Why I don't believe in God

[Mudda]

Based on something real, past scientific discoveries.

You have nothing that is "real" or based on past science to suggest that we can ever build a physical detector to measure something that defies physical principles. As I said, Dark Matter simply passes through your physical detector, whatever it is. Therefore, your physical detector is useless.

Physical detectors at present are useless, you don't know what will happen in the future. At least admit that you can't predict the future. C'mon, I KNOW you can do that.

 

[Boss]

Unlike you, who has faith that "nor will we ever create one", which is unprovable/just plain wrong because you have no clue what humans might do a million years from now...

I don't think humans will be here in a million years. In fact, we're beating the odds to be here this long.

We will never be able to create any physical apparatus to measure something that doesn't interact with physical matter. You may as well be wishing for a machine to detect God or spirits. Do you think that will one day be possible?

FAITH is the belief in something that isn't proven. You've expressed faith that science will someday answer all the questions regarding dark energy and matter. But somehow, you don't see that as faith. You believe in something that isn't proven, but you don't think that is faith. Weird.

You keep putting words in my mouth to make me fit into your neat little world. I said that scientists will probably, but maybe not, find a second way, after mathematics, to detect DM and DE. More faith required.

No, I quoted you accurately and gave you the definition of faith and now you're just being silly.

You did not say "probably, but maybe not" originally. That is new. So your unshakable faith in science has now been shaken and all I did was give you a definition of faith.

And, science already has a second way... gravity. That's why the math told them DE and DM must exist.... because of the gravity it creates. That's how they came up with "96%" for something they can't actually 'physically' measure or observe. They can measure the atomic weight of every atom contained in all the physical matter of the universe, but this only accounted for about 4% of the amount of gravity. They knew, because of the math, something else was responsible for 96% of the universe. In fact, it is what is holding our entire physical universe together like some kind of magical cosmic gel.

So when people say they don't believe in God or Spiritual Nature because they can't see it or observe it, and there is no physical proof it exists... this paradox always comes to mind. There are known things in science which scientists cannot explain with contemporary physics.

 

[Boss]

A good chance is just playing the odds. Ever been in a casino? Played the horses? If you go in betting on faith, you're done.

Any bet you ever can make is made on faith.

 

[Boss]

You're arguing from the intelligence-perspective of a walnut. I can't answer that. Ask a walnut.

Well if that is the case, you are being completely outwitted and outclassed by a walnut... how does that feel?

I noticed that you cut out your previous post from this mini-thread. That says a lot.

And no, I don't dumb-down that far.

Oh you mean the walnut-brained questions about Santa Claus that I was addressing with Science? Sorry, I figured you already knew what you had said. And again, if I am the intelligence-perspective of a walnut and I am schooling your ass on both science AND faith... what does that make you? A peanut?

 

[Boss]

Based on something real, past scientific discoveries.

You have nothing that is "real" or based on past science to suggest that we can ever build a physical detector to measure something that defies physical principles. As I said, Dark Matter simply passes through your physical detector, whatever it is. Therefore, your physical detector is useless.

Physical detectors at present are useless, you don't know what will happen in the future. At least admit that you can't predict the future. C'mon, I KNOW you can do that.

Well I don't profess to predict the future.. I have faith that physical science won't figure out how to examine things which don't interact with physical nature in any direct way. I also have faith that we won't time travel into the future or past. I don't know that my faith is correct, it's just what I believe.

 

[Boss]

On the other hand... God might come one day and say, "Silly me! When I created you 100k years ago, I forgot to turn on a few switches which enable you to experience 96% of this place... let me take care of that and then you will see what all you've been missing!" ...I suppose THAT could happen.

 

[Mudda]

Unlike you, who has faith that "nor will we ever create one", which is unprovable/just plain wrong because you have no clue what humans might do a million years from now...

I don't think humans will be here in a million years. In fact, we're beating the odds to be here this long.

We will never be able to create any physical apparatus to measure something that doesn't interact with physical matter. You may as well be wishing for a machine to detect God or spirits. Do you think that will one day be possible?

FAITH is the belief in something that isn't proven. You've expressed faith that science will someday answer all the questions regarding dark energy and matter. But somehow, you don't see that as faith. You believe in something that isn't proven, but you don't think that is faith. Weird.

