Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Lesh]

I didn't say Trump was going to halt all immigration. He said he might shutdown the border if he can't get his wall. If he shutdowns down the border, the Senate would join the House in a resolution to nullify his EO. That would probably also end the shutdown. Most Senate Republican are facing reelection in 2020 and they certain would not support a presidential action that caused serious problems for tens of million of Americans, not to mention the financial repercussions.

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Since congress created the law, congress can pass a resolution to override it. Congress can block any action of the president that is not specifically granted in the constitution.

Congress can pass nothing into law without the President's signature. What part of that don't you get?

That's actually not true.

Take a civics class

They need a 2/3 vote to override his veto, and we all know they haven't got that.

Glad you understand how it works now

 

[Ame®icano]

That was a fine sentiment in 1903...

The population of the US was then 76,000,000...

There was still plenty of land to be had...

There was a job for anyone who wanted one...

Today, however...

The population of the US is 330,000,000...

The land has all been parceled out...

We struggle to keep our own employed...

We struggle to provide educational and medical and social services for our own one-third of a billion souls...

Never mind 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens now present upon United States soil without our express prior consent...

Never mind the millions more invaders who will flood across our borders, should we be stupid enough to allow it...

That plaque represented a fine sentiment, in its time...

Unfortunately, it's time is over... those sentiments are no longer practical... best to hang-up a 'No Vacancy' sign.

Perhaps it's time to declare a two- or four-year moratorium on all immigration to the United States.

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Automation does kill jobs but it creates more jobs than it eliminates in most industries. A study by Deloitte found found 800,000 jobs were eliminated as the result of AI and other automation technologies. But get this: 3.5 million new jobs were created as well, and those jobs paid on average nearly $13,000 more per year than the ones that were lost.

A company might automate and eliminate thousands of factory floor workers but by doing so, they increase profitability making possible investments in new products and plants.

Vast numbers of Americans (myself included) see no reason to take a chance on there being enough jobs in future...

Best to eject the 11-12,000,000 invaders now, and de-incentivize the millions more who are considering crossing our borders...

Best to do it now, while there's a still a POTUS agreeable to such an approach, and a SCOTUS and other court appointees to firm it up.

Deporting 11-12 million people is simply not possible.''


One needs only to look at the Holocaust to understand that

Funny, back in 1954 nobody called it "Holocaust" when Operation Wetback was enacted. 3 million deported.

If someone has no right to be here, than of course it's possible.

 

[bripat9643]

That was a fine sentiment in 1903...

The population of the US was then 76,000,000...

There was still plenty of land to be had...

There was a job for anyone who wanted one...

Today, however...

The population of the US is 330,000,000...

The land has all been parceled out...

We struggle to keep our own employed...

We struggle to provide educational and medical and social services for our own one-third of a billion souls...

Never mind 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens now present upon United States soil without our express prior consent...

Never mind the millions more invaders who will flood across our borders, should we be stupid enough to allow it...

That plaque represented a fine sentiment, in its time...

Unfortunately, it's time is over... those sentiments are no longer practical... best to hang-up a 'No Vacancy' sign.

Perhaps it's time to declare a two- or four-year moratorium on all immigration to the United States.

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Automation does kill jobs but it creates more jobs than it eliminates in most industries. A study by Deloitte found found 800,000 jobs were eliminated as the result of AI and other automation technologies. But get this: 3.5 million new jobs were created as well, and those jobs paid on average nearly $13,000 more per year than the ones that were lost.

A company might automate and eliminate thousands of factory floor workers but by doing so, they increase profitability making possible investments in new products and plants.

Vast numbers of Americans (myself included) see no reason to take a chance on there being enough jobs in future...

Best to eject the 11-12,000,000 invaders now, and de-incentivize the millions more who are considering crossing our borders...

Best to do it now, while there's a still a POTUS agreeable to such an approach, and a SCOTUS and other court appointees to firm it up.

Deporting 11-12 million people is simply not possible.''


One needs only to look at the Holocaust to understand that

The Holocaust shows exactly the opposite, moron. Furthermore, deportation doesn't mean sending people to death camps.

