Why I don't care why you don't believe in God.

[hobelim]

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction?

The story of the boy who cried wolf is entirely made up fiction. We don't know where it happened, when it happened, or even what country it happened in. We don't know the name of the boy, the language that he spoke, how old he was, and there is absolutely no archeological evidence or proof that any of it ever happened at all. Does that make it all worthless bullshit? Or does it convey a teaching and a truth not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used and was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people?

disbelieving scripture because it all cannot be literally true is just as foolish as professing to believe it is all literally true. Both positions have made the exact same error and miss the point of the writings completely.

 

[koshergrl]

Militant atheists are just as bad as religious ones.
No, they’re not. There are no calls for slavery, rape or murder in the atheist holy book.

You need to learn some history. The commies killed many millions in the USSR and China alone. They had no use for religious people.

Same way Muslims kill Christians in the middle east. They have no use for Christians. But atheism wasn't the goal or reason for the killings, was it? I think they were just trying to shut anyone who would disagree with them up. Of course churches would be against them murdering. I never said all churches are all bad. In fact a small percentage of Christians played a part in ending slavery. That doesn't change the fact that most slave owners were christians.

How did Russia go from killing all their religious folks to being religious again? I'd be interested in knowing the history. Was there a religious renaissance that occured in Russia after they killed off all the priests? When were churches let back in to Russia?

Islam isn't a real faith. It's a murderous cult and political ideology, the type that progressives like to nurture because they literally get off on the thought of murder and torture.

 

[Mudda]

We don't say a god is not possible. Its possible. Just doesn't seem probable. And most of our anti god attitude has to do with Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews saying God visited.

If all you are saying is there might be a god, I as an atheist will agree with you I have to be agnostic about that because to know for sure, I'd either have to be a god or die to find out.

Now tell me he visited you and I'll go to hell if I don't believe. That's when I become an atheist.

That's what I've been saying and you've argued about it. If god is possible then you are in fact an agnostic. If someone brings up the Bible you call yourself an atheist, that means it's an anti-Christian reaction.

I'm an agnostic that thinks the bible is total crap. That doesn't make me an atheist.

A

I said there's no proof either way for or against a god. Agnosticism is the thinking person's path.

Are you agnostic about the devil?

The devil is not my problem, it's a Catholic problem. The bible is bullshit from start to finish, imo. I think all organized religions are retarded.

Lol in that statement you expose yourself as an ignoramus.

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction? Or are you just projecting again? Or maybe you just had no real comeback to dispute what i said?

You're ignorant because you don't know the bible, but still say it's bullshit. Only low functioning retards do that.

You assume that I don't know the bible. So no one can know the bible and thinks it's made up myths and bs? Everyone who has ever read the bible thinks that it's 100% fact? Ummm... no.

 

[Mudda]

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction?

The story of the boy who cried wolf is entirely made up fiction. We don't know where it happened, when it happened, or even what country it happened in. We don't know the name of the boy, the language that he spoke, how old he was, and there is absolutely no proof that any of it ever happened at all. Does that make it all worthless bullshit? Or does it convey a teaching and a truth not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used and was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people?

Are you talking about the part when god tells his followers to kill people? Or when he mass murders nearly everyone on earth in a flood? ...

 

[Iceweasel]

Oh, and there is no American Atheism. We don't have a club, don't go to meetings, we aren't organized and there is no movement.

But we are pleased to see despite being unorganized our numbers are growing.

Survey Says: Atheism is on the Rise Worldwide (and in America)

A new global survey on religiosity (PDF) by WIN-Gallup International has two big findings:

First, the United States has gone from being 1% godless in 2005 to 5% in 2012. (The percentage of people simply calling themselves non-religious is 30%, significantly higher than ever before.) That jumps us up quite a bit on the Global Atheism Index:

The other finding is that atheists are now 13% of the world population, an increase of 9% since 2005:

Interesting. You claim there's no movement, no organization but continue to speak collectively. Yes, most atheists here are just anti-Christians. I don't know about the rest of the world because I live here but I suspect it's similar. Talk to any atheist you want here and they will immediately start kicking the Bible around as proof there is no god.

Atheism takes faith / is a religion.
Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color, or not collecting stamps a hobby.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods, nothing more. If we deconstruct the term ‘atheism’ we find ‘a – theism’ which means ‘without – theism’ which, in turn, means ‘without – belief in god(s)’. It is, therefore, not a positive belief or a claim to knowledge. Instead, it is the default position of doubt, uncertainty and skepticism one may have regarding claims made by theists. Just as it takes no faith to lack belief or remain uncertain concerning any other imaginable claim, it takes none to doubt the existence of a god or gods. See also: Atheism is based on faith, Russell’s Teapot.

