why is gitmo bad ?

[washamericom]

can someone remind me why guantanamo is a bad thing?

 

[mdn2000]

Because liberal/democrats did not think of it first.

 

[washamericom]

maybe this should be in politics, i wazzant sure. holder's name came up this morning with mention of the ksm trial in nyc. rep king thinks that obama pulled the idea's plug. but do people think that it's a world perception problem? then i think, how else to deal with enemy combatants. it's a facility that is world class in detention, and probably for having a trial. it all seems in perfect order to me.

 

[Zoom-boing]

It isn't.

 

[jillian]

like hell it isn't...

putting people into an internment camp, without charging them with any crime or act and never trying them violates everything we pretend to stand for.

or maybe you want to ask second generation japanese-americans who were interned what's wrong with it.

 

[007]

maybe this should be in politics, i wazzant sure. holder's name came up this morning with mention of the ksm trial in nyc. rep king thinks that obama pulled the idea's plug. but do people think that it's a world perception problem? then i think, how else to deal with enemy combatants. it's a facility that is world class in detention, and probably for having a trial. it all seems in perfect order to me.

It's no worse than you being to lazy to capitalize letters in your sentences or misspelling wasn't.

 

[Sunni Man]

Up until the so called War on Terror.

America held the high ground when it came to Human Rights and a just legal system.

Most people around the world looked to the U.S. as a role model in this area.

But our use of water boarding, torture, and Gitmo, changed everything.

Now America is seen by the people in other countries as NO different than any other 3rd world dictatorship.

 

[Sallow]

It's sorta Unconstitutional.

But most conservatives never bother to read it.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Last time I was in GITMO, I was stationed aboard the USS SYLVANIA (AFS-2). Went to the EM Club for some beers and bingo. A HM2, also stationed aboard the USS SYLVANIA, won a Honda motorcycle playing bingo. I was sitting right beside him and we were both about 2/3's shitfaced. We thought GITMO was an ok place at the time.

Addition to story: Have you ever seen two drunk sailors trying to push a motorcycle down to the pier from the EM Club? It's an ugly picture.

 

[George Costanza]

It's sorta Unconstitutional.

But most conservatives never bother to read it.

Oh, they read it. They just ignore it when it suits their authoritarian purposes to do so.

 

[Sallow]

It's sorta Unconstitutional.

But most conservatives never bother to read it.

Oh, they read it. They just ignore it when it suits their authoritarian purposes to do so.

Well not really.

Conservative understanding of the Constitution doesn't really get past parsing of the second and tenth amendments..and applying convoluted meanings to them. When they actually do get around to reading it..they want to evisecerate it.

In any case..when President Bush was asked about water boarding..he said that "his lawyers" said it was legal..and that he was not a lawyer.

Even the slightest perusal of the Constitution would have let him know that what he did violated it.

And gitmo violates a plethora of rights granted by the Constitution.

 

[washamericom]

maybe this should be in politics, i wazzant sure. holder's name came up this morning with mention of the ksm trial in nyc. rep king thinks that obama pulled the idea's plug. but do people think that it's a world perception problem? then i think, how else to deal with enemy combatants. it's a facility that is world class in detention, and probably for having a trial. it all seems in perfect order to me.

It's no worse than you being to lazy to capitalize letters in your sentences or misspelling wasn't.

is that all you got harvard? i have a team of linguistic specialists scrutinizing your every post for inconsistencies, should have some interesting results by the end of the day.. and great comments, grammer abe lincoln, i think you meant 'too" lazy. i am. watch the sentence structure when you get "to" technical. remember, there is always someone out there (not me) to dust you when it comes to format. thanks for you military sevice. so you think gitmo is ok?

 

[washamericom]

It's sorta Unconstitutional.

But most conservatives never bother to read it.

Oh, they read it. They just ignore it when it suits their authoritarian purposes to do so.

Well not really.

Conservative understanding of the Constitution doesn't really get past parsing of the second and tenth amendments..and applying convoluted meanings to them. When they actually do get around to reading it..they want to evisecerate it.

In any case..when President Bush was asked about water boarding..he said that "his lawyers" said it was legal..and that he was not a lawyer.

Even the slightest perusal of the Constitution would have let him know that what he did violated it.

And gitmo violates a plethora of rights granted by the Constitution.

the only enemy combatants mentioned in the constitution are britsh, with rgard to quartering. do you mean "settled law" ?

 

[Sallow]

Oh, they read it. They just ignore it when it suits their authoritarian purposes to do so.

Well not really.