You're such a fucking douchebag.

 

[Flopper]

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Automation does kill jobs but it creates more jobs than it eliminates in most industries. A study by Deloitte found found 800,000 jobs were eliminated as the result of AI and other automation technologies. But get this: 3.5 million new jobs were created as well, and those jobs paid on average nearly $13,000 more per year than the ones that were lost.

A company might automate and eliminate thousands of factory floor workers but by doing so, they increase profitability making possible investments in new products and plants.

Vast numbers of Americans (myself included) see no reason to take a chance on there being enough jobs in future...

Best to eject the 11-12,000,000 invaders now, and de-incentivize the millions more who are considering crossing our borders...

Best to do it now, while there's a still a POTUS agreeable to such an approach, and a SCOTUS and other court appointees to firm it up.

What you don't seem to understand is the increase in the size of the workforce without immigrant labor is less than the number of jobs being created. So without immigrants we have a growing shortage of workers. If we don't have the workers, the jobs go out of the country and with it economic expansion.

This trend will continue throughout most of this century due to baby boomers leaving the workforce, earlier retirements and a falling birth rate. This trend also creates another serious problem. How are we going to finance the additional cost of Medicare and Social Security with an aging population without a lot more younger workers paying taxes?

As per the article I posted, automation will easily offset baby boomers retiring. Businesses will not move because the cost is so great. They would opt to offer more money to AMERICANS to attract workers to their place of business. In the long run it would be cheaper to pay higher wages to Americans than it would be to move and have to export their products back to the US.

The business world is not the same as it was before Trump. Businesses used to have to struggle with the combination of high taxation and employee costs. Now that their taxes are lower, it gives them more room to increase wages whereas before, the cost of both would make it more inviting to move out of the country.

The only thing that could F this all up is Democrats getting in charge of the federal government again--not just the House.

If you take the time to read the article quoted you'll see the following quote:
"Automation could destroy as many as 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030, but economic growth, rising productivity and other forces could more than offset the losses, according to a new report by McKinseyGlobal Institute.

If you read on, the article explains that many dislocated workers can easily move on the other jobs.

I read this article and other that speak of millions of job losses do to automation. However, those loses are not net losses, it does not take into account jobs created.

Study after study has shown that automation reduces the cost of products which increases sales and profits which leads to more products, more factories, more distribution chains and more jobs than were originally lost due to the automation.

The problem is not a lack jobs due to automation but the problems caused by dislocation of jobs.

 

[Flopper]

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Automation does kill jobs but it creates more jobs than it eliminates in most industries. A study by Deloitte found found 800,000 jobs were eliminated as the result of AI and other automation technologies. But get this: 3.5 million new jobs were created as well, and those jobs paid on average nearly $13,000 more per year than the ones that were lost.

A company might automate and eliminate thousands of factory floor workers but by doing so, they increase profitability making possible investments in new products and plants.

Vast numbers of Americans (myself included) see no reason to take a chance on there being enough jobs in future...

Best to eject the 11-12,000,000 invaders now, and de-incentivize the millions more who are considering crossing our borders...

Best to do it now, while there's a still a POTUS agreeable to such an approach, and a SCOTUS and other court appointees to firm it up.

Deporting 11-12 million people is simply not possible.''


One needs only to look at the Holocaust to understand that

Funny, back in 1954 nobody called it "Holocaust" when Operation Wetback was enacted. 3 million deported.

If someone has no right to be here, than of course it's possible.

Operation Wetback originated from a request by the Mexican government to stop the illegal entry of Mexican laborers into the United States. Mexico was concerned about the loss of low cost labor. Although the deportation figures may attract praises of conservatives today, the operation was basically a failure. Almost as fast as the Mexicans were deported, they came right back into the US because the size of the border patrol was so small it couldn't keep them out.

