Why is American internet so slow?

[francoHFW]

OP- Same reason the whole country is falling apart and behind, Reaganism and brainwashed RWers don't allpw for investment in the country or it's people, only windfalls for the greedy idiot mega rich. Shortsighted idiocy.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Record profits can't be achieved?

I'm curious, do you agree with the idea that gov't stimulus money should carry rules requiring unskilled labor to be paid well above the local average incomes?

I have no problem with minimum wage, but $22 an hour for unskilled labor is ridiculous.

Yes. You need to remember that every dollar spent by the government to people returns $1.70 to the economy. Better than the 100's of billions for Walmart and their big box buddies which returned zip.

That is not true.
Secondly, if companies are required to pay artificially set wages, they will simply add the cost to their products/services.
When wages are artificially set above market rate, the short term may look good, but long term this practice is inflationary.
The marketplace should ALWAYS determine wages and prices.
For our economy to function properly, there must be balance.
I have no idea who told you government spending stimulates the economy on a 1.7 to 1 ratio.
You'll have to provide some facts on this wonderful news.
If what you say is true, then why isn't the income tax rate 100%? Hell, we'd al;l be swimming in riches.
Well, you have a homework assignment...Go get those facts.
Oh, no blogs. No opinion pieces. No nonsense from other sources.
Straight facts.

 

[thereisnospoon]

OP- Same reason the whole country is falling apart and behind, Reaganism and brainwashed RWers don't allpw for investment in the country or it's people, only windfalls for the greedy idiot mega rich. Shortsighted idiocy.

The country is falling apart? I forgot. On who's watch are we?
Why I bother to respond to your whiny juvenile bullshit is a miracle.
I wish that ship in your avatar would fire upon your house. That would be hilarious.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What? WiFi is faster than fiber? What?

Sent from my Chinese Supercomputer made from XBox parts Bush sent to China

WiFi travels at the speed of light. Fiber, under controlled displays is 97% the speed of light.

Most people do not realize that copper is often faster than fiber.

But the speed is not the issue. Fiber can handle so much more volume.

Correct.

 

[thereisnospoon]

WiFi travels at the speed of light. Fiber, under controlled displays is 97% the speed of light.

Most people do not realize that copper is often faster than fiber.

But the speed is not the issue. Fiber can handle so much more volume.

Speed and volume are the issue. With the demise of the PC and lap top, the next three to five years are going to be exciting.

My predictions:

1. In five years WiFi will carry twice the information as fiber.

2. ATT and Verizon will be in the cable (less) TV business.

Perhaps. But not in the foreseeable future. First, the cost is going to be prohibitive. Wireless companies are going to look upon this technology as a cash cow. And why shouldn't they? They are publicly held.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Same reason the whole country is falling apart and behind, Reaganism and brainwashed RWers don't allpw for investment in the country or it's people, only windfalls for the greedy idiot mega rich. Shortsighted idiocy.

The country is falling apart? I forgot. On who's watch are we?
Why I bother to respond to your whiny juvenile bullshit is a miracle.
I wish that ship in your avatar would fire upon your house. That would be hilarious.

Could you be any more shortsighted and ADD...we're talking about 25-30 years of Reaganist tax rates...lol. Try some actual facts...

Voodoo wrecked and IS WRECKING the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008- while the rich have quadrupled their wealth...

1. WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – Reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%A 13% drop since 1980A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.Share of National Income going to Top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – Reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50%
TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – Reagan1982 = 11.2% – Peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

4. Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95%A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%and the bottom 80%:1980 = 10%2003 = 56%A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.The Probabilityy of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%A 10% Decrease.

Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Researc...s/No7Nov04.pdf1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&LastYear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 6, 20135/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insiderhttp://factleft.com/2011/03/28/the-demise-of-the-american-middle-class-in-numbers/

 

[Uncensored2008]

Perhaps. But not in the foreseeable future. First, the cost is going to be prohibitive. Wireless companies are going to look upon this technology as a cash cow. And why shouldn't they? They are publicly held.

WiFi has a specific meaning, the 802.11 standards. 3G and 4G are wireless technologies, but are not "WiFi."

Onepercenter is simply an ignorant blowhard, bloviating on yet another subject he has no knowledge of.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I'm curious, do you agree with the idea that gov't stimulus money should carry rules requiring unskilled labor to be paid well above the local average incomes?

I have no problem with minimum wage, but $22 an hour for unskilled labor is ridiculous.

Yes. You need to remember that every dollar spent by the government to people returns $1.70 to the economy. Better than the 100's of billions for Walmart and their big box buddies which returned zip.

I was not asking about "Big box buddies". This was about a company doing utility construction work in many areas. The workers are the life blood of the trades.

