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Neither are the Liberals. As for treason, I am now doubting your qualifications to teach history....except in some high school specializing in safe spaces, unicorns and rainbows.Conservatives aren't through playing the victim card and defending treason.
See, fishyred, you know nothing about this.'Yup, mac called out DE for sure, and DE walked right into it.
Doan' matuh no how no moah. The statues are going away.
If you don't like history, rewrite it, pretend it never happened, refuse to learn from it. But get the votes of your far left base at all costs.
you dumb shit, this is not about statues its about Landrieu trying to get another term as mayor.
Agreed. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in Southern states, not elsewhere.People fought and died in the civil war for what they believed (and it was NOT about slavery).
oh yes it was
what the hell are you talking about?
Don't make yourself look more stupid than you already do. The civil war was not about slavery, there were slaves in the union states AFTER the war ended.
The Emancipation Proclamation
The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."
Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory.
Morally? WTF?Last point: You cannot factually or morally say Confederates are US soldiers. Because they weren't. They were CSA solders. Again, it's sad that you need to lie to feel better about yourself. But whatever helps you get through the day.
Progressives aren't through trying to piss people off yet.
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Conservatives aren't through playing the victim card and defending treason.
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The one's playing the victim card are those demanding that the monuments be torn down and that Confederate soldier graves be desecrated against the laws that exist to honor those soldiers as US soldiers. All because progressives are snowflakes who have to find something to take offense too as they run for their safe place.
Just another slap in the face to the military by the progressives.
*****SMILE*****
It's sad that you need to change the subject in order to try and claim victory. This thread is discussing removing MONUMENTS, not graves. It's also sad that I predicted the snowflake charge before you made it.
But hey, I get it. You know you're wrong, and that ol' cognitive dissonance gets the better of you. So you need to turn a statue in a public space into a grave, and chance removal into desecration. Again, victim card. "Wahh, I wants my statues to Lee and Davis! It's my heritage and I'm all offended and stuff! Leave the South alone!"
Last point: You cannot factually or morally say Confederates are US soldiers. Because they weren't. They were CSA solders. Again, it's sad that you need to lie to feel better about yourself. But whatever helps you get through the day.
back to your normal stupidity, I see.All the Confederate Monuments should be relocated to the zoo where monkeys can shit all over them
Again, going away from the topic. Lemme bring you back on point. (But first, thanks for not replying when I shot down your "believed for" argument. I appreciate the tacit admittance of defeat.)I have a degree in US History. I've taught US History. I've read primary and secondary sources. I'm not infallible by any means, but if you want to wade in here and accuse me of being ignoring and lying, either present some facts or STFU.Better question: Why are they even there? Why did we spend public money on monuments to people who killed US soldiers over a state's right to enslave people?Seriously, why can't you just leave them alone?
The civil war was a terrible time in our history. What's even more terrible is lying about who and what it was about.
Since you obviously know nothing about American history, I am not going to waste my time on you.
But if you really care, get on google and bring up the civil war, read all you can on it, not just the current BS from the left who are trying to rewrite history.
The people represented by those statues fought and died for what they believed in. Taking them down is no better than when muslims destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan.
We cannot learn from history if we destroy it or lie about it.
Yes, they fought and died for what they believed in. That doesn't mean they're justified. Having a belief is not the same as being correct, and honoring those who killed US soldiers in battle is just plain weird.
have you ever heard of the Washington monument? How about the Jefferson memorial? They both are very prominent in our nations capital. Monuments to slave owners. Should we take them down so as not to offend the decendents of slaves who if not for American slavery might be dinner for some African war lord?
Morally? WTF?Last point: You cannot factually or morally say Confederates are US soldiers. Because they weren't. They were CSA solders. Again, it's sad that you need to lie to feel better about yourself. But whatever helps you get through the day.
The fact remains they were all American soldiers, in some cases literally brothers fighting brothers, fathers fighting sons.
Progressives aren't through trying to piss people off yet.
*****SAD SMILE*****
Conservatives aren't through playing the victim card and defending treason.
View attachment 123226
The one's playing the victim card are those demanding that the monuments be torn down and that Confederate soldier graves be desecrated against the laws that exist to honor those soldiers as US soldiers. All because progressives are snowflakes who have to find something to take offense too as they run for their safe place.
Just another slap in the face to the military by the progressives.
*****SMILE*****
It's sad that you need to change the subject in order to try and claim victory. This thread is discussing removing MONUMENTS, not graves. It's also sad that I predicted the snowflake charge before you made it.
