super bowl, bring more industry to the city? hire more cops? lower taxes?

There are many things that happen in our daily lives that do none of that

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am still waiting for anyone to tell me how removing these statues is going to improve the city of New Orleans.

How will this reduce crime? stop poverty? fix the potholes? clean up the French quarter? make the Saints win the super bowl, bring more industry to the city? hire more cops? lower taxes?

What exactly is this going to accomplish? Anyone?????

still waiting-----------------------anyone?

Who ever claimed.....Removing monuments will reduce crime? stop poverty? fix the potholes? clean up the French quarter? make the Saints win the super bowl, bring more industry to the city? hire more cops? lower taxes?

There are many things that happen in our daily lives that do none of that

it'll make the perpetually offended feel good about themselves

I guess that's the only goal

 

[rightwinger]

When Southerners were told they could no longer own slaves or keep blacks as second class citizens, they resorted to terrorism

America's example of AlQaeda

LOL. Please keep screaming that from the housetops: ALL SOUTHERNERS ARE TERRORISTS AND EQUAL TO AL-QAEDA!

It's why most Americans don't trust Hillary supporters; they're liars who hate millions of their fellow Americans.

It is not all Southerners engaging in terrorism. But all white southerners were complicit
They looked the other way, elected leaders who protected the terrorists, joined juries that gave terrorists a free pass

All white southerners bought in to the south's "peculiar institution", they actively supported segregation, very few participated in the Civil Rights movement, they voted for segregationists

you are totally full of shit and the most biased uninformed poster on this board. Generalizations are always wrong, as are you.

It is not a generalization, it is supported by history

While most southerners did not own slaves, they supported elected officials who fought for slavery. Making them complicit
Not all southerners were terrorists. But they supported and covered up for those who were
Elected southern governments supported slavery and instituted and enforce Jim Crow Laws

your regional bias has overcome your ability to think and reason. There were slaves in Illinois (land of Lincoln) and other northern and western states AFTER the civil war. Only 4% of southerners owned slaves. your "complicit" argument doesn't stand up to a logic test.

Yes, there were racist assholes in the south before and after the civil war, but those same assholes were in the north, west, and central states as well, and most of them were democrats.

4% of southerners owned slaves ...but slaves made up 40% of the southern population

Yet, with only 4% actually owning those 4 million slaves, elected officials unilaterally supported maintaining and protecting the right to own slaves. It takes over 50% to get elected. That makes all southerners complicit in the institution of slavery

In fact, no elected officials in the south were opposed to slavery

 

[Divine Wind]

...Not all southerners were terrorists....

Wow, you're backpedaling faster than a circus clown now!