So you like the idea that someone with no skills makes $45k a year in an area where the average income is half that? And the people who come in with the skills, equipment, and materials to build the system have to suck up the lower profit margin so that you can feel better about where your taxes go? lol

And the contractors can't bid the jobs without letting go of dedicated, loyal employees who have learned the trades. All so you can believe your tax dollars are being used in some noble fashion. lol

The guys being hired at the inflated rate not only get a job with benefits, they learn a trade they can continue to use, if they are willing to travel. Considering the job markets in these rural areas, they will either have to travel or live on the gov't teat anyway.

But it is nice to see that you care so much about unskilled labor and so little about those who have busted their ass, travelled away from home, and learned their trade.

Yeah...These dunderheads are perfectly willing to have fast food joints and convenience stores pay stratospheric wages but when it comes to stuff like this, it's somehow different.
I really get sick and tired of these lefties who've never so much as dipped their toe into the business world claiming to know what's best for business.

 

[Jarlaxle]

WiFi travels at the speed of light. Fiber, under controlled displays is 97% the speed of light.

Most people do not realize that copper is often faster than fiber.

But the speed is not the issue. Fiber can handle so much more volume.

Speed and volume are the issue. With the demise of the PC and lap top, the next three to five years are going to be exciting.

My predictions:

1. In five years WiFi will carry twice the information as fiber.

2. ATT and Verizon will be in the cable (less) TV business.

Verizon is in the TV business RIGHT NOW!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Idiots and their smartphones. They can't stay off them for 5minutes even while driving.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You need to remember that every dollar spent by the government to people returns $1.70 to the economy.

That's a stunning revelation. We should be debt free by now.

Could not have stated it better myself.
I once had a conversation with a guy who tried to convince me that the government needs more of our income to "do good things"....
When I queried at about the cost of removing capital from the private sector he actually denied the need for a private sector.
These are the kind of people that vote for liberal democrats. Santa Claus.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Most people do not realize that copper is often faster than fiber.

But the speed is not the issue. Fiber can handle so much more volume.

Speed and volume are the issue. With the demise of the PC and lap top, the next three to five years are going to be exciting.

My predictions:

1. In five years WiFi will carry twice the information as fiber.

2. ATT and Verizon will be in the cable (less) TV business.

Verizon is in the TV business RIGHT NOW!

Via fiber.
And wifi...Neither of which are being expanded.
IPTV is the next thing in the works. Via wireline.

 

[American4Americ]

Interesting that the conservative posters here are arguing in favor of monopolies. You have a leftist OP making the Capitalist argument for more competition and the right wingers rebuffing him. I must have fallen into the Bizarro World

USMB is bizarro world... conservatives here will frequently speak out against anything any leftist has to say. Why? Because they are a leftist. Everyone here is also prone to the most amusing flights of hypocrisy possible, and most will not even notice.

 

[thereisnospoon]

OP- Same reason the whole country is falling apart and behind, Reaganism and brainwashed RWers don't allpw for investment in the country or it's people, only windfalls for the greedy idiot mega rich. Shortsighted idiocy.

The country is falling apart? I forgot. On who's watch are we?
Why I bother to respond to your whiny juvenile bullshit is a miracle.
I wish that ship in your avatar would fire upon your house. That would be hilarious.

Could you be any more shortsighted and ADD...we're talking about 25-30 years of Reaganist tax rates...lol. Try some actual facts...

Voodoo wrecked and IS WRECKING the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008- while the rich have quadrupled their wealth...

1. WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – Reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%A 13% drop since 1980A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.Share of National Income going to Top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – Reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50%
TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – Reagan1982 = 11.2% – Peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

4. Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95%A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%and the bottom 80%:1980 = 10%2003 = 56%A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.The Probabilityy of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%A 10% Decrease.

Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Researc...s/No7Nov04.pdf1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&LastYear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 6, 20135/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insiderhttp://factleft.com/2011/03/28/the-demise-of-the-american-middle-class-in-numbers/

So?
Business has reduced labor costs with technology which increases production.
People save less because they expect more. They require more toys.
BTW genius, home ownership has increased two fold since the 50's. Wonder how that was accomplished.
There is no "share"...In this country we are free to pursue anything we wish and we also have the freedom to do our very best.
While you complain, the country despite the occupant in the White House, most of us are moving forward.
You will keep complaining.

 

[francoHFW]

Idiot. lol. See sig para 1- THAT IS NOT MOVING FORWARD.

So how come broadband costs 8 dollars a month in the EU, corporate dupes...and EVERYONE in Korea has fibre, Pub dupes...

 

[WinterBorn]

The country is falling apart? I forgot. On who's watch are we?
Why I bother to respond to your whiny juvenile bullshit is a miracle.
I wish that ship in your avatar would fire upon your house. That would be hilarious.

Could you be any more shortsighted and ADD...we're talking about 25-30 years of Reaganist tax rates...lol. Try some actual facts...

Voodoo wrecked and IS WRECKING the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008- while the rich have quadrupled their wealth...

