Why fossil fuels keep winning and probably will keep winning....honesty from forbes...

[Old Rocks]

Exactly

But that will cost the same whether the new energy is fossil fuels, nuclear, or renewables. Renewables are far easier to build locally than fossil fuels or nuclear. And has a far shorter construction time.

Yes, our grid needs a major upgrade. Vulnerable to natural and manmade disasters, and inadequate for what's needed for new data centers. We can screw around and let Asia eat our lunch, or we can figure out how to do this. We built a new highway system decades ago because we needed it, we can build a new grid for the same reasons. We just need some people that are willing to say "Yes, we can" instead of sitting on their fat asses and moaning about how nothing is like it used to be.

 

[Old Rocks]

Something else I think climate activists don't really understand is the true depth and integration of our fossil fuel usage.

We will basically have to retrofit our entire society to stop using it. It's everywhere. We use it for everything. We use it to build the panels that collect sunlight.

We retrofitted our society to move from horses to railroads and automobiles. We retrofitted our society to make air travel a major component of transportation of people and goods. Yes, in the first auto plants, the parts were brought in by horse drawn wagons. Until they produced trucks that could do it cheaper. Already, we are seeing the same kind of transition in renewables. Like in the solar powered steel plant in Pueblo, Colorado.

 

[my2¢]

If I was 50 years younger, I would bet against both fossil and renewable fuels and lay my money on nuclear.

 

[San Souci]

It's all about the math..... Not feelings, not politics, not green merit badges.....just math.

The Renewable Illusion: Why Fossil Fuels Keep Winning

Global renewables hit records in 2024, but fossil fuel use still rises. Here’s why solar’s surge isn’t enough—and what the latest energy data really shows.

www.forbes.com

Easy--Fossil fuel produces Energy--Solar and Wind do not--

 

[irosie91]

Easy--Fossil fuel produces Energy--Solar and Wind do not--

some day we are going to find the recipe for BLACK GOLD

 

[San Souci]

some day we are going to find the recipe for BLACK GOLD

Synthetic Crude Oil?

 

[irosie91]

Synthetic Crude Oil?

of course-----POLYMERIZATION----like plastic----just shift O and H and C around

 

[Sparker]

Planning to use tech that still doesn't work after many decades of heavy investment is a plan to sit in a permanent blackout. Fossil fuels will be depleted until the energy used in extraction and refining becomes more than we get from the fuels, sometime later this century. Demand for more energy will slam into a wall of no more energy available. Supply is always first in supply and demand. A tiny sliver of the population is ready for that by choosing to use less energy now. Everyone else will face more sudden difficulty when using less energy stops being a choice.

 

[ding]

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

No such thing as a free lunch.

 

[hondo 50]

Even most libs know this, but they are despise reality that much.

 

[Dekster]

America is too big and unevenly populated to ever come up with a national green energy plan. States and local governments will have to do it piecemeal.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Maybe.....we need to continue going forward. It might even be something we can't comprehend today.

I wouldn't class wasting money and effort on a fool's errand as moving forward. The effort and money should be invested into nuclear fusion R&D.

 

[pknopp]

I wouldn't class wasting money and effort on a fool's errand as moving forward. The effort and money should be invested into nuclear fusion R&D.

Nobody is going to allow nuclear to be built near them.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Nobody is going to allow nuclear to be built near them.

Link?

 

[Captain Caveman]

pknopp

You made a claim, back it up -

Or did you forget to add, "IMO"

 

[Old Rocks]

It's all about the math..... Not feelings, not politics, not green merit badges.....just math.

The Renewable Illusion: Why Fossil Fuels Keep Winning

Global renewables hit records in 2024, but fossil fuel use still rises. Here’s why solar’s surge isn’t enough—and what the latest energy data really shows.

www.forbes.com

Ah yes, it will keep winning until we all lose.