But hey, I get it. You know you're wrong, and that ol' cognitive dissonance gets the better of you. So you need to turn a statue in a public space into a grave, and chance removal into desecration. Again, victim card. "Wahh, I wants my statues to Lee and Davis! It's my heritage and I'm all offended and stuff! Leave the South alone!"
Last point: You cannot factually or morally say Confederates are US soldiers. Because they weren't. They were CSA solders. Again, it's sad that you need to lie to feel better about yourself. But whatever helps you get through the day.
point of clarification. If the confederacy had won, the confederate soldiers would have been US soldiers and the union soldiers would have been the invaders. History is what you make of it, and the victors usually write history.
Better than the Three-Fifths Compromise. It was ratified on December 6th, 1965, eight months after the Civil War ended.Agreed. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in Southern states, not elsewhere.People fought and died in the civil war for what they believed (and it was NOT about slavery).
oh yes it was
what the hell are you talking about?
Don't make yourself look more stupid than you already do. The civil war was not about slavery, there were slaves in the union states AFTER the war ended.
The Emancipation Proclamation
The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."
Despite this expansive wording, the Emancipation Proclamation was limited in many ways. It applied only to states that had seceded from the Union, leaving slavery untouched in the loyal border states. It also expressly exempted parts of the Confederacy that had already come under Northern control. Most important, the freedom it promised depended upon Union military victory.
How did the 13th amendment work out?
The thread is about Confederate Civil War Monuments. You referred to MLK, Cape Canaveral, and the Reagan Washington Int. Airport.How much could you possibly know or care about the Civil War and the tributes put up for Confederate soldiers and leaders? You think the monuments have stood "hundreds" of years.What will Lee circle be without Lee's statue? A roundabout with grass and a mound in the middle of it.
Who exactly is offended by these historical monuments that have stood for hundreds of years? Who and why? And why all of a sudden did they become offensive?
I am offended that every city in the country has to have a MLK boulevard. I am offended that Cape Canaveral was renamed Cape Kennedy and that Washington national airport was renamed Reagan airport.
WTF are we trying to accomplish with this foolishness?
Statues are tributes. A decreasing number of citizens believe the Confederates deserve tributes. A growing number are embarrassed and or offended that their communities pay tribute. The end result is that the government entities responsible for maintaining these statues and monuments no longer want that responsibility or to in any way endorse what the subjects of the statues and monuments represented.
Ironic that the Confederate supporters allege the war was about states rights are now objecting about a state's or communities right to who and what it pays tribute to'
do your comments apply to Washington and Jefferson?
Dufus wants to pretend Democrats don't want to use skin color to tell people they can't have a job or fill a college opening today.Le sigh. Yet another conservative who cannot comprehend how political parties shifted over the years.Because Democrats want to erase their history so they can pretend they don't support racism.New Orleans has begun taking down Confederate monuments, moving them from public spaces to museums. Why is this controversial?
First, let's be honest: Taking up arms against the lawfully-elected government of the United States is treason. Sure, one man's treason is another man's freedom fighter. But IIRC (and please post links if I'm wrong so I can admit that clearly), the South started the Civil War because they believed Lincoln would dismantle slavery. Not because he said he would, because he didn't, but because they believed he would.
This isn't the case of a downtrodden, abused people rising up against a cruel, despotic government. IMO, that makes rebellion morally justified. But this is a case of people rising up against a democratic republic because they were worried the gov't would take away their slaves.
And I get that some folks want to change the Civil War into a noble struggle for state's rights. But let's remember two facts: 1) This is about the right to own black people as slaves, and 2) the feds hadn't trampled on that right when the South started war.
Now, I appreciate that the US Civil War is part of our history. We shouldn't ignore it or whitewash it. And there's nothing wrong with loving your state or respecting your ancestors. But why do some people want to keep statues and monuments dedicated to people who fought and killed US citizens? Would it be okay if a Muslim-American community built a statue of Nidal Hasan (the guy who killed 13 people at Fort Hood) and claim it's part of their heritage?
Seriously, why is removing these monuments to put into a museum so controversial?
Back then, Dems were conservative and Reps were liberal. That's not 100% true because our definition of those labels has changed somewhat, but it still fits.
Career politicians and their Political correctness wants to whitewash history and indoctrinate our youth…New Orleans has begun taking down Confederate monuments, moving them from public spaces to museums. Why is this controversial?