By 1962, all operations had stopped. The number of illegals immigrants in the country were judge to be about the same as there were 1950.
Operation Wetback - Wikipedia

 

[Ame®icano]

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Automation does kill jobs but it creates more jobs than it eliminates in most industries. A study by Deloitte found found 800,000 jobs were eliminated as the result of AI and other automation technologies. But get this: 3.5 million new jobs were created as well, and those jobs paid on average nearly $13,000 more per year than the ones that were lost.

A company might automate and eliminate thousands of factory floor workers but by doing so, they increase profitability making possible investments in new products and plants.

Vast numbers of Americans (myself included) see no reason to take a chance on there being enough jobs in future...

Best to eject the 11-12,000,000 invaders now, and de-incentivize the millions more who are considering crossing our borders...

Best to do it now, while there's a still a POTUS agreeable to such an approach, and a SCOTUS and other court appointees to firm it up.

Deporting 11-12 million people is simply not possible.''


One needs only to look at the Holocaust to understand that

Funny, back in 1954 nobody called it "Holocaust" when Operation Wetback was enacted. 3 million deported.

If someone has no right to be here, than of course it's possible.

Operation Wetback originated from a request by the Mexican government to stop the illegal entry of Mexican laborers into the United States. Mexico was concerned about the loss of low cost labor. Although the deportation figures may attract praises of conservatives today, the operation was basically a failure. Almost as fast as the Mexicans were deported, they came right back into the US because the size of the border patrol was so small it couldn't keep them out.

By 1962, all operations had stopped. The number of illegals immigrants in the country were judge to be about the same as there were 1950.
Operation Wetback - Wikipedia

That is not the issue... comparison to Holocaust is.

 

[Flopper]

Trump voters may have voted for Trump because he promised to build a wall and reduce illegal immigration but they didn't elect him shutdown legal immigration.

Trump has threaten to close US borders if he doesn't get his wall. Hopefully he will do this. His people would certainly advise against this but as we know, Trump listens to no one.

Trump never said anything about halting all immigration although I think that would be great. His stance was to stop further illegal immigration from taking place slowing down the drug flow, the criminals, the murderers and possibly terrorists which Homeland Security already confirmed are crossing or trying to cross that border.

Correct, Trump relies on instinct and common sense than polls. He doesn't care about reelection either. He has better things to do in life than run this country and battle with the Democrats trying to destroy it. The one thing I can agree with you on is I hope he shuts down the border.

I didn't say Trump was going to halt all immigration. He said he might shutdown the border if he can't get his wall. If he shutdowns down the border, the Senate would join the House in a resolution to nullify his EO. That would probably also end the shutdown. Most Senate Republican are facing reelection in 2020 and they certain would not support a presidential action that caused serious problems for tens of million of Americans, not to mention the financial repercussions.

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Since congress created the law, congress can pass a resolution to override it. Congress can block any action of the president that is not specifically granted in the constitution.

No they cannot. The House and SENATE passed that law and only the House and Senate can rescind it with the Presidents signature. The House has no authority to block anything; only the Supreme Court can if somebody challenges it's constitutionally, and good luck with that one.

Until that time, the President has the sole authority to not only close the border, but to stop any foreigners from entering our country.

Wrong congress can pass a bill to resend or modify any piece of legislation previously passed. They can nullify any executive order and freeze funds. All it takes is 2/3 vote in the House and Senate to override a presidential veto.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

All criminals are responsible for being separated from their children. Go out and commit a crime and see how fast you're separated form your family. The parents put their children in the situation, yes, they are to blame.

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People seeking asylum are not criminals, you fucking piece of shit.

They are when they cross our border illegally and it turns out their asylum claims are bullshit.

Liberals don’t have the slightest clue of the conditions and parameters surrounding asylum. It’s not some legalistic code word, as those illegal friendly lawyers like to suggest, that automatically allows you to live in the United States. If you are attempting entry illegally you should be deported by law - period.

