Why hate the responsible government movement?

[Mr.Fitnah]

What is wrong with cutting spending and not taxing your grandchildren or your abortion abortions in to poverty ?
Why not not give them a chance ? why so greedy?

 

[TheSuaveOne]

What is wrong with cutting spending and not taxing your grandchildren or your abortion abortions in to poverty ?
Why not not give them a chance ? why so greedy?

Because we're talking about the US of A. That doesn't happen here, the members of Congress try to get re-elected, and cutting spending on different programs doesn't help them do that.

-TSO

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Most of the "hate" is because the Tea Bagger movement is seen publicly as being made up of hypocrites, Johnny Come-Latelys, Birthers, and Racists.

I personally don't hate the Tea Bagger movement, I just don't care much for them. I believe that there is probably a core group in the movement that are reasonably educated about government, disagreed with the Bush/DeLay/Frist era GOP, and represent an attempt to get back sane and reasonable government. I can sympathize with those individuals and get behind their beliefs.

The problem is that the loudest members of the movement seem to be the cranks. That's driving any legitimacy the Tea Party movement had down the tubes.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

What is wrong with cutting spending and not taxing your grandchildren or your abortion abortions in to poverty ?
Why not not give them a chance ? why so greedy?

Because we're talking about the US of A. That doesn't happen here, the members of Congress try to get re-elected, and cutting spending on different programs doesn't help them do that.

-TSO

So vilifying the people that prefer a responsible government on free interweb chat boards is how you prove you are a good consumer??

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Most of the "hate" is because the Tea Bagger movement is seen publicly as being made up of hypocrites, Johnny Come-Latelys, Birthers, and Racists.

I personally don't hate the Tea Bagger movement, I just don't care much for them. I believe that there is probably a core group in the movement that are reasonably educated about government, disagreed with the Bush/DeLay/Frist era GOP, and represent an attempt to get back sane and reasonable government. I can sympathize with those individuals and get behind their beliefs.

The problem is that the loudest members of the movement seem to be the cranks. That's driving any legitimacy the Tea Party movement had down the tubes.

Why are you not a " tea bagger" ?

 

[Charles Stucker]

Why are you not a " tea bagger" ?

From what he wrote, because he does not care to associate with the loud cranks.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Why are you not a " tea bagger" ?

From what he wrote, because he does not care to associate with the loud cranks.

Ding ding ding.

If the movement manages to save itself from the cranks, I could be behind it. I'm probably closer to being a Ron Paul supporter than a Democrat or Republican these days.

However, the movement as it is now is kinda a joke thanks to the very outspoken voices that are out and out crazy.

Plus, they've embraced Palin. I think she's a loon and has no business near government. I was wavering on McCain or Obama up until she opened her mouth.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Why are you not a " tea bagger" ?

From what he wrote, because he does not care to associate with the loud cranks.

I dont agree with all points on any thing that isn't math or documented history .
In politics there is wiggle room, but samba queen is a different story .
I mean please, there is no common ground?

 

[TheSuaveOne]

Do either of the major tea party groups have a published platform? I'd love to read it. The problem I have with many of the tea party members is their leaning toward social conservatism. Sorry, but I don't get along with bible thumpers.

-TSO

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Do either of the major tea party groups have a published platform? I'd love to read it. The problem I have with many of the tea party members is their leaning toward social conservatism. Sorry, but I don't get along with bible thumpers.

-TSO

I'd be interested in reading their platform myself. It would give a strong indication as to whether the cranks wield any actual power in the movement itself, or whether the cranks get access to a wider audience as an attempt to discredit the movement itself.

I suspect strongly that any published platform would have had to be written to placate the louder parts of the movement though.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Do either of the major tea party groups have a published platform? I'd love to read it. The problem I have with many of the tea party members is their leaning toward social conservatism. Sorry, but I don't get along with bible thumpers.

