Zone1 Why is evil allowed in the world?

[TruthNotBS]

Because I’ve read the Old Testament and New Testament and can logically deduce this conclusion. The other made up religions are totally illogical and contradict themselves at every turn. Quite frankly I am not here to try to convince you, so I could care less what you think of that.

You believe this nonsense because you read your Judeo-Christian book? The bible is full of errors and contradictions. It's completely inconsistent with itself. Your religious beliefs are just as ridiculous as everyone else's. Your mythology is no better.

 

[buttercup]

Nope. I'm not blaming God for our actions. I am questioning God for his inaction. What godly cause is served by allowing an evil person to harm an innocent child? I would protect my blameless child. Why doesn't God do that?

Ah, I see your angle here. Well, here's the thing. If God were to prevent all evil from happening at all times, free will would be non-existant. In other words, it would never have been given to us in the first place.

What you're asking for would amount to people being like robots, pre-programmed to never do wrong, to only do good. Or marionettes who only do what the One pulling the strings wants them to do.

Obviously God didn't want that, as that would be pointless, and wrong. And a waste of time. Which gets back to why I said that God wants us to trust and love and obey Him WILLINGLY, not because we were pre-programmed to and have no choice in the matter.

So you can't really have it both ways. Either you want free will and accept that there will be some evil in this world.... Or you are basically asking for a world of robots or puppets on a string.

If you really want a world with no evil? Well, there will be a world like that one day, in the New Heaven and Earth. In Revelation, it says:

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

But you have to be reconciled to God to get there, you have to be born again.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Jews and Christians believe the whole universe went helter-skelter because a caveman and his wife ate from the wrong fruit tree after being tempted to do so by a talking snake. Before they bit into the apple, and sinned, Tyrannosaurus Rex was a vegan:

 

[buttercup]

Jews and Christians believe the whole universe went hilter-skelter because a caveman and his wife ate from the wrong fruit tree after being tempted to do so by a talking snake. Before they bit into the apple, and sinned, Tyrannosaurus Rex was a vegan:

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Actually, all of creation was basically vegan in the very beginning. (Genesis 1:29-30)

And one day, when Jesus returns, the world will go back to that peace and harmony and no flesh eating that was God's intent in the first place. (Isaiah 11:6-9)

That's why I'm a vegan, because I love animals and to honor God's perfect will. (I know that's an extremely controversial thing to say around here, so.... I should probably put on my flame suit)

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[TruthNotBS]

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Actually, all of creation was basically vegan in the very beginning. (Genesis 1:29-30)

And one day, when Jesus returns, the world will go back to that peace and harmony and no flesh eating that was God's intent in the first place. (Isaiah 11:6-9)

That's why I'm a vegan, because I love animals and to honor God's perfect will. (I know that's an extremely controversial thing to say around here, so.... I should probably put on my flame suit)

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It's not off-topic, because it pertains to suffering. Do you believe this tiger:

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Was a vegan? Look at his fangs and claws. Tigers are killing machines.

 

[buttercup]

It's not off-topic, because it pertains to suffering. Do you believe this tiger:

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Was a vegan? Look at his fangs and claws. Tigers are killing machines.

Predation was not part of God's original design. Predation came later, in part as a result of this being a fallen world. As you probably already know, according to the scriptures the world began to change significantly once sin came into the world, and it went downhill from there.

Unfortunately, a lot of people look at the way the world is today and wrongly assume it's how God designed it. Again, the way the world is now is not at all how it was in the very beginning.

 

[BULLDOG]

Ah, I see your angle here. Well, here's the thing. If God were to prevent all evil from happening at all times, free will would be non-existant. In other words, it would never have been given to us in the first place.

What you're asking for would amount to people being like robots, pre-programmed to never do wrong, to only do good. Or marionettes who only do what the One pulling the strings wants them to do.

Obviously God didn't want that, as that would be pointless, and wrong. And a waste of time. Which gets back to why I said that God wants us to trust and love and obey Him WILLINGLY, not because we were pre-programmed to and have no choice in the matter.

So you can't really have it both ways. Either you want free will and accept that there will be some evil in this world.... Or you are basically asking for a world of robots or puppets on a string.

If you really want a world with no evil? Well, there will be a world like that one day, in the New Heaven and Earth. In Revelation, it says:

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

But you have to be reconciled to God to get there, you have to be born again.