Every human-being ever born begins life as an implicit atheist and must be taught the concept of theism or, more commonly, indoctrinated with it.

Atheism has no sacred texts, objects, places or times, no rituals or creation stories, no positive beliefs, central tenants, modes of worship or supernatural claims, no implicit or derived moral codes, philosophies or world views and no central organisation or church. It fulfills none of the criteria that define a religion. See also: Atheism is a religion.

Atheists may subscribe to any additional ideologies, philosophies and belief systems they choose, eg. Buddhism, Jainism, Universalism, Environmentalism, Pragmatism, Liberalism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Conservatism, etc. They may even appreciate components of traditional religion and spiritualism, including any supernatural elements unrelated to a god. Common among many atheists, however, is an appreciation for secularism, rationalism, humanism, skepticism, naturalism, materialism and freethinking – none of which are implicit or derived from atheism, nor necessary in order to lack belief.

See also: A Lack of Belief in Gods for a short introduction to atheism (a must watch), Sam Harris – Misconceptions about Atheism (a must watch), Putting faith in it’s place(a must watch).

“To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask.” – Geoff Mather

You can't even formulate your own arguments. But all of that was already discussed.

I just read your reply and it made me think of that. Why type it all over again when I can just cut and paste. Something you don't like about what you read?

Stupid posts aren't something I like or dislike. You are very confused. You just proved you are an agnostic but become "atheist" when confronted with Christianity. It's what I've said all along.

I mention a while back that it's word games for you guys then you post a blog to prove it. Disbelieving god isn't equivalent to disbelieving pixies since you already demonstrated you don't have the answer for the universe. Posting yet another opinion that makes the exact same fallacy is supposed to do what exactly?

 

[Iceweasel]

We don't say a god is not possible. Its possible. Just doesn't seem probable. And most of our anti god attitude has to do with Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews saying God visited.

If all you are saying is there might be a god, I as an atheist will agree with you I have to be agnostic about that because to know for sure, I'd either have to be a god or die to find out.

Now tell me he visited you and I'll go to hell if I don't believe. That's when I become an atheist.

That's what I've been saying and you've argued about it. If god is possible then you are in fact an agnostic. If someone brings up the Bible you call yourself an atheist, that means it's an anti-Christian reaction.

I'm an agnostic that thinks the bible is total crap. That doesn't make me an atheist.

A

So if you say there's no god you are making a statement of faith. That's what I said early on.

I said there's no proof either way for or against a god. Agnosticism is the thinking person's path.

Are you agnostic about the devil?

The devil is not my problem, it's a Catholic problem. The bible is bullshit from start to finish, imo. I think all organized religions are retarded.

Lol in that statement you expose yourself as an ignoramus.

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction? Or are you just projecting again? Or maybe you just had no real comeback to dispute what i said?

You posted that to me, you have a pattern of that.

 

[sealybobo]

We don't say a god is not possible. Its possible. Just doesn't seem probable. And most of our anti god attitude has to do with Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews saying God visited.

If all you are saying is there might be a god, I as an atheist will agree with you I have to be agnostic about that because to know for sure, I'd either have to be a god or die to find out.

Now tell me he visited you and I'll go to hell if I don't believe. That's when I become an atheist.

That's what I've been saying and you've argued about it. If god is possible then you are in fact an agnostic. If someone brings up the Bible you call yourself an atheist, that means it's an anti-Christian reaction.

I'm an agnostic that thinks the bible is total crap. That doesn't make me an atheist.

A
Are you agnostic about the devil?

The devil is not my problem, it's a Catholic problem. The bible is bullshit from start to finish, imo. I think all organized religions are retarded.

Lol in that statement you expose yourself as an ignoramus.

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction? Or are you just projecting again? Or maybe you just had no real comeback to dispute what i said?

So if every story ever written about god is a lie, why do you believe? If you have no evidence to prove god exists, maybe that is you evidence he doesn't.

So gravity couldn't have existed if we hadn't discovered it? ...
I just think that there's possibly more than just what we can see right now. Could there be multiple universes? Could our universe be an experiment in someone's lab that we just can't see right now? ... The possibilities are endless and until empirical evidence points in the right direction, no possibility that hasn't been empirically proven to be wrong should be discounted prematurely.