What IS

"The first official action of this nation declared the foundation of government in these words: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. "While such declaration of principles may not have the force of organic law, or be made the basis of judicial decision as to the limits of right and duty, and while in all cases reference must be had to the organic law of the nation for such limits, yet the latter is but the body and the letter of which the former is the thought and the spirit, and it is always safe to read the letter of the Constitution in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence. No duty rests more imperatively upon the courts than the enforcement of those constitutional provisions intended to secure that equality of rights which is the foundation of free government." Cotting v. Godard, 183 U.S. 79 (1901)

"Congress shall have the power to ...establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution

Also see this:

Antonin Scalia Might Have Saved Sanctuary Cities

Is there an issue with immigrants that cannot be dealt with more effectively by our own actions rather than to subvert the Constitution and build a government too big for the citizenry to control?

If there was TRUE equality for all, those sneaking across from our southern border would not be treated differently than those who wait overseas to come here and wish to become citizens “legally” through our citizenship process under Federal Law.

Then you have those liberals who try to call those that believe in this particular point of view “racist”, which only goes to show how uninformed they are on the subject.

 

[Kondor3]

...What you don't seem to understand is the increase in the size of the workforce without immigrant labor is less than the number of jobs being created...

Doubtful, in either the short-term, or, most importantly, the long-term, as a sustainable trend.

...So without immigrants we have a growing shortage of workers...

Then we have a shortage of workers.

Fine. Great. Wonderful. So be it. Let the games begin.

Folks don't trust Dem interpretations and projections on this stuff anyway.

Time to do it the other way, and put these alarmist predictions to the test.

Time to begin doing for ourselves, again, rather than exploiting near-slave labor any longer.

... If we don't have the workers, the jobs go out of the country and with it economic expansion...

Jobs have been leaving the country in their millions anyway... thanks to greedy business-folk and incompetent Gubmint critters.

...This trend will continue throughout most of this century due to baby boomers leaving the workforce, earlier retirements and a falling birth rate...

Then we slow down for a while. Let's tighten the screws on the border, and employers of Illegals, and find out.

...This trend also creates another serious problem. How are we going to finance the additional cost of Medicare and Social Security with an aging population without a lot more younger workers paying taxes?

No idea. But lying down and letting Barbarians walk-in by the dozens of millions is not the answer, either. We don't need more riff-raff.

 

[Kondor3]

...Wrong congress can pass a bill to resend or modify any piece of legislation previously passed. They can nullify any executive order and freeze funds. All it takes is 2/3 vote in the House and Senate to override a presidential veto.

You do not have a 2/3 majority in Congress.

You certainly will not get a 2/3 majority in Congress, overriding Executive Orders related to border security and Illegal Aliens.

Predictably, you clowns failed to learn the primary lesson of November 8, 2016...

Namely... that Americans are disgusted with your polices towards large-scale immigration... both Illegal and otherwise.

The only reason you won November 6, 2018, was because of The Creature's behaviors - not because of policy related to Illegals.

You do not have a 2/3 majority in Congress, for this purpose, and you will have not one anytime soon.

You people need to get your heads out of your asses and begin standing alongside your fellow Americans rather than Illegal Aliens.

Continue to advocate cultural and economic and political suicide - taking sides with Illegals - at your own very great political peril.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump never said anything about halting all immigration although I think that would be great. His stance was to stop further illegal immigration from taking place slowing down the drug flow, the criminals, the murderers and possibly terrorists which Homeland Security already confirmed are crossing or trying to cross that border.

Correct, Trump relies on instinct and common sense than polls. He doesn't care about reelection either. He has better things to do in life than run this country and battle with the Democrats trying to destroy it. The one thing I can agree with you on is I hope he shuts down the border.

I didn't say Trump was going to halt all immigration. He said he might shutdown the border if he can't get his wall. If he shutdowns down the border, the Senate would join the House in a resolution to nullify his EO. That would probably also end the shutdown. Most Senate Republican are facing reelection in 2020 and they certain would not support a presidential action that caused serious problems for tens of million of Americans, not to mention the financial repercussions.

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Since congress created the law, congress can pass a resolution to override it. Congress can block any action of the president that is not specifically granted in the constitution.

No they cannot. The House and SENATE passed that law and only the House and Senate can rescind it with the Presidents signature. The House has no authority to block anything; only the Supreme Court can if somebody challenges it's constitutionally, and good luck with that one.