1. WORKERS past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – Reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%A 13% drop since 1980A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.Share of National Income going to Top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – Reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50%
TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – Reagan1982 = 11.2% – Peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

4. Household Debt as percentage of GDP:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – Reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95%A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%and the bottom 80%:1980 = 10%2003 = 56%A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.The Probabilityy of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%A 10% Decrease.

Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Researc...s/No7Nov04.pdf1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&LastYear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 6, 20135/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insiderhttp://factleft.com/2011/03/28/the-demise-of-the-american-middle-class-in-numbers/

So?
Business has reduced labor costs with technology which increases production.
People save less because they expect more. They require more toys.
BTW genius, home ownership has increased two fold since the 50's. Wonder how that was accomplished.
There is no "share"...In this country we are free to pursue anything we wish and we also have the freedom to do our very best.
While you complain, the country despite the occupant in the White House, most of us are moving forward.
You will keep complaining.

You bring up an interesting point. Modern technology has done more to displace the worker and lower average worker's wages than anything else.

 

[OnePercenter]

Speed and volume are the issue. With the demise of the PC and lap top, the next three to five years are going to be exciting.

My predictions:

1. In five years WiFi will carry twice the information as fiber.

2. ATT and Verizon will be in the cable (less) TV business.

Verizon is in the TV business RIGHT NOW!

Via fiber.
And wifi...Neither of which are being expanded.
IPTV is the next thing in the works. Via wireline.

The two companies that I angel invest will make $55M in revenue this year by NOT expanding WiFi.

 

[francoHFW]

could you be any more shortsighted and add...we're talking about 25-30 years of reaganist tax rates...lol. Try some actual facts...

Voodoo wrecked and is wrecking the nonrich to the point where demand for products and services has dried up, along with their savings...before the corruption and cronyism housing and credit meltdown of 2008- while the rich have quadrupled their wealth...

1. Workers past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.but after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):1950 = 101%1960 = 105%1970 = 105%1980 = 105% – reagan1990 = 100%2000 = 96%2007 = 92%a 13% drop since 1980a 13% drop since 1980

2. The top 10% get a larger share.share of national income going to top 10%:1950 = 35%1960 = 34%1970 = 34%1980 = 34% – reagan1990 = 40%2000 = 47%2007 = 50%
to make up for the loss.household debt as percentage of gdp:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95% an increase of 16% since reagan.

3. Workers compensated for the loss of income by spending their savings.the savings rose up to reagan and fell during and after.1950 = 6.0%1960 = 7.0%1970 = 8.5%1980 = 10.0% – reagan1982 = 11.2% – peak1990 = 7.0%2000 = 2.0%2006 = -1.1% (negative = withdrawing from savings)

4. Household debt as percentage of gdp:1965 = 46%1970 = 45%1980 = 50% – reagan1990 = 61%2000 = 69%2007 = 95%a 45% increase after 1980.

5. So the gap between the richest and the poorest has grown.gap between the share of capital income earned by the top 1%and the bottom 80%:1980 = 10%2003 = 56%a 5.6 times increase.

6. And the american dream is gone.the probability of moving up from the bottom 40% to the top 40%:1945 = 12%1958 = 6%1990 = 3%2000 = 2%a 10% decrease.

Links:1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/researc...s/no7nov04.pdf1 = clipboard01.jpg (image)2 – congratulations to emmanuel saez | the white house3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/imag...ving_thumb.gif3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...&lastyear=20104 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...or-debt-of-gdp4 = frb: Z.1 release--financial accounts of the united states--june 6, 20135/6 = wealth and inequality in america - business insiderhttp://factleft.com/2011/03/28/the-demise-of-the-american-middle-class-in-numbers/

so?
Business has reduced labor costs with technology which increases production.
People save less because they expect more. They require more toys.
Btw genius, home ownership has increased two fold since the 50's. Wonder how that was accomplished.
There is no "share"...in this country we are free to pursue anything we wish and we also have the freedom to do our very best.
While you complain, the country despite the occupant in the white house, most of us are moving forward.
You will keep complaining.

you bring up an interesting point. Modern technology has done more to displace the worker and lower average worker's wages than anything else.

re home ownership- was that before the pub home ownership bubble exploded, einstein lol...

So when tech ruins manual labor jobs, pubs are right there with great education and training, right... Actually, that's the part of nafta, etc, they welch on, dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

They also welch on ALL infrastructure investment, including broadband...STUPID, GREEDY A-HOLES...Dems end up having to do it, hater dupes...big spenders my ass, just actually want the best for the country. READ SOMETHING.

 

[Imperious]

I don't know about the rest of you but I get totally frustrated with the slowness of browsing the internet on forums such as this. Whether it's Firefox, or Opera, or Chrome, that stupid little circle at the top keeps going and nothing happens.

It may be because I'm still using Vista.

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Sounds like a fun adventure, can I join?