Nope. Two scenarios.
Scenario- Hell after death
An evil person rapes and kills an innocent child. When he dies, he receives the punishment he deserves in hell, forever
The kid suffers and dies.
Scenario - Loving forgiving parent.
The same evil person intends to rape and kill an innocent child. The loving parent protects the innocent child and punishes the evil person for his evil intent. The evil person receives a lighter punishment, but he has no doubt that evil will cause him grief, and he has the opportunity to correct his evil behavior. No need for hell except for those that repeatedly continue doing evil.

You talk of free will. In reality, it's only allowing the most evil people to injure countless innocent victims. A gentle correction would be enough for non-evil people to change their ways. and the world could be a better place to know and love God and have fellowship with him, like God intended.

Do you think parents are more loving and forgiving than God?

 

[buttercup]

Nope. Two scenarios.
Scenario- Hell after death
An evil person rapes and kills an innocent child. When he dies, he receives the punishment he deserves in hell, forever
The kid suffers and dies.
Scenario - Loving forgiving parent.
The same evil person intends to rape and kill an innocent child. The loving parent protects the innocent child and punishes the evil person for his evil intent. The evil person receives a lighter punishment, but he has no doubt that evil will cause him grief, and he has the opportunity to correct his evil behavior. No need for hell except for those that repeatedly continue doing evil.

You talk of free will. In reality, it's only allowing the most evil people to injure countless innocent victims. A gentle correction would be enough for non-evil people to change their ways. and the world could be a better place to know and love God and have fellowship with him, like God intended.

Do you think parents are more loving and forgiving than God?

I was just about to sign off here because it's nearly 2 AM and I was supposed to be asleep an hour ago. But you pretty much ignored everything I said...and when that happens it doesn't make me want to keep replying. You did say a couple things I want to reply to though, so I'll try to get back to this thread. In the meantime hopefully someone else will reply to your scenarios.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Predation was not part of God's original design. Predation came later, in part as a result of this being a fallen world. As you probably already know, according to the scriptures the world began to change significantly once sin came into the world, and it went downhill from there.

Unfortunately, a lot of people look at the way the world is today and wrongly assume it's how God designed it. Again, the way the world is now is not at all how it was in the very beginning.

Do you believe that? Tigers, lions, tyrannosaurus rex, and white sharks, were all vegans? Do you really believe, Adam and Eve ate from the wrong fruit tree after being tempted by a talking snake, and all of those animals I mentioned, grew fangs and claws and started killing each other? Why would you believe that? Do you also believe the universe is only 6000 years old?

 

[buttercup]

Do you believe that? Tigers, lions, tyrannosaurus rex, and white sharks, were all vegans? Do you really believe, Adam and Eve ate from the wrong fruit tree after being tempted by a talking snake, and all of those animals I mentioned, grew fangs and claws and started killing each other? Why would you believe that? Do you also believe the universe is only 6000 years old?

You're not getting this. Let me repeat. Those predatory animals didn't exist in the very beginning. They came later, as a result of this being a fallen world. Yes, that is what I believe. As for all the other stuff you're bringing up, I don't have time to argue with an emotional anti-Christian at 2 in the morning when - as I just said - I wanted to be in bed by an hour ago. So I'll let you argue with someone else.

Good night, you all!

 

[BULLDOG]

I was just about to sign off here because it's nearly 2 AM and I was supposed to be asleep an hour ago. But you pretty much ignored everything I said...and when that happens it doesn't make me want to keep replying. You did say a couple things I want to reply to though, so I'll try to get back to this thread. In the meantime hopefully someone else will reply to your scenarios.

Rest well. I'm interested in what you think I ignored.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You're not getting this. Let me repeat. Those predatory animals didn't exist in the very beginning. They came later, as a result of this being a fallen world. Yes, that is what I believe. As for all the other stuff you're bringing up, I don't have time to argue with an emotional anti-Christian at 2 in the morning when - as I just said - I wanted to be in bed by an hour ago. So I'll let you argue with someone else.

Good night, you all!

