Why havent gays targeted Muslim owned business

[NYcarbineer]

Are they afraid of Muslims?

I'm sure this is a rhetorical question, but as we all know, Islam is the PC-protected religion, so the Left isn't going to put them on the spot like that.

Perhaps the irony of all ironies, given how gays are treated in, um, other places.

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Where is Islam being unlawfully protected by liberals?

 

[Redfish]

Well why shouldn't they be allowed to get married?

Straight people get married and they don;t always use a church, sometimes they just go to the Justice of peace and get married at the courthouse.

Why shouldn't gay couples be allowed to marry?

We have a difference of opinion, why can't you understand that?

Most human beings think that gay marriage is wrong for society, you think its OK.

So lets put it to a vote in every state and let the people decide. Thats how a democracy is supposed to work.

I don;t understand that. I am asking why gay couples shouldn't be allowed to marry just because someone doesn't like it.?

Because Liberty is a core value of the Right. Except the most important aspect of Liberty, to people like Redfish, is the liberty to infringe on the liberty of others.

Are lawa against child abuse infringing on the rights of child abusers? We have laws because a majority of the citizens have decided what they consider right and wrong.

That's also why we have a Constitution as the supreme law of the land.

Yes, you are beginning to get it. Now, when an issue comes up where the citizens are divided, or clarification is needed, we add amendments. Gay marriage is a perfect candidate for an amendment. So why do you on the left object to settling this once and for all by getting 38 states to rafify an amendment making marriage legal for two people of opposite or the same sex?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Well let's think, 2% of the population is Muslim, and 83% of the population is Christian. Only a handful of businesses have made headlines by practicing bigotry. Are you surprised they're all Christian. Why aren't you and NLT asking about Jewish businesses?

I wonder though if conservatives would defend a Muslim business if gays protested them. They're beliefs are very similar to each others after all.

I would. Unlike your side I can defend speech and actions I don't agree with, otherwise known as freedom.

Your side is going after the low hanging fruit first, we all know that.

Oh so you'll defend gay people's right to marry since you don't agree with it?

I agree with it when it is implemented by a vote of the state legislature to change the marriage contract to include same sex couples. I would also vote for it if brought up via referendum.

I also support the courts requiring any issued marriage certificate be honored by all States, same as now, and same as with driver's licenses, ( I would also extend that protection to CCW's).

What I don't see is Courts forcing the States to issue same sex marriage certificates if the States don't want to, due to the will of the people of the State.

The courts exist for a reason.

As a co-equal branch of government, for interpreting law, not creating new law, and that is what the courts have recently being doing.

I never understand the left's love of being ruled by 5 of 9 un-elected lawyers, but I guess it appeals to their love of oligarchy.

The courts have not created any laws. They exist as a check and balance to unconstitutional practices. Bigotry and discrimination have been shown to be unconstitutional.

 

[Redfish]

We have a difference of opinion, why can't you understand that?

Most human beings think that gay marriage is wrong for society, you think its OK.

So lets put it to a vote in every state and let the people decide. Thats how a democracy is supposed to work.

Are you claiming we're a direct democracy now? Can you show us the national referendum clause of the Constitution?

not what I said. I said let each state vote on it.

Or, you could have a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states------thats really the only way to settle this once and for all.

Do you understand why we have a Constitution, with a Bill of Rights?

Yes, do you understand why we have amendments to the constitution and how they were enacted?

You have an amendment that authorizes discrimination against gays?

of course not. What a stupid comment.

 

[Mac1958]

Are they afraid of Muslims?

I'm sure this is a rhetorical question, but as we all know, Islam is the PC-protected religion, so the Left isn't going to put them on the spot like that.

Perhaps the irony of all ironies, given how gays are treated in, um, other places.

,

Where is Islam being unlawfully protected by liberals?

DING!

Once again, USMB'S King of the Straw Man just can't help himself.

As you know, you only get one (1) "that's not what I said".

Play with someone else, thanks!



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[Kondor3]

cant you stay on topic. Why are gays not going after muslim owned business? I say they are chicken shits.

You're trying to bash gays for something irrelevant because you've lost the relevant argument.

Be that as it may... is he right?

No he's not right. A gay couple doesn't have to go around buying dozens of cakes from bakeries run by people of all possible religious denominations to prove some insane accusation by a RWnut isn't true.

