Why is it that so many conservatives are no longer interested in conserving natural resources?

[Wyatt earp]

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The biggest fans of conservation are hunters and sportsmen, and they are the biggest supporters financially.

Except for those who vote Republican based on the advice/influence of the NRA.

That don't even make sense? So all hunters vote Republican and have NRA cards?

A myth

 

[martybegan]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

What happened is that progressives went overboard, going from conservation, to banning any use of a resource whatsoever. Roosevelt was a hunter, and was concerned over wildlife populations because he knew over-hunting an use would lead to the loss of the population. He was also in favor of preserving natural beauty, but also leaving enough land to properly exploit for resource gathering.

Progressive environmentalists love the preserve part, but eliminate the controlled exploitation part which gave people in the various industries and activities impacted a role in the conservation.

A perfect example of this was that hunter from Texas who went and killed that Rhino Bull for $350k. What he killed was a non-breeding, older male, that was not only done contributing to gene pool, but was preventing other younger bulls from mating. The money he spend went to preservation work on the remaining Rhino's. THAT is conservation, but he was castigated by the animal rights people and the environmentalists, even though what he did (and what others will do) only helps the overall species at the expense of one older male. THAT is conservation, THAT is management of a resource, and environmentalists have gotten away from that concept.

 

[Freewill]

Once again a thread where a false paradigm is presented then argued against. No conservation of BS from liberals, that's for sure.

 

[Dot Com]

Contemporary conservatives think that capitalism is a form of gov't and therefore if something doesn't turn a profit then it has to be plowed under. Funny coming from them since vietraq cost this great nation dearly & they were cheering it on the whole time to this day.

Its actually just the opposite Dotty. As it's proven over and over again that when you put land into "commons", there is no personal interest in not abusing it. In Africa, when the govts attempted to run the all the wildlife land, it was constantly plundered and abused. When they released it to LOCAL control, the folks discovered new CAPITALIST methods to make it valuable to them. When your livelihood depends on the tourism and research that occurs in your little slice of nature -- you tend to protect and defend it much better..

Same story with fishing commons versus site licenses. The "owners" and leasees will spend their time and money to assure that it's not abused or overfished and act to improve its health..

True story dude... Capitalizing on nature aint always a bad thing..

thats funny "dude" because I've never met a conservative who happened to give a shit about the environment. True story

 

[bripat9643]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

Roosevelt was a progressive, not a conservative. Furthermore, no one "embraces" destruction of our natural environment, but eliminating the last 0.000000000000001% of mercury from Coal emissions isn't worth the $500 billion cost. Only left-wing imbeciles believe that cost is not an issue when it comes to cutting pollution.

 

[bripat9643]

Contemporary conservatives think that capitalism is a form of gov't and therefore if something doesn't turn a profit then it has to be plowed under. Funny coming from them since vietraq cost this great nation dearly & they were cheering it on the whole time to this day.

Its actually just the opposite Dotty. As it's proven over and over again that when you put land into "commons", there is no personal interest in not abusing it. In Africa, when the govts attempted to run the all the wildlife land, it was constantly plundered and abused. When they released it to LOCAL control, the folks discovered new CAPITALIST methods to make it valuable to them. When your livelihood depends on the tourism and research that occurs in your little slice of nature -- you tend to protect and defend it much better..

Same story with fishing commons versus site licenses. The "owners" and leasees will spend their time and money to assure that it's not abused or overfished and act to improve its health..

True story dude... Capitalizing on nature aint always a bad thing..

thats funny "dude" because I've never met a conservative who happened to give a shit about the environment. True story

Well, that's because you're a moron. Opposing left-wing schemes to bankrupt the country for the sake of making the environment 0.0000000001% cleaner does not equate to not giving a shit about the environment.

 

[bripat9643]

A lot of Republican Presidents have been interested in protecting and preserving National Parks, so it isn't strictly true that all Republicans are anti-conservation, and there are plenty of wealthy donors.

Ah but he didn't say "Republicans" -- he said "conservatives".

If you are making that distinction, then mainstream conservatives love fracking, oil wells, and the oil spills they create. India and China are testament to the 'free market vision', lots of expendable serfs there to exploit, and the rivers? Who cares.