Conservative understanding of the Constitution doesn't really get past parsing of the second and tenth amendments..and applying convoluted meanings to them. When they actually do get around to reading it..they want to evisecerate it.

In any case..when President Bush was asked about water boarding..he said that "his lawyers" said it was legal..and that he was not a lawyer.

Even the slightest perusal of the Constitution would have let him know that what he did violated it.

And gitmo violates a plethora of rights granted by the Constitution.

the only enemy combatants mentioned in the constitution are britsh, with rgard to quartering. do you mean "settled law" ?

Enemy combatants are not in the Constitution.

 

[George Costanza]

can someone remind me why guantanamo is a bad thing?

It was utilized by the Bush administration because of its location, which (they felt) enabled them to skirt the laws and regulations prohibiting torture as well as various Constitutional guarantees, such as speedy trial and right to counsel.

You weren't aware of this?

 

[George Costanza]

Oh, they read it. They just ignore it when it suits their authoritarian purposes to do so.

Well not really.

Conservative understanding of the Constitution doesn't really get past parsing of the second and tenth amendments..and applying convoluted meanings to them. When they actually do get around to reading it..they want to evisecerate it.

In any case..when President Bush was asked about water boarding..he said that "his lawyers" said it was legal..and that he was not a lawyer.

Even the slightest perusal of the Constitution would have let him know that what he did violated it.

And gitmo violates a plethora of rights granted by the Constitution.

the only enemy combatants mentioned in the constitution are britsh, with rgard to quartering. do you mean "settled law" ?

Do you know this phrase "enemy combatants" is a relatively new phrase, dreamed up by the Bush administration as a term for getting around providing Constitutional protections to those otherwise entitled to them?

 

[washamericom]

like hell it isn't...

putting people into an internment camp, without charging them with any crime or act and never trying them violates everything we pretend to stand for.

or maybe you want to ask second generation japanese-americans who were interned what's wrong with it.

jillian how can you compare ksm (and others e.c. s) to japanese american citizens ? i dont' think history will see guantanamo so egregious as that internment.

 

[washamericom]

Well not really.

Conservative understanding of the Constitution doesn't really get past parsing of the second and tenth amendments..and applying convoluted meanings to them. When they actually do get around to reading it..they want to evisecerate it.

In any case..when President Bush was asked about water boarding..he said that "his lawyers" said it was legal..and that he was not a lawyer.

Even the slightest perusal of the Constitution would have let him know that what he did violated it.

And gitmo violates a plethora of rights granted by the Constitution.

the only enemy combatants mentioned in the constitution are britsh, with rgard to quartering. do you mean "settled law" ?

Do you know this phrase "enemy combatants" is a relatively new phrase, dreamed up by the Bush administration as a term for getting around providing Constitutional protections to those otherwise entitled to them?

i doubt it, i'm looking at the epistemology, i'll be back

 

[Big Black Dog]

can someone remind me why guantanamo is a bad thing?

It was utilized by the Bush administration because of its location, which (they felt) enabled them to skirt the laws and regulations prohibiting torture as well as various Constitutional guarantees, such as speedy trial and right to counsel.

You weren't aware of this?

If it would save American troops lives, and protect the US from terror attacks, I wouldn't care if they used bolt cutters and lopped off enemy combatants fingers an inch at the time to obtain useful information. The people detained there are not "model citizens" you know. There are reports of some of the ones they released already in the terror camps again and causing problems.

 

[Sallow]

Well not really.

Conservative understanding of the Constitution doesn't really get past parsing of the second and tenth amendments..and applying convoluted meanings to them. When they actually do get around to reading it..they want to evisecerate it.

In any case..when President Bush was asked about water boarding..he said that "his lawyers" said it was legal..and that he was not a lawyer.

Even the slightest perusal of the Constitution would have let him know that what he did violated it.

And gitmo violates a plethora of rights granted by the Constitution.

the only enemy combatants mentioned in the constitution are britsh, with rgard to quartering. do you mean "settled law" ?

Do you know this phrase "enemy combatants" is a relatively new phrase, dreamed up by the Bush administration as a term for getting around providing Constitutional protections to those otherwise entitled to them?

The idea isn't new. Lincoln suspended Habeas but was on much more firm constitutional ground to do so. Bush's use of this legal technique has absolutely no grounding in the United States Constitution. And his administration used many dodgy legalities to justify some very appalling violations of US law. Even if you hold up the argument that rights are only granted to citizens, which is completely and utterly wrong, Bush violated the rights of citizens as well. Most notably in the Jose Padilla case.