Doesn't sound like you are referring to any of the gods of any of the organized religions. In that case, I am perfectly ok with someone thinking there MIGHT be a generic thing that created the universe. Your position is so vanilla generic who cares, right? If you aren't claiming he visited you or that I'll go to hell for not believing you, we really have nothing to argue about. You believe there could be a creator, and I too won't rule it out. I tend to lean on the side of doubt based on all the information I've uncovered, but still I can't say I know for sure so that's why I say I'm an agnostic atheist. I doubt it but remain open to the possibility. Do you lean either way?

“I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.” – Carl Sagan

Would you call someone who says this an agnostic?

 

[hobelim]

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction?

The story of the boy who cried wolf is entirely made up fiction. We don't know where it happened, when it happened, or even what country it happened in. We don't know the name of the boy, the language that he spoke, how old he was, and there is absolutely no proof that any of it ever happened at all. Does that make it all worthless bullshit? Or does it convey a teaching and a truth not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used and was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people?

Are you talking about the part when god tells his followers to kill people? Or when he mass murders nearly everyone on earth in a flood? ...

Excellent question.

You know that all of the stories in scripture were written by men and many stories date back to a time when people believed that another human being could be a god. many allude to actual events with a divine explanation, and others are pure hyperbole and even eyewitness accounts of what was seen and heard in a dream.

When I read scripture it always is a man who claims to have heard from God. That alone makes it suspect.

The bible begins with a story of a talking serpent. I'm afraid that if you want to learn the teachings conveyed, you have to use your brain.

 

[sealybobo]

Do you believe Mary was a virgin? Or are you agnostic about that too?

Agnostics are just ***** atheists. You have balls enough to not buy into Christianity though so at least you can't be bullied or guilted into believing that stuff.

You are an atheist towards organized religions but agnostic about a creator?

Otherwise, what more do you need to know about Christianity for you to finally make a decision? I'd like to help you decide if you believe Jesus walked on water. Remember, God still burns agnostics in hell for all eternity, not just atheists. You agnostic or undecided on that too?

I don't see any proof for or against the possible existence of a god. Atheists say that god is not possible. Presently, I feel that there's no way to know that.
As for religions, they all have no real foundation in reality, i.e. no proof, but that doesn't really have anything to do with whether there's a god or not.

What is a God? Define it. Then I can tell you if there is any proof for or against it. Is it all powerful? Because if it is, why did it create cancer?

The more you understand, the more you realize there is no need for God.

How can I define something for which their is no proof for or against? Or maybe I just did, lol.

Name one other thing you that there is no proof for that you are agnostic about.

Why does it matter that there is no proof against it? All you need to know is there is no proof for it.

There was no proof of the atom until we discovered it. Does that means that before that, you would have been atheist about the possibility of atoms being possible? Because if so, you would have been wrong.

Did they say the atom came and knocked up Mary and made a heaven and hell for us? So you have this hypothisis that a god exists or an atom exists. Prove either exists. You can prove the atom exists but you can never prove god exists. See the difference?

Again, you are talking about a generic creator of the universe. As long as you don't claim it came and talked to you, I really have no problem with your position. I'm just trying to point out how you are being 50-50 on something that can and will never be proven. Why? Do you lean either way?

 

[sealybobo]

Oh, and there is no American Atheism. We don't have a club, don't go to meetings, we aren't organized and there is no movement.

But we are pleased to see despite being unorganized our numbers are growing.

Survey Says: Atheism is on the Rise Worldwide (and in America)

A new global survey on religiosity (PDF) by WIN-Gallup International has two big findings:

First, the United States has gone from being 1% godless in 2005 to 5% in 2012. (The percentage of people simply calling themselves non-religious is 30%, significantly higher than ever before.) That jumps us up quite a bit on the Global Atheism Index:

The other finding is that atheists are now 13% of the world population, an increase of 9% since 2005:

Interesting. You claim there's no movement, no organization but continue to speak collectively. Yes, most atheists here are just anti-Christians. I don't know about the rest of the world because I live here but I suspect it's similar. Talk to any atheist you want here and they will immediately start kicking the Bible around as proof there is no god.

Atheism takes faith / is a religion.
Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color, or not collecting stamps a hobby.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods, nothing more. If we deconstruct the term ‘atheism’ we find ‘a – theism’ which means ‘without – theism’ which, in turn, means ‘without – belief in god(s)’. It is, therefore, not a positive belief or a claim to knowledge. Instead, it is the default position of doubt, uncertainty and skepticism one may have regarding claims made by theists. Just as it takes no faith to lack belief or remain uncertain concerning any other imaginable claim, it takes none to doubt the existence of a god or gods. See also: Atheism is based on faith, Russell’s Teapot.

Every human-being ever born begins life as an implicit atheist and must be taught the concept of theism or, more commonly, indoctrinated with it.