You keep putting words in my mouth to make me fit into your neat little world. I said that scientists will probably, but maybe not, find a second way, after mathematics, to detect DM and DE. More faith required.

No, I quoted you accurately and gave you the definition of faith and now you're just being silly.

You did not say "probably, but maybe not" originally. That is new. So your unshakable faith in science has now been shaken and all I did was give you a definition of faith.

And, science already has a second way... gravity. That's why the math told them DE and DM must exist.... because of the gravity it creates. That's how they came up with "96%" for something they can't actually 'physically' measure or observe. They can measure the atomic weight of every atom contained in all the physical matter of the universe, but this only accounted for about 4% of the amount of gravity. They knew, because of the math, something else was responsible for 96% of the universe. In fact, it is what is holding our entire physical universe together like some kind of magical cosmic gel.

So when people say they don't believe in God or Spiritual Nature because they can't see it or observe it, and there is no physical proof it exists... this paradox always comes to mind. There are known things in science which scientists cannot explain with contemporary physics.

Dream on. You have nothing.

 

[Mudda]

A good chance is just playing the odds. Ever been in a casino? Played the horses? If you go in betting on faith, you're done.

Any bet you ever can make is made on faith.

No, you're playing the stats, meaning the odds, with a little luck thrown in. People pray to win but that is useless.

 

[Mudda]

You're arguing from the intelligence-perspective of a walnut. I can't answer that. Ask a walnut.

Well if that is the case, you are being completely outwitted and outclassed by a walnut... how does that feel?

I noticed that you cut out your previous post from this mini-thread. That says a lot.

And no, I don't dumb-down that far.

Oh you mean the walnut-brained questions about Santa Claus that I was addressing with Science? Sorry, I figured you already knew what you had said. And again, if I am the intelligence-perspective of a walnut and I am schooling your ass on both science AND faith... what does that make you? A peanut?

This is your problem on this board, you obsessively attack, like a dog on a bone, going round and round on the same points because you lose them every time, so you come back again and again to make shit up and keep going. Have fun.

 

[Mudda]

Based on something real, past scientific discoveries.

You have nothing that is "real" or based on past science to suggest that we can ever build a physical detector to measure something that defies physical principles. As I said, Dark Matter simply passes through your physical detector, whatever it is. Therefore, your physical detector is useless.

Physical detectors at present are useless, you don't know what will happen in the future. At least admit that you can't predict the future. C'mon, I KNOW you can do that.

Well I don't profess to predict the future.. I have faith that physical science won't figure out how to examine things which don't interact with physical nature in any direct way. I also have faith that we won't time travel into the future or past. I don't know that my faith is correct, it's just what I believe.

Then you'd be wrong. Science makes new discoveries all the time. You can try to live in the dark if you want, but the rest of the world will pass you by.

 

[Boss]

A good chance is just playing the odds. Ever been in a casino? Played the horses? If you go in betting on faith, you're done.

Any bet you ever can make is made on faith.

No, you're playing the stats, meaning the odds, with a little luck thrown in. People pray to win but that is useless.

You may be playing the stats but you are still operating on faith. In fact, that is always what a bet is... your faith vs. the faith of whom you are betting with. Are you really this dumb? You still don't understand what faith means?

 

[Boss]

Based on something real, past scientific discoveries.

You have nothing that is "real" or based on past science to suggest that we can ever build a physical detector to measure something that defies physical principles. As I said, Dark Matter simply passes through your physical detector, whatever it is. Therefore, your physical detector is useless.

Physical detectors at present are useless, you don't know what will happen in the future. At least admit that you can't predict the future. C'mon, I KNOW you can do that.

Well I don't profess to predict the future.. I have faith that physical science won't figure out how to examine things which don't interact with physical nature in any direct way. I also have faith that we won't time travel into the future or past. I don't know that my faith is correct, it's just what I believe.

Then you'd be wrong. Science makes new discoveries all the time. You can try to live in the dark if you want, but the rest of the world will pass you by.

Yes, physical science discovers things about the physical universe all the time. That's how DM and DE were discovered. What physical science can't do is evaluate things outside of the confines of physics.