Until that time, the President has the sole authority to not only close the border, but to stop any foreigners from entering our country.

Wrong congress can pass a bill to resend or modify any piece of legislation previously passed. They can nullify any executive order and freeze funds. All it takes is 2/3 vote in the House and Senate to override a presidential veto.

Yeah, that's all it takes. With a bill that would be grossly unpopular with the voters, your chances of winning the Lottery are a lot better.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

All criminals are responsible for being separated from their children. Go out and commit a crime and see how fast you're separated form your family. The parents put their children in the situation, yes, they are to blame.

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People seeking asylum are not criminals, you fucking piece of shit.

They are when they cross our border illegally and it turns out their asylum claims are bullshit.

Liberals don’t have the slightest clue of the conditions and parameters surrounding asylum. It’s not some legalistic code word, as those illegal friendly lawyers like to suggest, that automatically allows you to live in the United States. If you are attempting entry illegally you should be deported by law - period.

What IS

"The first official action of this nation declared the foundation of government in these words: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. "While such declaration of principles may not have the force of organic law, or be made the basis of judicial decision as to the limits of right and duty, and while in all cases reference must be had to the organic law of the nation for such limits, yet the latter is but the body and the letter of which the former is the thought and the spirit, and it is always safe to read the letter of the Constitution in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence. No duty rests more imperatively upon the courts than the enforcement of those constitutional provisions intended to secure that equality of rights which is the foundation of free government." Cotting v. Godard, 183 U.S. 79 (1901)

"Congress shall have the power to ...establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution

Also see this:

Antonin Scalia Might Have Saved Sanctuary Cities

Is there an issue with immigrants that cannot be dealt with more effectively by our own actions rather than to subvert the Constitution and build a government too big for the citizenry to control?

If there was TRUE equality for all, those sneaking across from our southern border would not be treated differently than those who wait overseas to come here and wish to become citizens “legally” through our citizenship process under Federal Law.

Then you have those liberals who try to call those that believe in this particular point of view “racist”, which only goes to show how uninformed they are on the subject.

Free men are not equal and equal men are not free.

Your avatar suggests that you are against big government, but the stance you take says otherwise.

"And it says in the Farmer's Almanac: If a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble." Johnny Cash in the song Farmer's Almanac

Which is more important to you: that something be done legally OR that it be done constitutionally?

 

[OKTexas]

People seeking asylum are not criminals, you fucking piece of shit.

They are when they cross our border illegally and it turns out their asylum claims are bullshit.

Liberals don’t have the slightest clue of the conditions and parameters surrounding asylum. It’s not some legalistic code word, as those illegal friendly lawyers like to suggest, that automatically allows you to live in the United States. If you are attempting entry illegally you should be deported by law - period.

What IS

"The first official action of this nation declared the foundation of government in these words: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. "While such declaration of principles may not have the force of organic law, or be made the basis of judicial decision as to the limits of right and duty, and while in all cases reference must be had to the organic law of the nation for such limits, yet the latter is but the body and the letter of which the former is the thought and the spirit, and it is always safe to read the letter of the Constitution in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence. No duty rests more imperatively upon the courts than the enforcement of those constitutional provisions intended to secure that equality of rights which is the foundation of free government." Cotting v. Godard, 183 U.S. 79 (1901)

"Congress shall have the power to ...establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution

Also see this:

Antonin Scalia Might Have Saved Sanctuary Cities

Is there an issue with immigrants that cannot be dealt with more effectively by our own actions rather than to subvert the Constitution and build a government too big for the citizenry to control?

If there was TRUE equality for all, those sneaking across from our southern border would not be treated differently than those who wait overseas to come here and wish to become citizens “legally” through our citizenship process under Federal Law.

Then you have those liberals who try to call those that believe in this particular point of view “racist”, which only goes to show how uninformed they are on the subject.

Free men are not equal and equal men are not free.

Your avatar suggests that you are against big government, but the stance you take says otherwise.

"And it says in the Farmer's Almanac: If a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble." Johnny Cash in the song Farmer's Almanac

Which is more important to you: that something be done legally OR that it be done constitutionally?

