José;720307 said:
I have no problem stating that Israel has no right to exist, editec.
Ethnic supremacist states have no right to exist at all, no matter how many times western leaders state otherwise.
The only "right" racial dictatorships have is the right to be peacefully dismantled and replaced by democratic, secular governments just like in South Africa.
The Egyptians enslaved the Jews an estimated 1200 to 1400 years or so BC. The Babylonians evicted the Jews from their homeland roughly 600 or so BC--Cyrus of Persia allowed them to return more than a century later. The Romans evicted the Jews from Jerusalem the first century AD. From Constantine (4th Century) until the Renaissance and Reformation, Jews were mostly forbidden to own land and most other real property throughout the lands that made up the Roman Empire. By the 20th Century the Jews were being treated miserably in many countries in Europe and the near East with families, businesses, industries, whole villages wiped out in viscious pograms in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere. By some estimates, between the pograms and the German genocide committed during WW11, as many as 11 million Jews may been killed. And pockets of discrimination specifically directed at the Jews have continued on most continents since WWII. As recently as the 1960's or 1970's, a largest group of Jews suffering intense discrimination in South America pulled up stakes and emigrated to Israel.
Given the tragic history of the Jews and the long history of discriminatory and genocidal treatment, it was a humane and practical effort for the UN nations to provide Israel one tiny TINY plot of ground on the face of the Earth where the Jews would not be discriminated against, where they could set up their own government and practice their own religion as they saw fit. It was one place on Earth that Jews could be Jews without fear of being punished or discriminated against for who they are.
Great Britain provided the land; the remainder of the UN provided the charter under which Israel would be authorized. That was in 1948.
Immediately the Arab community organized to exterminate the Jews of the new Israel. Most of the Palestinians left expecting that process to be accomplished quickly and then they would return sans Jews. Of course, the Israelis prevailed and the Arabs, though they have stirved mightily to do so, have been unable to exterminate them. The Palestinians who didn't flee Israel are full Israeli citizens with all rights and privileges of citizenship within Israel and with seats on the Knesset. There are more than 1 million of them in a tiny country and they are prospering. The only ones who do not are those who do not by choice by insisting to live in the desert where they do not have to be 'contaminated' by Jews. That sound discriminatory to me. But I find no discrimination among the Israelis.
But yes, Israel do take strong exception to Arabs who kidnap and torture and murder Israelis, who blow up crowded markets and synagogues and busloads of mothers and school children, and who fire thousands of rockets into Israel hoping to kill Israeli men, women, and children. I think it is pretty okay to discriminate against people who do that and/or who condone that.
Don't you?