You believe human beings were alive with the dinosaurs, only a few thousand years ago? That's nonsense. Gobbledygook. You should be ashamed of yourself, for being so brainwashed and refusing to think critically.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lots of commonly accepted reasons why God created man. Some of those reasons are to reflect his image, rule over his creation, and produce godly offspring. Another reason would be to train others in the ways or righteousness. The main reason, however, is to know him and love him and to have fellowship with him. God wanted man to have perfect fellowship with him in a perfect world. None of those reasons require evil to exist. Certainly, God knew the suffering and damage that would be caused by evil in this world. Obviously, a Loving forgiving God could find a way to discipline those who misbehave short of subjecting them to evil. It's what parents do every day. Can you show any scripture supported reason why God was forced to allow evil into what was supposed to be a perfect world or was someone else powerful enough to make an all-powerful God abandon his plan and introduce evil into the world.

It’s actually a profound question and at the heart of the “Why am I here” question.

When I used to speculate on Bible stories pre finding Kabbalah, I thought that the snakes Apple was when the Ego found humanity and caused us to think in terms of greater then or lesser than. The spawn of that thinking, the first derivative, was Cain and Able. Cain so immersed in feeling lesser than, he kills his brother.

According to Kabbalah we chose a world where our commitment to Free Will would let us be like and act like the Creator.

We are each tiny sparks of the Creator trying to find our way back home

 

[Votto]

Of course, God would want willing compliance. That's not the issue. Should God release evil on the entire world for the misbehavior of one or two people? Isn't God capable of correcting his children individually when they misbehave instead of punishing them all for the behavior of one or two when it happens? God doesn't hit me as someone who would let things get out of hand. No parent punishes all his children for the behavior of one. Are parents more forgiving and loving than God?

I have to say, God is more loving than your man Joe Biden who refuses to acknowledge his own granddaughter.

Let me meet my grandpa: Joe Biden’s secret grandchild makes heartfelt plea

Five-year-old Navy Joan Roberts grins as she charges out of her bedroom while proudly cradling a postcard of Joe Biden.

www.yahoo.com

At least God sent his only Son to die for us instead of treating us all like bastards and shunning us for all eternity.

So, there is that

 

[BULLDOG]

It’s actually a profound question and at the heart of the “Why am I here” question.

When I used to speculate on Bible stories pre finding Kabbalah, I thought that the snakes Apple was when the Ego found humanity and caused us to think in terms of greater then or lesser than. The spawn of that thinking, the first derivative, was Cain and Able. Cain so immersed in feeling lesser than, he kills his brother.

According to Kabbalah we chose a world where our commitment to Free Will would let us be like and act like the Creator.

We are each tiny sparks of the Creator trying to find our way back home

I read a little about that and Ekankar, and a few other odd little umm religions? Didn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[BULLDOG]

I have to say, God is more loving than your man Joe Biden who refuses to acknowledge his own granddaughter.

Let me meet my grandpa: Joe Biden’s secret grandchild makes heartfelt plea

Five-year-old Navy Joan Roberts grins as she charges out of her bedroom while proudly cradling a postcard of Joe Biden.

www.yahoo.com

At least God sent his only Son to die for us instead of treating us all like bastards and shunning us for all eternity.

So, there is that

Most speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they think they have to say something.

 

[Votto]

Nope. Two scenarios.
Scenario- Hell after death
An evil person rapes and kills an innocent child. When he dies, he receives the punishment he deserves in hell, forever
The kid suffers and dies.
Scenario - Loving forgiving parent.
The same evil person intends to rape and kill an innocent child. The loving parent protects the innocent child and punishes the evil person for his evil intent. The evil person receives a lighter punishment, but he has no doubt that evil will cause him grief, and he has the opportunity to correct his evil behavior. No need for hell except for those that repeatedly continue doing evil.

You talk of free will. In reality, it's only allowing the most evil people to injure countless innocent victims. A gentle correction would be enough for non-evil people to change their ways. and the world could be a better place to know and love God and have fellowship with him, like God intended.

Do you think parents are more loving and forgiving than God?

For the record, Joe only showered with his preteen daughter Ashley, he never murdered her.

 

[Votto]

Most speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they think they have to say something.

You defend your religion and follow your man Joe, and I will stick with Christ.

Sound fair?

 

[BULLDOG]

You defend your religion and follow your man Joe, and I will stick with Christ.

Sound fair?

Which religion do you think I'm defending?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You believe human beings were alive with the dinosaurs, only a few thousand years ago? That's nonsense. Gobbledygook. You should be ashamed of yourself, for being so brainwashed and refusing to think critically.

I don't speak for her, but where did she say that? Sounds like you're attributing to her what YOU believe Christians think