Which is more important to you: that something be done legally OR that it be done constitutionally?

Trick question, right? Neither are mutually exclusive.

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[bripat9643]

They are when they cross our border illegally and it turns out their asylum claims are bullshit.

Liberals don’t have the slightest clue of the conditions and parameters surrounding asylum. It’s not some legalistic code word, as those illegal friendly lawyers like to suggest, that automatically allows you to live in the United States. If you are attempting entry illegally you should be deported by law - period.

What IS

"The first official action of this nation declared the foundation of government in these words: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. "While such declaration of principles may not have the force of organic law, or be made the basis of judicial decision as to the limits of right and duty, and while in all cases reference must be had to the organic law of the nation for such limits, yet the latter is but the body and the letter of which the former is the thought and the spirit, and it is always safe to read the letter of the Constitution in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence. No duty rests more imperatively upon the courts than the enforcement of those constitutional provisions intended to secure that equality of rights which is the foundation of free government." Cotting v. Godard, 183 U.S. 79 (1901)

"Congress shall have the power to ...establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution

Also see this:

Antonin Scalia Might Have Saved Sanctuary Cities

Is there an issue with immigrants that cannot be dealt with more effectively by our own actions rather than to subvert the Constitution and build a government too big for the citizenry to control?

If there was TRUE equality for all, those sneaking across from our southern border would not be treated differently than those who wait overseas to come here and wish to become citizens “legally” through our citizenship process under Federal Law.

Then you have those liberals who try to call those that believe in this particular point of view “racist”, which only goes to show how uninformed they are on the subject.

Free men are not equal and equal men are not free.

Your avatar suggests that you are against big government, but the stance you take says otherwise.

"And it says in the Farmer's Almanac: If a man could have half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble." Johnny Cash in the song Farmer's Almanac

Which is more important to you: that something be done legally OR that it be done constitutionally?

Which is more important to you: that something be done legally OR that it be done constitutionally?

Trick question, right? Neither are mutually exclusive.

.

Actually, they are synonymous.

 

[danielpalos]

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus (November 2, 1883)
A bronze plaque with the words of the poem "The New Colossus" raised on it. The 1903 bronze plaque located in the Statue of Liberty's museum.

NPS

That was a fine sentiment in 1903...

The population of the US was then 76,000,000...

There was still plenty of land to be had...

There was a job for anyone who wanted one...

Today, however...

The population of the US is 330,000,000...

The land has all been parceled out...

We struggle to keep our own employed...

We struggle to provide educational and medical and social services for our own one-third of a billion souls...

Never mind 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens now present upon United States soil without our express prior consent...

Never mind the millions more invaders who will flood across our borders, should we be stupid enough to allow it...

That plaque represented a fine sentiment, in its time...

Unfortunately, it's time is over... those sentiments are no longer practical... best to hang-up a 'No Vacancy' sign.

Perhaps it's time to declare a two- or four-year moratorium on all immigration to the United States.

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Employment is at the will of either party.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed can solve for that problem and help automatically stabilize our economy at the same time.

 

[danielpalos]

Government shouldn't restrict travel. Period.

Of the citizens.

That's the conceit of a most of the new authoritarians. They want to pretend that their laws will only be violating the rights of certain targeted groups (immigrants, terrorists, drug-users, etc...). But it doesn't work that way. Laws effect everyone. When you build walls they are in everyone's way. When you pass police state laws authorizing the government to short-circuit due process, everyone loses the right to due process.

Walls don't have that ability, only government does. And once Democrats secure their single-party government thanks to these immigrants that's exactly what's going to happen and worse. If you know anything about Democrats; anything about their history, WTF do you think they're going to do with this country once there is no opposition?

who's fault is that; we need the competition of better solutions at lower cost from the right wing, not nothing but repeal. that really is worthless. echelon order and only one party is necessary for that.

 

[danielpalos]

So, I guess you don't think immigrants aren't THAT cool.