You're proficient at spouting all the usual left-wing straw men and outright lies.

 

[bripat9643]

Because "conservatives" are very rarely true conservatives (there are a few out there, but a small minority).

Almost always what "conservatives" or Republicans actually represent are religious Christian groups or the money interests of big businesses, even if they aren't aware of it.

In some cases, particularly in the south, people are Republican solely due to racial issues. That's stone cold truth.

Why do liberal morons like you think you are authorized to define what "conservative" means? Somehow it always ends up being something indistinguishable from "liberal."

 

[Wyatt earp]

Contemporary conservatives think that capitalism is a form of gov't and therefore if something doesn't turn a profit then it has to be plowed under. Funny coming from them since vietraq cost this great nation dearly & they were cheering it on the whole time to this day.

Its actually just the opposite Dotty. As it's proven over and over again that when you put land into "commons", there is no personal interest in not abusing it. In Africa, when the govts attempted to run the all the wildlife land, it was constantly plundered and abused. When they released it to LOCAL control, the folks discovered new CAPITALIST methods to make it valuable to them. When your livelihood depends on the tourism and research that occurs in your little slice of nature -- you tend to protect and defend it much better..

Same story with fishing commons versus site licenses. The "owners" and leasees will spend their time and money to assure that it's not abused or overfished and act to improve its health..

True story dude... Capitalizing on nature aint always a bad thing..

thats funny "dude" because I've never met a conservative who happened to give a shit about the environment. True story

guess you never left the Bronx or South side of chicago or what ever hell hole you live in

 

[martybegan]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

Roosevelt was a progressive, not a conservative. Furthermore, no one "embraces" destruction of our natural environment, but eliminating the last 0.000000000000001% of mercury from Coal emissions isn't worth the $500 billion cost. Only left-wing imbeciles believe that cost is not an issue when it comes to cutting pollution.

Exactly. Environmentalists today only care about stopping things, not figuring out how to properly exploit a resource safely and cleanly.

 

[Misty]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

It's because the EPA has let power go to their heads and become ridiculous.

 

[The Rabbi]

Contemporary conservatives think that capitalism is a form of gov't and therefore if something doesn't turn a profit then it has to be plowed under. Funny coming from them since vietraq cost this great nation dearly & they were cheering it on the whole time to this day.

Its actually just the opposite Dotty. As it's proven over and over again that when you put land into "commons", there is no personal interest in not abusing it. In Africa, when the govts attempted to run the all the wildlife land, it was constantly plundered and abused. When they released it to LOCAL control, the folks discovered new CAPITALIST methods to make it valuable to them. When your livelihood depends on the tourism and research that occurs in your little slice of nature -- you tend to protect and defend it much better..

Same story with fishing commons versus site licenses. The "owners" and leasees will spend their time and money to assure that it's not abused or overfished and act to improve its health..

True story dude... Capitalizing on nature aint always a bad thing..

thats funny "dude" because I've never met a conservative who happened to give a shit about the environment. True story

You never met a conservative. Period.

 

[2aguy]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

No...what you hear is us mocking the fake conservation of the left......they hate people and want to limit what people can do.....and capitalism lead us to having the clean environment we have today...rich, wealthy countries like to live in green, clean places....it is the socialist countries of the world that allow their governments to destroy their environments...

We want clean energy...and the left blocks nuclear energy.....they instead want energy that is unreliable and unpredictable......

 

[Wyatt earp]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

It's because the EPA has let power go to their heads and become ridiculous.

With Obama's blessing, a future president democrat or republican going to have a chore ahead of them to put the leash on the EPA.

 

[Darkwind]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

Who told you that they don't? And don't use a stupid example of a few people trying to get a liberals goat by making comments like that....now, excuse Me while I go tend to My tire fire in the back yard.

 

[Freewill]

Contemporary conservatives think that capitalism is a form of gov't and therefore if something doesn't turn a profit then it has to be plowed under. Funny coming from them since vietraq cost this great nation dearly & they were cheering it on the whole time to this day.