That is absurd even for you people.

Well, given that Muslim religious beliefs, and related cultural practices within the regions where Islam is dominant, seem to anathematize and shun homosexuals to an extent unknown at-large in The West, perhaps it's time that the LGBT community puts this so-called new-found Egalitarianism to the test in a Muslim-centric setting.

I mean, after all, the LGBT community has become highly organized and proactive in recent years, and they have been known to seek-out publicly-declared opponents of their agenda, to public chastise them and to attempt to bait them into such acts as refusal-of-service, so, pursuing Muslims for purposes of such testing is consistent with both their agenda and past behaviors.

An individual couple does not have to do such things, but, one would think, in the interests of complete fairness, that the activist element(s) of their movement, would be obliged to put such resistance to the test, within all frameworks, not just those other than Islam.

So...

Perhaps the idea - and allegations of hipocrisy and intellectual cowardice - are not so far off-the-mark, after all?

The whole idea sounds like great fun... let's see the LGBT community at-large make a concerted effort to test Muslim business owners, as well.

So you want to deny gays the right to be served at any public accommodation on the grounds that not enough gays have 'targeted' businesses run by Muslims?

What kind of insane reasoning is that?

Nope.

I want anybody to be able to refuse service to Gays based upon their religious belief that homosexuality is a deviant and perverse condition and practice.

 

[Michelle420]

Wrong.

NO, its quite accurate. But if you can prove it wrong, lets see your proof.

No one has proven that gays are targeting any businesses, whatever 'targeting' means.

btw, they have the RIGHT to 'target' a business, whatever 'targeting' means.

Don't be so naive. Of course they have targeted businesses that they know to be anti-gay.

So you tell us-------why would a gay couple want to do business with someone who does not approve of their lifestyle? Why not go to a busines that approves of gay marriage?

Why did blacks in the 60's go to diners where they weren't wanted? Shouldn't they just have gone to the 'black' diners?

failed analogy. race and sexual orientation are not the same issue.

100 years ago people argued against inter racial marriage and it was not legal. Why was it ok to discriminate against inter racial marriage and deny that right back then?

 

[Kondor3]

He started his bucket list very early in life.

I like NLT, But I don't like his anti gay activities.

I have close friends and family members who are gay. It's just hurtful.

being opposed to gay marriage does not equate to not liking gays. I have gay friends and relatives, I love and respect every one of them. Most of them are also opposed to gay marriage and think the whole issue is being over blown (excuse the pun)

Well why shouldn't they be allowed to get married?

Straight people get married and they don;t always use a church, sometimes they just go to the Justice of peace and get married at the courthouse.

Why shouldn't gay couples be allowed to marry?

Because it 'normalizes' and 'mainstreams' and 'endorses' and 'perpetuates' sexual deviancy and perversity?

What is deviant about it?

If you have to ask the question you will not accept the answer.

 

[bodecea]

Gays have been on a all out assualt on christian owned businesss. when have you heard about gays targeting businesses run by Muslims? In places like Dearborn, Michigan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Muslims have virtually taken over the area and now control local government, schools and many businesses.

Are they afraid of Muslims?

If one of their businesses commits an act of illegal bigotry you can bet there will be an outcry. Of course since Muslims are only about 2% of the population we may be waiting a while.

I bet they do it daily. The gays are too afraid to target them.

If they do it daily, should be easy to find a case, right?

Tho, I will say this. If any gay couple lets a Muslim baker slide, they should not. Does Michigan and Tennessee have the PA laws in place where businesses cannot refuse service based on sexual orientation?

 

[Michelle420]

You're trying to bash gays for something irrelevant because you've lost the relevant argument.

Be that as it may... is he right?

No he's not right. A gay couple doesn't have to go around buying dozens of cakes from bakeries run by people of all possible religious denominations to prove some insane accusation by a RWnut isn't true.

That is absurd even for you people.

Well, given that Muslim religious beliefs, and related cultural practices within the regions where Islam is dominant, seem to anathematize and shun homosexuals to an extent unknown at-large in The West, perhaps it's time that the LGBT community puts this so-called new-found Egalitarianism to the test in a Muslim-centric setting.

I mean, after all, the LGBT community has become highly organized and proactive in recent years, and they have been known to seek-out publicly-declared opponents of their agenda, to public chastise them and to attempt to bait them into such acts as refusal-of-service, so, pursuing Muslims for purposes of such testing is consistent with both their agenda and past behaviors.

