Zone1 Why is evil allowed in the world?

So why did he kill everyone in the Noah's Ark story if it was all about free will?
Rotten apples. You throw out the rotten ones to salvage the few good ones still left. God explains the same thing when Abraham was told Sodom was going to be destroyed. Humanity reached the point of no return. If you actually read the account, you'd know.
 
I don't speak for her, but where did she say that? Sounds like you're attributing to her what YOU believe Christians think
I asked her in an earlier post if she believed the universe is 6000 years old and she said yes. She also says that all animals were herbivores ("vegans") before Adam ate from the forbidden tree. There was no death, pain or suffering before the caveman and his wife ate from the wrong fruit tree, after being tempted by a talking snake.


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Who in their right mind would believe Tyrannosaurus Rex was once a herbivore or was magically transformed into a carnivore after Adam and Eve bit into the apple? How can anyone in the 21st century believe such claptrap? It's ridiculous and if I don't believe this nonsense, I will be tortured by your god in hell for all eternity? I have to believe Tyrannosaurus Rex and human beings lived together. This is nonsense and you know it.




 
I don't speak for her, but where did she say that? Sounds like you're attributing to her what YOU believe Christians think
You should go back and reread her post. She said all animals were vegetarian at first and only became predators after the fall from Eden. Many dinosaurs were undoubtably predators. That means they would have to have been around at the same time as man.
 
Rotten apples. You throw out the rotten ones to salvage the few good ones still left. God explains the same thing when Abraham was told Sodom was going to be destroyed. Humanity reached the point of no return. If you actually read the account, you'd know.
You either have to be dumb, lazy, or not care much about apples to let all but a couple get rotten before you cull them. Which of those do you think God was?
 
Lots of commonly accepted reasons why God created man. Some of those reasons are to reflect his image, rule over his creation, and produce godly offspring. Another reason would be to train others in the ways or righteousness. The main reason, however, is to know him and love him and to have fellowship with him. God wanted man to have perfect fellowship with him in a perfect world. None of those reasons require evil to exist. Certainly, God knew the suffering and damage that would be caused by evil in this world. Obviously, a Loving forgiving God could find a way to discipline those who misbehave short of subjecting them to evil. It's what parents do every day. Can you show any scripture supported reason why God was forced to allow evil into what was supposed to be a perfect world or was someone else powerful enough to make an all-powerful God abandon his plan and introduce evil into the world.
The Genesis account relates that God told Adam and Eve that the one fruit they should not bring into their lives was the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve thought this over and decided the knowledge of good and evil was too enticing to pass up. They deliberately chose to have this knowledge. God had knowledge of good and evil, so why shouldn't they become like God and also have that knowledge of good and evil.

Note that some choose to bring evil into what is good. Also note, others are learning to bring good out of what is evil.

Perhaps we should all try to put ourselves in the place of Adam and Eve. Do we want to be completely oblivious to good and evil? Or do we want the ability to see what is good, to distinguish it from evil, and also learn how to bring good out of evil? What would you be like if you were protected from the concept of knowing good and evil?
 
The Genesis account relates that God told Adam and Eve that the one fruit they should not bring into their lives was the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve thought this over and decided the knowledge of good and evil was too enticing to pass up. They deliberately chose to have this knowledge. God had knowledge of good and evil, so why shouldn't they become like God and also have that knowledge of good and evil.

Note that some choose to bring evil into what is good. Also note, others are learning to bring good out of what is evil.

Perhaps we should all try to put ourselves in the place of Adam and Eve. Do we want to be completely oblivious to good and evil? Or do we want the ability to see what is good, to distinguish it from evil, and also learn how to bring good out of evil? What would you be like if you were protected from the concept of knowing good and evil?
Even if that story is true, what kind of petty hateful vindictive god does that? Punish Adam and Eve if you must, but what purpose is served by punishing all mankind from that point on for the actions of those two. Was God too weak and ineffectual to prevent future generations from gaining that knowledge?
 
Even if that story is true, what kind of petty hateful vindictive god does that? Punish Adam and Eve if you must, but what purpose is served by punishing all mankind from that point on for the actions of those two. Was God too weak and ineffectual to prevent future generations from gaining that knowledge?
Adam and Eve represent all of mankind. Why punish those who choose to know something? A choice was made, and there were consequences for that choice--just as there are for any choice that is made. Mankind isn't being punished for choosing knowledge of good and evil. Mankind is living with the consequences for wanting to have this knowledge. You didn't answer the question of whether or not you, personally, would choose to have no knowledge of good and evil. Have you contemplated that?
 
Even if that story is true, what kind of petty hateful vindictive god does that? Punish Adam and Eve if you must, but what purpose is served by punishing all mankind from that point on for the actions of those two. Was God too weak and ineffectual to prevent future generations from gaining that knowledge?
Don't expect them to think critically or make any sense,
 
Adam and Eve represent all of mankind. Why punish those who choose to know something? A choice was made, and there were consequences for that choice--just as there are for any choice that is made. Mankind isn't being punished for choosing knowledge of good and evil. Mankind is living with the consequences for wanting to have this knowledge. You didn't answer the question of whether or not you, personally, would choose to have no knowledge of good and evil. Have you contemplated that?
A loving forgiving god, one that is worthy of praise, wouldn't punish blameless people for something that happened before they were born. That's just hateful and vindictive. No, I haven't contemplated that, for the same reason I haven't contemplated teaching a unicorn to tap dance.
 
