Why is it Mexico and Canada's fault if Americans like Fentanyl?

[BackAgain]

It would be a work in progress, details to be worked out as we go along.

Doubtful.

I suspect part of the problem is the lack of planning and concern for contingencies and possible unintended consequences.

 

[godincarnate.me]

Why is it the parents fault if their six year old brings a gun to school? Or if their toddler sticks a paper clip in an electrical outlet?

 

[Woodznutz]

Doubtful.

I suspect part of the problem is the lack of planning and concern for contingencies and possible unintended consequences.

Astute politicians understand that most of our problems come from the electorate, so they cannot be held responsible in any way lest the politicians are voted out of office. So, knowing they are impotent in this regard they use their time in office to enrich themselves while the electorate happily engages in self-destruction.

And everyone lived happily ever after.

 

[BackAgain]

Astute politicians understand that most of our problems come from the electorate, so they cannot be held responsible in any way lest the politicians are voted out of office. So, knowing they are impotent in this regard they use their time in office to enrich themselves while the electorate happily engages in self-destruction.

And everyone lived happily ever after.

I’m not that cynical. But I do say that we carry responsibility for putting in charlatans and for not demanding what we really need.

 

[Woodznutz]

I’m not that cynical. But I do say that we carry responsibility for putting in charlatans and for not demanding what we really need.

What we really need is to be policed and educated.

 

[Rogue AI]

You're such a smart feller! You sound like every other Drug Czar since before and after Reagan/Bush, advocating for policies that have not worked for over a century now, true fanaticism.

Didn't the same loons say the same about illegal alien invaders? Indeed they did. Yet strict enforcement and tighter border control proved that wrong. No reason to think the same will not work for illegal drugs. No supply, no addicts. That's reality, as there were exactly zero fentanyl addicts a hundred years ago. Demand is irrelevant if there is no supply.

 

[Woodznutz]

Didn't the same loons say the same about illegal alien invaders? Indeed they did. Yet strict enforcement and tighter border control proved that wrong. No reason to think the same will not work for illegal drugs. No supply, no addicts. That's reality, as there were exactly zero fentanyl addicts a hundred years ago. Demand is irrelevant if there is no supply.

It's easier to reduce demand than reduce the supply.

 

[BackAgain]

What we really need is to be policed and educated.

We want police not so much for us needing policing, but to have the malefactors out their brought to heel.

We also need an educated populace. We can’t rely on our public school systems to provide that to our young folks anymore. And we also can’t rely on fai objective reporting from professional journalists, since the MSM is no longer interested in reporting “news” that’s not slanted and distorted. By a large, journalism is no longer a profession if it ever really was.

 

[PeterPilot]

It's easier to reduce demand than reduce the supply.

Both of my kids were enrolled in DARE classes in the 90's. They both went on to experiment with drugs. They did survive.

Making a big deal about such things stimulates the "forbidden fruit syndrome" especially in youngsters.

 

[PeterPilot]

Addiction is a tortured love affair between the addict and his or her drugs where the drugs are the "Dom" .

Yes, and isn't it interesting to compare the tortured love affair and its social implications between, for example, caffeine and cocaine. Alcohol and pot?

With the legal drugs society easily adapts and adjusts, as a post above points out with tobacco use, and with the illegal drugs we have developed a huge prison industrial complex at great monetary expense and great social expense.

 

[Edgetho]

100,000 Americans die of fentanyl and Howard Lutnick says the solution is to impose tariffs on Mexico and Canada.

Trump's commerce nominee was asked about tariffs on Canada and Mexico: Hear the exchange

You miss the point entirely. All of you.

It is illegal to import dangerous drugs into this country while avoiding the FDA, import duties, inspections, verifications of purity, etc.

Just like it's illegal to import Nuclear Weapons, Anthrax and any number of other dangerous items.

Even something as mundane as Cars. You can't just import a Car from -- Anywhere, without going through the proper channels.

And when it comes to dangerous substances, if it's a State Actor and they're doing it in order to harm the People of this Country, that is technically an Act of War.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes, and isn't it interesting to compare the tortured love affair and its social implications between, for example, caffeine and cocaine. Alcohol and pot?

With the legal drugs society easily adapts and adjusts, as a post above points out with tobacco use, and with the illegal drugs we have developed a huge prison industrial complex at great monetary expense and great social expense.

Comparisons can be made. No one is being murdered for dealing in alcohol, coffee, or tobacco products. And while booze can be purchased cheaply in Mexico there is no widespread importing of cheap illegal liquor (although "moonshine" is still a thing here). Same with coffee.

 

[Woodznutz]

Both of my kids were enrolled in DARE classes in the 90's. They both went on to experiment with drugs. They did survive.