You can say that "you'd be wrong" and apply that to some faith you have in what the future holds... you have no way to know the future either.

 

[Mudda]

A good chance is just playing the odds. Ever been in a casino? Played the horses? If you go in betting on faith, you're done.

Any bet you ever can make is made on faith.

No, you're playing the stats, meaning the odds, with a little luck thrown in. People pray to win but that is useless.

You may be playing the stats but you are still operating on faith. In fact, that is always what a bet is... your faith vs. the faith of whom you are betting with. Are you really this dumb? You still don't understand what faith means?

If I'm dumb, it's for talking to you for so long.

You've lost so badly, that now you're descending into insults. Predictable. Not faith.

 

[Boss]

A good chance is just playing the odds. Ever been in a casino? Played the horses? If you go in betting on faith, you're done.

Any bet you ever can make is made on faith.

No, you're playing the stats, meaning the odds, with a little luck thrown in. People pray to win but that is useless.

You may be playing the stats but you are still operating on faith. In fact, that is always what a bet is... your faith vs. the faith of whom you are betting with. Are you really this dumb? You still don't understand what faith means?

If I'm dumb, it's for talking to you for so long.

You've lost so badly, that now you're descending into insults. Predictable. Not faith.

Hey, you're the one who started with the insults by comparing my intellect to a walnut... are you saying you were losing badly? I mean, I totally agree... you were getting your ass kicked pretty good but I usually don't get my opponent to admit that.

Prediction (like betting) is based on FAITH!

 

[PostmodernProph]

How can you build a detector to detect something that just goes through the equipment?

That's up to scientists to figure out. In time, they will.

...said the man full of faith......

Faith is the belief in something unprovable. The total opposite of science.

really?.....if scientists have not yet figured something out, how do you prove that in time they will?......is that not something unprovable.....that is, faith?.....

They MIGHT and LIKELY WILL figure it out. No faith required. Feel better now?

you abandoned your faith rather quickly.......such a weak faith you had.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Anyways, the word :faith" doesn't always have the exact same meaning, like if I say "I have faith in my brother to get it right...". In this instance, having faith means that I think that there's a good chance that he'll get it right, not that my brother is unprovable, or that his success his unprovable. Is English not your first language?

actually that IS the exact same meaning.....you believe your brother will get it right even though it could never be proved.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Making your god just as made-up as all the others.

Where is your scientific proof (or even, evidence) that humans made up spirituality?

Religion.

religion is proof that humans made up religions......spirituality is WHY humans made up religions.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Then you'd be wrong

in light of the discussion can you prove that or are you just playing with statistics?......

 

[Mudda]

A good chance is just playing the odds. Ever been in a casino? Played the horses? If you go in betting on faith, you're done.

Any bet you ever can make is made on faith.

No, you're playing the stats, meaning the odds, with a little luck thrown in. People pray to win but that is useless.

You may be playing the stats but you are still operating on faith. In fact, that is always what a bet is... your faith vs. the faith of whom you are betting with. Are you really this dumb? You still don't understand what faith means?

If I'm dumb, it's for talking to you for so long.

You've lost so badly, that now you're descending into insults. Predictable. Not faith.

Hey, you're the one who started with the insults by comparing my intellect to a walnut... are you saying you were losing badly? I mean, I totally agree... you were getting your ass kicked pretty good but I usually don't get my opponent to admit that.

Prediction (like betting) is based on FAITH!

You're example was retarded.

My betting is based on probabilities, and past experience with betting, past experience of a certain horse or team...
Your betting is based on blind faith, I get it.

 

[Mudda]

That's up to scientists to figure out. In time, they will.

...said the man full of faith......

Faith is the belief in something unprovable. The total opposite of science.

really?.....if scientists have not yet figured something out, how do you prove that in time they will?......is that not something unprovable.....that is, faith?.....

They MIGHT and LIKELY WILL figure it out. No faith required. Feel better now?

you abandoned your faith rather quickly.......such a weak faith you had.......

I've been saying the same thing all along, I don't have faith that scientists will figure it out, I'm fairly certain based on past attempts of scientists to figure things out. And if they don't figure it out, I don't care, it doesn't change my world. Faith is for losers.