First, let's be honest: Taking up arms against the lawfully-elected government of the United States is treason. Sure, one man's treason is another man's freedom fighter. But IIRC (and please post links if I'm wrong so I can admit that clearly), the South started the Civil War because they believed Lincoln would dismantle slavery. Not because he said he would, because he didn't, but because they believed he would.
This isn't the case of a downtrodden, abused people rising up against a cruel, despotic government. IMO, that makes rebellion morally justified. But this is a case of people rising up against a democratic republic because they were worried the gov't would take away their slaves.
And I get that some folks want to change the Civil War into a noble struggle for state's rights. But let's remember two facts: 1) This is about the right to own black people as slaves, and 2) the feds hadn't trampled on that right when the South started war.
Now, I appreciate that the US Civil War is part of our history. We shouldn't ignore it or whitewash it. And there's nothing wrong with loving your state or respecting your ancestors. But why do some people want to keep statues and monuments dedicated to people who fought and killed US citizens? Would it be okay if a Muslim-American community built a statue of Nidal Hasan (the guy who killed 13 people at Fort Hood) and claim it's part of their heritage?
Seriously, why is removing these monuments to put into a museum so controversial?
I expect they do. Plow Gettysburg under to make room for Condos because Yankees are all about profit!Morally? WTF?Last point: You cannot factually or morally say Confederates are US soldiers. Because they weren't. They were CSA solders. Again, it's sad that you need to lie to feel better about yourself. But whatever helps you get through the day.
The fact remains they were all American soldiers, in some cases literally brothers fighting brothers, fathers fighting sons.
excellent points and exactly why those statues should remain.
do you libs want the Gettysburg battlefield in Pa plowed under? Just asking.
"American" means a citizen of the United States of America. If I renounced my citizenship and moved to Canada, I would be Canadian, not American.They were all Americans. A fact you should know if you really are a well-rounded history teacher. The fact that war killed off 2% of the US population and is still a point of contention should tell you something about how deep this issue runs through American culture....Having a belief is not the same as being correct, and honoring those who killed US soldiers in battle is just plain weird.
Again, going away from the topic. Lemme bring you back on point. (But first, thanks for not replying when I shot down your "believed for" argument. I appreciate the tacit admittance of defeat.)I have a degree in US History. I've taught US History. I've read primary and secondary sources. I'm not infallible by any means, but if you want to wade in here and accuse me of being ignoring and lying, either present some facts or STFU.Better question: Why are they even there? Why did we spend public money on monuments to people who killed US soldiers over a state's right to enslave people?Seriously, why can't you just leave them alone?
The civil war was a terrible time in our history. What's even more terrible is lying about who and what it was about.
Since you obviously know nothing about American history, I am not going to waste my time on you.
But if you really care, get on google and bring up the civil war, read all you can on it, not just the current BS from the left who are trying to rewrite history.
The people represented by those statues fought and died for what they believed in. Taking them down is no better than when muslims destroy Buddhas in Afghanistan.
We cannot learn from history if we destroy it or lie about it.
Yes, they fought and died for what they believed in. That doesn't mean they're justified. Having a belief is not the same as being correct, and honoring those who killed US soldiers in battle is just plain weird.
have you ever heard of the Washington monument? How about the Jefferson memorial? They both are very prominent in our nations capital. Monuments to slave owners. Should we take them down so as not to offend the decendents of slaves who if not for American slavery might be dinner for some African war lord?
No person besides Christ is perfect. I regret that our founding fathers were often slave owners, but the monuments are about what they did for this country — which is a lot.
Confederate generals and leaders aren't 100% devoid of morality or talent. But they took up arms against the US government. They killed US soldiers. They *hurt* this country a lot. A statue for Davis as President of the CSA in a USA building or spot of land is asinine.
Wrong how? Did Lincoln invaded the South because they had slaves or because they seceded?It was about a State's right to secede, not slavery per se. That said, the reason state's seceded was due to the slavery issue, but it was secession itself which caused the North to invade the South.People fought and died in the civil war for what they believed (and it was NOT about slavery).
oh yes it was
what the hell are you talking about?
wrong again
On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.
South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.
If D W is doubting you, Mac, then you are a solid success, because Divine Wind is wrong almost all of the time on cultural and historical matters, like this, for an example. You can tell that you are way ahead because D W pulls out the memes.Neither are the Liberals. As for treason, I am now doubting your qualifications to teach history....except in some high school specializing in safe spaces, unicorns and rainbows.Conservatives aren't through playing the victim card and defending treason.