Atheism has no sacred texts, objects, places or times, no rituals or creation stories, no positive beliefs, central tenants, modes of worship or supernatural claims, no implicit or derived moral codes, philosophies or world views and no central organisation or church. It fulfills none of the criteria that define a religion. See also: Atheism is a religion.

Atheists may subscribe to any additional ideologies, philosophies and belief systems they choose, eg. Buddhism, Jainism, Universalism, Environmentalism, Pragmatism, Liberalism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Conservatism, etc. They may even appreciate components of traditional religion and spiritualism, including any supernatural elements unrelated to a god. Common among many atheists, however, is an appreciation for secularism, rationalism, humanism, skepticism, naturalism, materialism and freethinking – none of which are implicit or derived from atheism, nor necessary in order to lack belief.

See also: A Lack of Belief in Gods for a short introduction to atheism (a must watch), Sam Harris – Misconceptions about Atheism (a must watch), Putting faith in it’s place(a must watch).

“To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask.” – Geoff Mather

You can't even formulate your own arguments. But all of that was already discussed.

I just read your reply and it made me think of that. Why type it all over again when I can just cut and paste. Something you don't like about what you read?

Stupid posts aren't something I like or dislike. You are very confused. You just proved you are an agnostic but become "atheist" when confronted with Christianity. It's what I've said all along.

I mention a while back that it's word games for you guys then you post a blog to prove it. Disbelieving god isn't equivalent to disbelieving pixies since you already demonstrated you don't have the answer for the universe. Posting yet another opinion that makes the exact same fallacy is supposed to do what exactly?

I don't believe Jews or Mormons or Muslims if that makes you feel any better. I'm with Mudda. Your story is bullshit. As for a generic god that never told you anything? That I am open to.

 

[Meriweather]

Every human-being ever born begins life as an implicit atheist and must be taught the concept of theism or, more commonly, indoctrinated with it.

I am in agreement with most of what you say about atheism: That it is simply a lack of belief. It requires no faith.

As far as being born an 'implicit atheist', we are born implicitly ignorant about everything and must be taught. Once taught, each individual decides for him/herself if that particular concept (be it higher math, world geography, astronomy, or theology) is of importance to that individual life. Obviously, theology is vital to my life because of the experiences that have come out of it, and how I believe it is what has made my life a great deal more joyful than those who were raised with me, but gave up the belief.

This does NOT mean my siblings are miserable, but I notice more things bother them than bother me. Some might say it is probably just an individual personality quirk--except my siblings note that after what I went through, I should be the most troubled of all. Further, I do not doubt that religion is responsible for many miserable situations and lives. But done correctly...that's the difference.

 

[koshergrl]

We don't say a god is not possible. Its possible. Just doesn't seem probable. And most of our anti god attitude has to do with Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews saying God visited.

If all you are saying is there might be a god, I as an atheist will agree with you I have to be agnostic about that because to know for sure, I'd either have to be a god or die to find out.

Now tell me he visited you and I'll go to hell if I don't believe. That's when I become an atheist.

That's what I've been saying and you've argued about it. If god is possible then you are in fact an agnostic. If someone brings up the Bible you call yourself an atheist, that means it's an anti-Christian reaction.

I'm an agnostic that thinks the bible is total crap. That doesn't make me an atheist.

A
Are you agnostic about the devil?

The devil is not my problem, it's a Catholic problem. The bible is bullshit from start to finish, imo. I think all organized religions are retarded.

Lol in that statement you expose yourself as an ignoramus.

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction? Or are you just projecting again? Or maybe you just had no real comeback to dispute what i said?

You're ignorant because you don't know the bible, but still say it's bullshit. Only low functioning retards do that.

You assume that I don't know the bible. So no one can know the bible and thinks it's made up myths and bs? Everyone who has ever read the bible thinks that it's 100% fact? Ummm... no.

I know you don't know the bible...or history. If you did you wouldn't blather such blatant stupidity.

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't believe Jews or Mormons or Muslims if that makes you feel any better. I'm with Mudda. Your story is bullshit. As for a generic god that never told you anything? That I am open to.

What is my story? And how do you come to the conclusion I have an invested interest in your approval?

 

[sealybobo]

I'm ignorant because I can see that the bible is bullshit, and is made up of fiction?

The story of the boy who cried wolf is entirely made up fiction. We don't know where it happened, when it happened, or even what country it happened in. We don't know the name of the boy, the language that he spoke, how old he was, and there is absolutely no proof that any of it ever happened at all. Does that make it all worthless bullshit? Or does it convey a teaching and a truth not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used and was never intended to be taken literally by intelligent people?