An individual couple does not have to do such things, but, one would think, in the interests of complete fairness, that the activist element(s) of their movement, would be obliged to put such resistance to the test, within all frameworks, not just those other than Islam.

So...

Perhaps the idea - and allegations of hipocrisy and intellectual cowardice - are not so far off-the-mark, after all?

The whole idea sounds like great fun... let's see the LGBT community at-large make a concerted effort to test Muslim business owners, as well.

So you want to deny gays the right to be served at any public accommodation on the grounds that not enough gays have 'targeted' businesses run by Muslims?

What kind of insane reasoning is that?

Nope.

I want anybody to be able to refuse service to Gays based upon their religious belief that homosexuality is a deviant and perverse condition and practice.

Why?

Some religions believed that black people were the mark of cain, should they be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for black people based on religious beliefs?

 

[Redfish]

NO, its quite accurate. But if you can prove it wrong, lets see your proof.

No one has proven that gays are targeting any businesses, whatever 'targeting' means.

btw, they have the RIGHT to 'target' a business, whatever 'targeting' means.

Don't be so naive. Of course they have targeted businesses that they know to be anti-gay.

So you tell us-------why would a gay couple want to do business with someone who does not approve of their lifestyle? Why not go to a busines that approves of gay marriage?

Why did blacks in the 60's go to diners where they weren't wanted? Shouldn't they just have gone to the 'black' diners?

failed analogy. race and sexual orientation are not the same issue.

100 years ago people argued against inter racial marriage and it was not legal. Why was it ok to discriminate against inter racial marriage and deny that right back then?

it wasn't right, no one said it was. that issue was clarified with a constitutional amendment.

the same should be done with gay marriage.

 

[Kondor3]

He started his bucket list very early in life.

I like NLT, But I don't like his anti gay activities.

I have close friends and family members who are gay. It's just hurtful.

being opposed to gay marriage does not equate to not liking gays. I have gay friends and relatives, I love and respect every one of them. Most of them are also opposed to gay marriage and think the whole issue is being over blown (excuse the pun)

Well why shouldn't they be allowed to get married?

Straight people get married and they don;t always use a church, sometimes they just go to the Justice of peace and get married at the courthouse.

Why shouldn't gay couples be allowed to marry?

Because it 'normalizes' and 'mainstreams' and 'endorses' and 'perpetuates' sexual deviancy and perversity?

Prove that it's deviant as a relevant legal matter, regarding rights.

No need.

Child pornography and pedophilia and bestiality are deviant behaviors and are proscribed by law.

As was homosexuality, until fairly recently.

Precedent has long-since been established that deviant and perverse behaviors may be proscribed by law.

At issue here is the recent relaxing of that stance in connection with homosexuality.

A state of affairs that vast numbers of your fellow countrymen are looking to reverse in the coming years.

 

[bodecea]

Gays have been on a all out assualt on christian owned businesss. when have you heard about gays targeting businesses run by Muslims? In places like Dearborn, Michigan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Muslims have virtually taken over the area and now control local government, schools and many businesses.

Are they afraid of Muslims?

There is no assault by anyone, gays or otherwise, on Christians. There is an effort by all kinds of Americans against the radical right wing factions that attempt to impose their anti Christian Shiiria (Christshiira) laws and beliefs on others, including other Christians. The so called Christians you claim are being targeted are not viewed as Christians by many. They are viewed as fake Christians, much like Westboro Baptist are viewed as fake Christians.

Which brings up the point.....how many Christian bakeries have made cakes for Gay weddings without a hitch?

 

[Redfish]

Gays have been on a all out assualt on christian owned businesss. when have you heard about gays targeting businesses run by Muslims? In places like Dearborn, Michigan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Muslims have virtually taken over the area and now control local government, schools and many businesses.

Are they afraid of Muslims?

There is no assault by anyone, gays or otherwise, on Christians. There is an effort by all kinds of Americans against the radical right wing factions that attempt to impose their anti Christian Shiiria (Christshiira) laws and beliefs on others, including other Christians. The so called Christians you claim are being targeted are not viewed as Christians by many. They are viewed as fake Christians, much like Westboro Baptist are viewed as fake Christians.