A loving forgiving god, one that is worthy of praise, wouldn't punish blameless people for something that happened before they were born. That's just hateful and vindictive. No, I haven't contemplated that, for the same reason I haven't contemplated teaching a unicorn to tap dance.
Adam and Eve were given the choice to choose what 'fruit' would be part of mankind's existence. Your philosophy is that this was the wrong choice, and God should have punished them--but no one else. That is not Biblical philosophy. Biblical philosophy lays out the possible courses of actions first humans had to choose for all of mankind. God counseled them against gaining the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve thought about this, but in the end decided knowing both good and evil like God did was preferable. God said, Okay, but this is what mankind will face for selecting this option. No fear, however, because I will be with my people to guide them in the way of salvation.

You see a punishing God, and I am not sure why. I see a God who is loving, even when his people go against his wisdom. He is there to guide people through the choices that have been made by themselves or by others that have an effect on their life. These are two very different philosophies.
 
Lots of commonly accepted reasons why God created man. Some of those reasons are to reflect his image, rule over his creation, and produce godly offspring. Another reason would be to train others in the ways or righteousness. The main reason, however, is to know him and love him and to have fellowship with him. God wanted man to have perfect fellowship with him in a perfect world. None of those reasons require evil to exist. Certainly, God knew the suffering and damage that would be caused by evil in this world. Obviously, a Loving forgiving God could find a way to discipline those who misbehave short of subjecting them to evil. It's what parents do every day. Can you show any scripture supported reason why God was forced to allow evil into what was supposed to be a perfect world or was someone else powerful enough to make an all-powerful God abandon his plan and introduce evil into the world.
This is probably the biggest obstacle that prevents people like you from believing the universe was intentionally created for the express purpose of producing beings that know and create.

You can't see past the complexities of life because you think life is supposed to be perfect.
 
Adam and Eve were given the choice to choose what 'fruit' would be part of mankind's existence. Your philosophy is that this was the wrong choice, and God should have punished them--but no one else. That is not Biblical philosophy. Biblical philosophy lays out the possible courses of actions first humans had to choose for all of mankind. God counseled them against gaining the knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve thought about this, but in the end decided knowing both good and evil like God did was preferable. God said, Okay, but this is what mankind will face for selecting this option. No fear, however, because I will be with my people to guide them in the way of salvation.

You see a punishing God, and I am not sure why. I see a God who is loving, even when his people go against his wisdom. He is there to guide people through the choices that have been made by themselves or by others that have an effect on their life. These are two very different philosophies.
Who exactly made up those rules? If a god is willing to let generation after generation suffer till the end of time, because of what two people did, he is too petty and hateful to be worthy of worship.
 
Perhaps because God has evil.

You have the devil and you have God, both seem to be god like, but there's only one God. So the devil is probably a part of God.

Look at the Noah's Ark story. God got angry and killed all but 8 people. That's pretty evil, in my book
Or maybe it's because you need to experience the good and the bad to have knowledge of good and evil.

Or maybe it's because it's necessary for one to have knowledge of good and evil so that good can arise from the bad.

Or maybe it's because without bad good has no meaning.

Or maybe it's because you are being tested.

Or maybe it's because you are being pruned.

Or maybe it's because the flesh is of no avail.

That you people can't find one good reason why good and evil exists reflects poorly on you, not on God.
 
This is probably the biggest obstacle that prevents people like you from believing the universe was intentionally created for the express purpose of producing beings that know and create.

You can't see past the complexities of life because you think life is supposed to be perfect.
There you go again, believing you know more about what I think than I do. That's so cute.
 
And I haven't even gotten started on the fact that evil is a negation of good. That all of existence is good. That what you refer to as evil is in reality the absence of good.

But most important is the fact that you idiots consistently over estimate the bad and consistently under estimate the good.
 
There you go again, believing you know more about what I think than I do. That's so cute.
I've observed you and your arguments enough to know you can't find one good reason for why evil exists and that you consistently over estimate evil and consistently under estimate good.

Your objectivity and intellect have been weighed and measured and found to be lacking.
 
And I haven't even got started on that evil is a negation of good. That all of existence is good. That what you refer to as evil is in reality the absence of good.

But most important is the fact that you idiots consistently over estimate the bad and consistently under estimate the good.
A grown man raping and murdering a child is evil. It's a shame that you don't seem to be able to understand that.
 
I've observed you and your arguments enough to know you can't find one good reason for why evil exists and that you consistently over estimate evil and consistently under estimate good.

Your objectivity and intellect have been weighed and measured and found to be lacking.
Is that the consensus from the children's table?
 
A grown man raping and murdering a child is evil. It's a shame that you don't seem to be able to understand that.
You are an atheist. You don't believe in good or evil. Your worldview is predicated on the satisfaction of material needs and primitive instincts.

That you make moral arguments and expect everyone to know and accept your moral arguments proves you believe in absolute morals even though as an atheist you believe morals are a human construct and can be anything humans want them to be.
 
Who exactly made up those rules? If a god is willing to let generation after generation suffer till the end of time, because of what two people did, he is too petty and hateful to be worthy of worship.
Then your life has never been anything but evil and suffering? I am so sorry. That's terrible.
 

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