The government sets quotas based on several factors. If they decide we need more, then ok. But not just because of nothing.

Actually, no there are no quotas. Congress sets the maximum number immigrants at about 675,000 per year plus about half dozen categories of immigration that pushes the total to about a million a year or higher.

Then the law establishes the maximum number of immigrants from any country as 7% of the total, about 70,000 excluding certain categories. However, this figure is reduced by the number of legal residents from that country living in the US who change immigration status to permanent resident. Immigrants being sponsored by family members further reduces the number as well as employment sponsoring and other categories of immigration.

So for most countries if you do not have family living in the US or have special skills that will attract an employer to sponsor you or you don't fit in one of the other special categories, you simple can not immigrate to the US, no matter how long you wait.

Yeah? So what? Since when does anyone have a right to emigrate to the United States?

When the colonists came here from Europe 500 years ago, it was they who claimed anyone had the right to immigrate here, and now we are stuck with that legal precedent. But it is even more complex because when we negotiated treaties to buy CA, AZ, NM, NV, CO, UT, TX, FL and others, there were already over a million Mexicans living here, so we agreed to treaties that prohibited any infringement on travel by Mexicans. Those million Mexicans were not required to become US citizens or leave. So we can't now close the border or else be in violation of the treaties and be in default.

Where have you been? We've had immigration policies for generations limiting people who can come here, and no treaties violated.

some of them were unconstitutional. we don't have an immigration clause it is a naturalization clause.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus (November 2, 1883)
A bronze plaque with the words of the poem "The New Colossus" raised on it. The 1903 bronze plaque located in the Statue of Liberty's museum.

NPS

That was a fine sentiment in 1903...

The population of the US was then 76,000,000...

There was still plenty of land to be had...

There was a job for anyone who wanted one...

Today, however...

The population of the US is 330,000,000...

The land has all been parceled out...

We struggle to keep our own employed...

We struggle to provide educational and medical and social services for our own one-third of a billion souls...

Never mind 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens now present upon United States soil without our express prior consent...

Never mind the millions more invaders who will flood across our borders, should we be stupid enough to allow it...

That plaque represented a fine sentiment, in its time...

Unfortunately, it's time is over... those sentiments are no longer practical... best to hang-up a 'No Vacancy' sign.

Perhaps it's time to declare a two- or four-year moratorium on all immigration to the United States.

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Employment is at the will of either party.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed can solve for that problem and help automatically stabilize our economy at the same time.

Still beating this dead horse eh? LMAO.

 

[mudwhistle]

It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .

More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .

Nonsense.
Laws stop nothing.
Laws are easier to get around than a wall when you're a Democrat.

 

[danielpalos]

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus (November 2, 1883)
A bronze plaque with the words of the poem "The New Colossus" raised on it. The 1903 bronze plaque located in the Statue of Liberty's museum.

NPS

That was a fine sentiment in 1903...

The population of the US was then 76,000,000...

There was still plenty of land to be had...

There was a job for anyone who wanted one...

Today, however...

The population of the US is 330,000,000...

The land has all been parceled out...

We struggle to keep our own employed...

We struggle to provide educational and medical and social services for our own one-third of a billion souls...

Never mind 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens now present upon United States soil without our express prior consent...

Never mind the millions more invaders who will flood across our borders, should we be stupid enough to allow it...

That plaque represented a fine sentiment, in its time...

Unfortunately, it's time is over... those sentiments are no longer practical... best to hang-up a 'No Vacancy' sign.

Perhaps it's time to declare a two- or four-year moratorium on all immigration to the United States.

There is a 6 million job surplus now and that is likely to grow to 24 million in the next decade as the workforce shrinks do to baby boomers exiting the workforce and low birthrates. There is plenty of room for growth in America.

We should not open our borders nor should we seal them. We need more legal immigrants and we need workable immigration laws and policies.

Automation could kill 73 million U.S. jobs by 2030

Employment is at the will of either party.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed can solve for that problem and help automatically stabilize our economy at the same time.

Still beating this dead horse eh? LMAO.

don't care about the law; why whine about less fortunate illegals.