Which brings up the point.....how many Christian bakeries have made cakes for Gay weddings without a hitch?

probably thousands, whats your point?

why do gays pick the ones that they know disapprove of gay marriage?

 

[bodecea]

Gays have been on a all out assualt on christian owned businesss. when have you heard about gays targeting businesses run by Muslims? In places like Dearborn, Michigan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Muslims have virtually taken over the area and now control local government, schools and many businesses.

Are they afraid of Muslims?

There is no assault by anyone, gays or otherwise, on Christians. There is an effort by all kinds of Americans against the radical right wing factions that attempt to impose their anti Christian Shiiria (Christshiira) laws and beliefs on others, including other Christians. The so called Christians you claim are being targeted are not viewed as Christians by many. They are viewed as fake Christians, much like Westboro Baptist are viewed as fake Christians.

What a load of shit. Gays are going after any christian business that they think they can get. They dont make distinctions on wether or not the owners are right wing or not.

How many Christian bakeries have made cakes for gay weddings without any issues?

 

[Kondor3]

Why? Some religions believed that black people were the mark of cain, should they be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for black people based on religious beliefs?

Irrelevant. Black skin color is a far cry from sexual deviancy and perversity.

 

[Redfish]

Why? Some religions believed that black people were the mark of cain, should they be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for black people based on religious beliefs?

Irrelevant. Black skin color is a far cry from sexual deviancy and perversity.

its the only argument they have so they will keep spouting it forever.

 

[Kondor3]

Gays have been on a all out assualt on christian owned businesss. when have you heard about gays targeting businesses run by Muslims? In places like Dearborn, Michigan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Muslims have virtually taken over the area and now control local government, schools and many businesses.

Are they afraid of Muslims?

There is no assault by anyone, gays or otherwise, on Christians. There is an effort by all kinds of Americans against the radical right wing factions that attempt to impose their anti Christian Shiiria (Christshiira) laws and beliefs on others, including other Christians. The so called Christians you claim are being targeted are not viewed as Christians by many. They are viewed as fake Christians, much like Westboro Baptist are viewed as fake Christians.

What a load of shit. Gays are going after any christian business that they think they can get. They dont make distinctions on wether or not the owners are right wing or not.

How many Christian bakeries have made cakes for gay weddings without any issues?

How many offshoots or sects or spin-offs or branches of Christianity openly accept homosexuals? Several, and on a large scale.

How many offshoots or sects or spin-offs or branches of Christianity openly reject homosexuals? Several, and on a large scale.

In the case of any given incident of refusal of service on religious grounds, we need to ask ourselves whether the business person subscribes to one or the other.

Christianity, like Judaism, Islam, etc., is not a single unified philosophical mindset.

 

[bodecea]

Gays have been on a all out assualt on christian owned businesss. when have you heard about gays targeting businesses run by Muslims? In places like Dearborn, Michigan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Muslims have virtually taken over the area and now control local government, schools and many businesses.

Are they afraid of Muslims?

There is no assault by anyone, gays or otherwise, on Christians. There is an effort by all kinds of Americans against the radical right wing factions that attempt to impose their anti Christian Shiiria (Christshiira) laws and beliefs on others, including other Christians. The so called Christians you claim are being targeted are not viewed as Christians by many. They are viewed as fake Christians, much like Westboro Baptist are viewed as fake Christians.

You are using government to impose your moral compass on others. These people are looking for no law that prevents gays from getting any service, what they want is to be able to refuse service in this one limited way.

You can't weasel your way into being on the side of freedom here, you are trying to oppress your fellow citizens, at least own up to it.

And kudos for going the demonizing route, typical of the progressive statist mindset.

The Colorado bakery that got busted was not refusing to 'cater a wedding'. He refused the mere making of the cakes, and admitted he'd done so in the past.

btw that is irrelevant. If you cater weddings for heteros, you must cater weddings from gays, if the laws prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation.

cant you stay on topic. Why are gays not going after muslim owned business? I say they are chicken shits.

Who's "going after" any business?

 

[Kondor3]

Why? Some religions believed that black people were the mark of cain, should they be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for black people based on religious beliefs?

Irrelevant. Black skin color is a far cry from sexual deviancy and perversity.

its the only argument they have so they will keep spouting it forever.

True. It gets tiresome, and then, after hearing it for the thousandth time, it becomes funny. They only see the handful of similarities, not the vast differences.