Making a big deal about such things stimulates the "forbidden fruit syndrome" especially in youngsters.

Both of my kids did as well. However, like many in their screwed-up generation they are barely keeping their heads above water thanks to the nihilistic attitude they inherited.

It is a big deal when people who don't use drugs have to clean up the mess that those who use drugs make. Drug use, whether drugs or alcohol isn't a "victimless crime". We 'mess-cleaner-uppers' are the victims.

 

[PeterPilot]

Both of my kids did as well. However, like many in their screwed-up generation they are barely keeping their heads above water thanks to the nihilistic attitude they inherited.

It is a big deal when people who don't use drugs have to clean up the mess that those who use drugs make. Drug use, whether drugs or alcohol isn't a "victimless crime". We 'mess-cleaner-uppers' are the victims.

A DEA Administrative Law Judge named Francis Young declared marijuana to be the safest therapeutic substance known to man, after 3 days of hearings back in 1981, same year my daughter was born.

If the effects and harms of various illegal drugs are so dangerous and harmful, why is it that the only way it can be detected is by urine samples?

Why was Dr. William Halstead of Johns Hopkins back in the 1800s able to function perfectly normally for years even as he injected small doses of morphine? His use of cocaine was not so benign. Both are documented in the Consumer's Union Report in 1972 entitled LICIT & ILLICIT DRUGS. It can still be found online, but the original book format which I have is no longer in print as I understand it. Very informative.

 

[PeterPilot]

You miss the point entirely. All of you.

It is illegal to import dangerous drugs into this country while avoiding the FDA, import duties, inspections, verifications of purity, etc.

Just like it's illegal to import Nuclear Weapons, Anthrax and any number of other dangerous items.

Even something as mundane as Cars. You can't just import a Car from -- Anywhere, without going through the proper channels.

And when it comes to dangerous substances, if it's a State Actor and they're doing it in order to harm the People of this Country, that is technically an Act of War.

Did you know that pharmaceutical cocaine has valid medical uses, primarily in certain surgeries? Not sure about today, but back in the70s and 80s it was on the shelf in the drug store I worked in.

 

[Woodznutz]

If the effects and harms of various illegal drugs are so dangerous and harmful, why is it that the only way it can be detected is by urine samples?

I think nearly a million overdose events each year recorded by hospital emergency departments is a pretty good indicator of the danger of drugs and alcohol. Never mind the deaths, and unrecorded overdoses.

 

[Woodznutz]

I’m not that cynical. But I do say that we carry responsibility for putting in charlatans and for not demanding what we really need.

Like they say, "Demand in one hand and poop in the other. See which you get the most of."

Our leaders give us our choices...most are bad.

 

[godincarnate.me]

Why is it the parents fault if their six year old brings a gun to school? Or if their toddler sticks a paper clip in an electrical outlet?

It is absolutely the parents fault. Just so we’re clear.

 

[PeterPilot]

I think nearly a million overdose events each year recorded by hospital emergency departments is a pretty good indicator of the danger of drugs and alcohol. Never mind the deaths, and unrecorded overdoses.

Such overdoses and deaths have been common with black market street drugs for more than a century. In the 90s it started with OxyContin and the opioids, thanks to the Sackler Family and unscrupulous physicians and pharmacists. I know 8 or 10 friends whose children died of OxyContin overdoses. Life goes on, and the government does not give a damn about cannon fodder.

It is the prohibition that causes these things, in many ways. While DARE bullshit was taught to grade school and high school children in the 80s and 90s, many of those kids died because of the Sackler Family and the gang. I'm not the only one who understands this.

Defending (rationalizing is a better word) drug prohibition is intellectually and morally bankrupt. It has never worked and never will. People who support Trump's latest actions in the Caribbean are fooling themselves only.

 

[Woodznutz]

Such overdoses and deaths have been common with black market street drugs for more than a century. In the 90s it started with OxyContin and the opioids, thanks to the Sackler Family and unscrupulous physicians and pharmacists. I know 8 or 10 friends whose children died of OxyContin overdoses. Life goes on, and the government does not give a damn about cannon fodder.

It is the prohibition that causes these things, in many ways. While DARE bullshit was taught to grade school and high school children in the 80s and 90s, many of those kids died because of the Sackler Family and the gang. I'm not the only one who understands this.

Defending (rationalizing is a better word) drug prohibition is intellectually and morally bankrupt. It has never worked and never will. People who support Trump's latest actions in the Caribbean are fooling themselves only.

Death from drug overdosing is a natural phenomenon and should be embraced by those concerned with the 'problem'. Others should not be victimized because of this behavior.