Are you talking about the part when god tells his followers to kill people? Or when he mass murders nearly everyone on earth in a flood? ...

Excellent question.

You know that all of the stories in scripture were written by men and many stories date back to a time when people believed that another human being could be a god. many allude to actual events with a divine explanation, and others are pure hyperbole and even eyewitness accounts of what was seen and heard in a dream.

When I read scripture it always is a man who claims to have heard from God. That alone makes it suspect.

The bible begins with a story of a talking serpent. I'm afraid that if you want to learn the teachings conveyed, you have to use your brain.

It even happens in our lifetime. I lived during the same time Mother Theresa lived and I don't remember her ever performing a miracle but I believe the new pope has recognized she performed 2.

I'm sure in 100 years it'll be 100 miracles she performed.

I also lived during Pope John Paul 2. He didn't perform any miracles but apparently he cured someone of Parkinson's disease? Really? Only one person? What a dick. LOL.

the healing of a French nun from Parkinson's disease. A second miracle attributed to John Paul II's intercession was approved on 2 July 2013, and confirmed by Pope Francis two days later (two miracles must be attributed to a person's intercession to be declared a saint).

 

[Meriweather]

It is true. From what I see, I don't believe in a creator. Sounds stupid to me although I do admit it is amazing that all we see could have happened without an intelligent designer. But with things like cancer, how intelligent is he? He certainly isn't perfect.

Perhaps more perfect than you think. Did you know that without cancer, many things would not exist today? Including us? (Obviously, I am not speaking of the disease that takes lives today, but what cells do in what we term 'cancer'.)

 

[sealybobo]

I don't believe Jews or Mormons or Muslims if that makes you feel any better. I'm with Mudda. Your story is bullshit. As for a generic god that never told you anything? That I am open to.

What is my story? And how do you come to the conclusion I have an invested interest in your approval?

Because you are talking to me. I have a god complex. I think I'm that important.

 

[sealybobo]

It is true. From what I see, I don't believe in a creator. Sounds stupid to me although I do admit it is amazing that all we see could have happened without an intelligent designer. But with things like cancer, how intelligent is he? He certainly isn't perfect.

Perhaps more perfect than you think. Did you know that without cancer, many things would not exist today? Including us? (Obviously, I am not speaking of the disease that takes lives today, but what cells do in what we term 'cancer'.)

Thanks GOD!

 

[Meriweather]

It even happens in our lifetime. I lived during the same time Mother Theresa lived and I don't remember her ever performing a miracle but I believe the new pope has recognized she performed 2.

I'm sure in 100 years it'll be 100 miracles she performed.

I also lived during Pope John Paul 2. He didn't perform any miracles but apparently he cured someone of Parkinson's disease? Really? Only one person? What a dick. LOL.

the healing of a French nun from Parkinson's disease. A second miracle attributed to John Paul II's intercession was approved on 2 July 2013, and confirmed by Pope Francis two days later (two miracles must be attributed to a person's intercession to be declared a saint).

Just a slight correction. Catholics believe it is God who performed the miracles, not Mother Teresa, and not Pope John Paul II. The belief is that their intercession contributed to the request being heard and granted. (When two or more are gathered in my name, I (Christ) am among them...)

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't believe Jews or Mormons or Muslims if that makes you feel any better. I'm with Mudda. Your story is bullshit. As for a generic god that never told you anything? That I am open to.

What is my story? And how do you come to the conclusion I have an invested interest in your approval?

Because you are talking to me. I have a god complex. I think I'm that important.

You think pointing out fallacies is seeking your approval? Again, what's my story?

 

[sealybobo]

We don't say a god is not possible. Its possible. Just doesn't seem probable. And most of our anti god attitude has to do with Christians, Muslims, Mormons and Jews saying God visited.

If all you are saying is there might be a god, I as an atheist will agree with you I have to be agnostic about that because to know for sure, I'd either have to be a god or die to find out.

Now tell me he visited you and I'll go to hell if I don't believe. That's when I become an atheist.

That's what I've been saying and you've argued about it. If god is possible then you are in fact an agnostic. If someone brings up the Bible you call yourself an atheist, that means it's an anti-Christian reaction.

I'm an agnostic atheist. I lean towards disbelief.

I can't be an atheist because I can't know for sure there is no god, right? So no one can be a theist then based on your definition. If atheist is the opposite of theist, no one can be an atheist or theist then.

Even a Christian is agnostic then because they can't possibly know. They may think they do but they don't. They only believe. And its wishful thinking IMO.