Its actually just the opposite Dotty. As it's proven over and over again that when you put land into "commons", there is no personal interest in not abusing it. In Africa, when the govts attempted to run the all the wildlife land, it was constantly plundered and abused. When they released it to LOCAL control, the folks discovered new CAPITALIST methods to make it valuable to them. When your livelihood depends on the tourism and research that occurs in your little slice of nature -- you tend to protect and defend it much better..

Same story with fishing commons versus site licenses. The "owners" and leasees will spend their time and money to assure that it's not abused or overfished and act to improve its health..

True story dude... Capitalizing on nature aint always a bad thing..

thats funny "dude" because I've never met a conservative who happened to give a shit about the environment. True story

Nixon was a liberal? I agree he was dishonest enough to be a liberal but what says you?

 

[Nyvin]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

No...what you hear is us mocking the fake conservation of the left......they hate people and want to limit what people can do.....and capitalism lead us to having the clean environment we have today...rich, wealthy countries like to live in green, clean places....it is the socialist countries of the world that allow their governments to destroy their environments...

We want clean energy...and the left blocks nuclear energy.....they instead want energy that is unreliable and unpredictable......

Capitalism nearly consumed all wilderness areas until the conservation movements in the 60's started up....capitalism by itself is designed to consume, consume, consume. That isn't to say socialism "doesn't"....it just means they both do.

Also the left doesn't block nuclear energy by itself, there are plenty on the right that are against it as well. It's a mixed issue.

 

[Freewill]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

No...what you hear is us mocking the fake conservation of the left......they hate people and want to limit what people can do.....and capitalism lead us to having the clean environment we have today...rich, wealthy countries like to live in green, clean places....it is the socialist countries of the world that allow their governments to destroy their environments...

We want clean energy...and the left blocks nuclear energy.....they instead want energy that is unreliable and unpredictable......

What else they do is pretend to care about global warming. Then they have the EPA cripple the coal industry over mercury emissions. Which is bad sure enough in a big quantity but mercury has nothing to do with global warming. In other words they lie.

 

[2aguy]

Conservation.

It is (or at least it used to be) a concept that conservatives embraced. In fact, Teddy Roosevelt was on the vanguard of the conservation movement through the establishment of our national parks. Now, conservatives routinely deride the setting aside of public lands for preservation.

In fact, very often today I hear conservatives mock the concept of conservation. As an example of that, it's not uncommon for some conservatives to come on this board on Earth Day and proudly proclaim that they fully intend on turning on every light in their homes with the intention of leaving them on all night.

What happened to the conservative movement to make them abandon one of their core beliefs and instead embrace waste up to and including the destruction of our natural environment?

No...what you hear is us mocking the fake conservation of the left......they hate people and want to limit what people can do.....and capitalism lead us to having the clean environment we have today...rich, wealthy countries like to live in green, clean places....it is the socialist countries of the world that allow their governments to destroy their environments...

We want clean energy...and the left blocks nuclear energy.....they instead want energy that is unreliable and unpredictable......

Capitalism nearly consumed all wilderness areas until the conservation movements in the 60's started up....capitalism by itself is designed to consume, consume, consume. That isn't to say socialism "doesn't"....it just means they both do.

Also the left doesn't block nuclear energy by itself, there are plenty on the right that are against it as well. It's a mixed issue.

Sorry...it was only because we were wealthy and could afford to care about it that the environment was cleaned up....wealthy people have leisure time to do something other than simply work to survive and they can devote their time to making other parts of their lives better.......you'll see this happen in China since they are becoming more wealthy....they will be taking care of their socialists generated pollution problem fairly soon.....

 

[hipeter924]

A lot of Republican Presidents have been interested in protecting and preserving National Parks, so it isn't strictly true that all Republicans are anti-conservation, and there are plenty of wealthy donors.

Ah but he didn't say "Republicans" -- he said "conservatives".

If you are making that distinction, then mainstream conservatives love fracking, oil wells, and the oil spills they create. India and China are testament to the 'free market vision', lots of expendable serfs there to exploit, and the rivers? Who cares.

You're proficient at spouting all the usual left-wing straw men and outright lies.

*yawn*

Your proficient at being a partisan ass, and calling me 'left wing' with no evidence of my voting history is just plan stupid.

Everything that comes out of your mouth is usually rage and put downs, or just so silly it could have its own comedy routine.