-TSO

Would you like to have a private link that would make those toxic morons melt?
This is not a five minute read it wll take you some time and require fact checking.
Open to anyone sick of bible thumping pigs, link Jent She needs this info.
Just send me a PM.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

I did a little google work on the topic and couldn't find anything. For them to be a legit movement, they better come up with something quick, especially if they have candidates run for them outside of the Republican Party.

-TSO

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

This thread will not be turned into a bible thread.
I will neg you if you require it.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

Why a private link? I would think they would be open and transparent. I mean that is what they are calling the current administration out on. Why don't they have it published online for all to read?

-TSO

 

[ItHappens]

In my opinion what detractors don't get about the Tea Party movement it is against Government as usual, no matter the party.
All incumbents are in danger.
The majority of the incumbents happen to be Democrats.
If newly elected Republicans don't change the system, they're screwed too.
Republican candidates happen to be embracing the movement because they're not the one's in power.
I believe Democrats would be doing the same and basically have...except there version is always dressed in tie dyed clothing, usually unwashed, and spewing anti-war rhetoric.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

Ok found this...

link

Tea Party Patriots

Mission Statement and Core Values

Mission Statement

The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.

Core Values

• Fiscal Responsibility

• Constitutionally Limited Government

• Free Markets

Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject it's citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.

Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.

Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.

Our Philosophy

Tea Party Patriots as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual.

-TSO

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Not as bad as I feared it would be. Most of it is quite reasonable.

I cringe whenever I read State's Rights in a document though. While I agree that the 10th Ammendment reserves certain powers to the State's, too often State's Rights is a code word for racists and dominionists. I'd be interesting in following up exactly what is meant by that plank so as to eliminate any ambiguity.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The problem is that the loudest members of the movement seem to be the cranks. .

That seems to be typical of most of these kinds of movement though, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Sherry]

Ok found this...

link

Tea Party Patriots

Mission Statement and Core Values

Mission Statement

The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.

Core Values

• Fiscal Responsibility

• Constitutionally Limited Government

• Free Markets

Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject it's citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.

Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states' rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.

Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government's interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.

Our Philosophy

Tea Party Patriots as an organization believes in the Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, and Free Markets. Tea Party Patriots, Inc. is a non-partisan grassroots organization of individuals united by our core values derived from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill Of Rights as explained in the Federalist Papers. We recognize and support the strength of grassroots organization powered by activism and civic responsibility at a local level. We hold that the United States is a republic conceived by its architects as a nation whose people were granted "unalienable rights" by our Creator. Chiefly among these are the rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Tea Party Patriots stand with our founders, as heirs to the republic, to claim our rights and duties which preserve their legacy and our own. We hold, as did the founders, that there exists an inherent benefit to our country when private property and prosperity are secured by natural law and the rights of the individual.

-TSO

Sounds good to me. I don't understand why some would back away from supporting these principles based on who else steps forward to support them. When this movement really started gaining ground last summer, it was overwhelmingly made up of rational individuals, and I believe it still is. Of course the media wanted to focus on the handful of kooks and their over the top signs. However, put into context of the size of the crowd, it is disingenuous to claim they are the real face behind the movement. I could see if people become convinced that they are the real representatives, then more and more might use that as an excuse to sit passively by instead of joining a cause that, just based on principles alone, is something they could support. So it could end up getting hijacked by a minority, which is why it is important for everyone who does support those principles to make sure that their voices keep speaking out loud and clear. I do think it is the goal of most in the media, and many on the left, to hope that people will be too intimidated to be a part of something that is held in such contempt, but it very well may backfire on those "agents of change", and a whole new sort of change is brewing.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Not as bad as I feared it would be. Most of it is quite reasonable.

I cringe whenever I read State's Rights in a document though. While I agree that the 10th Ammendment reserves certain powers to the State's, too often State's Rights is a code word for racists and dominionists. I'd be interesting in following up exactly what is meant by that plank so as to eliminate any ambiguity.

Really whats wrong with one state having a religion like massachusetts and another not ,like Utah?