Why "Fast and Furious" will become another Republican Debacle

[RespondsWithGif]

Oh thanks I posted this before I realized you had gotten it.

so the fact remains that there is inconclusive proof that the Fand F gun killed the agent.

Shut the **** up you racist unifromed piece of crap. You are so out of sorts that you must be a troll. You just have to be a troll because no one is this stupid.

 

[edthecynic]

Rdean has always manipulated the truth to make his point. The truth is stationary and can't be manipulated, once it is, isn't no longer the truth, but becomes a yarn.

But, everything in rdean's post is correct and factual.

If you believe differently, please post factual links.

Thank you.

No it isn't, once you figure out that it wasn't "Gunwalker" under Bush, you will see that it started out with 10 million dollars from the stimulus package for an operation called "Gunrunner". After April of 2009 they changed the name of it to "Fast and Furious". Anything else Dean claims after that is the yarn.

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’’) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

 

[buckeye45_73]

But, everything in rdean's post is correct and factual.

If you believe differently, please post factual links.

Thank you.

No it isn't, once you figure out that it wasn't "Gunwalker" under Bush, you will see that it started out with 10 million dollars from the stimulus package for an operation called "Gunrunner". After April of 2009 they changed the name of it to "Fast and Furious". Anything else Dean claims after that is the yarn.

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’’) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

 

[Annie]

No it isn't, once you figure out that it wasn't "Gunwalker" under Bush, you will see that it started out with 10 million dollars from the stimulus package for an operation called "Gunrunner". After April of 2009 they changed the name of it to "Fast and Furious". Anything else Dean claims after that is the yarn.

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’’) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

Indeed, since the Subpoenas cite which documents are needed, and have been ongoing, why hasn't the DOJ or I guess considering the executive privilege claim, the WH gone over each document?

 

[edthecynic]

No it isn't, once you figure out that it wasn't "Gunwalker" under Bush, you will see that it started out with 10 million dollars from the stimulus package for an operation called "Gunrunner". After April of 2009 they changed the name of it to "Fast and Furious". Anything else Dean claims after that is the yarn.

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of fiscal 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’&#8217 of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

Issa does not want any documents from 2008 and won't allow any documents from 2008.

 

[Annie]

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of fiscal 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’’) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

Issa does not want any documents from 2008 and won't allow any documents from 2008.

and that has what to do with Holder or the WH answering the Subpoenas? They can attempt to use the 'Bush did it too', though Holder retracted, but that doesn't wash away the Subpoenas that pertain to the period of time they have control of.

 

[buckeye45_73]

This thread will become another dean debacle. God how do you look at yourself in the mirror when you're wrong all the time. Atleast a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of fiscal 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’’) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

Issa does not want any documents from 2008 and won't allow any documents from 2008.

Won't allow? Tell me something, how is Issa preventing the DOJ from dumping documents on the committee? Is he standing guard in the DOJ document room and preventing them from accessing documents that are relevant to Bush instituting a program that killed American LEOs on American soil?

 

[edthecynic]

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

Issa does not want any documents from 2008 and won't allow any documents from 2008.

Won't allow? Tell me something, how is Issa preventing the DOJ from dumping documents on the committee? Is he standing guard in the DOJ document room and preventing them from accessing documents that are relevant to Bush instituting a program that killed American LEOs on American soil?

He simply ignores them and dumps them in the circular file.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Issa does not want any documents from 2008 and won't allow any documents from 2008.

Won't allow? Tell me something, how is Issa preventing the DOJ from dumping documents on the committee? Is he standing guard in the DOJ document room and preventing them from accessing documents that are relevant to Bush instituting a program that killed American LEOs on American soil?

He simply ignores them and dumps them in the circular file.

Are you aware that there are actually Democrats in Congress that would love to get their hands on proof that Bush did what you are saying Issa is ignoring? What is preventing Holder from giving them the files? Could it be that they don't actually exist, which is why he had to back down from his claim that Mukasey was briefed on the program? Could it be that that you still do not know what the word cynic means?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Republican Party has become the party of "Ah Ha". They think they have a new scheme. A new way to attack the president. To avoid responsibility. The problem with this current debacle is they struck "too soon".

If this had happened, say two weeks before the election, it might have had a chance to actually cause damage to the first African American Attorney General and the first African American President, but with this much time, people will learn the truth. And truth has proven to be the deadly enemy to this current Republican Party.

So forget the fact that Bush used Executive Privilege 6 times while Obama has used it this once. And what did Bush use it for? Things like protecting whoever outed a covert CIA agent, something people other than Republicans think of as "treason".

Forget the fact this program was "officially started" in 2006.

Forget the fact the agent killed wasn't killed with one of these guns.

Forget the fact Holder ordered this program stopped when he found out about it.

Just this simple one thing, when pointed out to thinking Americans, will prove this to be the scheme it is.

When an operation, such as this is put into effect, it takes years of planning. It's no accident is was started in 2006. You know something like this was going on for years. Because it takes years to train people. To make contacts. To put the operation in place. To acquire materials and knowledge. To gather intel. This entire operation began in an area of the country hostile to Obama with people who are Republicans to the core.

Holder didn't enter office with this huge operation already planned out and put in place on day one. It's ludicrous.

Look at the operation that took out Bin Laden after Republicans let him go and stopped looking for him. And it was a very small operation involving a limited number of people. And how long did they plan before the operation went into effect? How much training was involved? How much intel was acquired?

When the size and scope of "Operation Fast and Furious" is revealed and when it started and when Eric Holder took office, it will become apparent this is another attack on Obama by way of Holder. Now for these right wingers, it doesn't matter. They just don't care about truth. I believe my all time favorite post here was when some right winger said Iraq was Obama's fault. That we never should have invaded. This is the same kind of thing.

Forget the fact this program was "officially started" in 2006.

Fast and the Furious started in 2009, deany no matter how many time you say it started before that it will not change the date it was started 2009

Forget the fact the agent killed wasn't killed with one of these guns.

Two ak 47's were collected at the sense of the death of terry that were also used in the program fast and the furious, and he was killed by an AK47

Forget the fact Holder ordered this program stopped when he found out about it.

Fast and the furious was stopped after Terry was killed,
This thread is total bullshit.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The only "truth" in your un-sourced post is what I highlighted. Bush's "Project Gunrunner" was financed in 2008, well before Obama was president and any stimulus money existed, with $15 billion per year for 3 years. Of course CON$ pretend Bush was a six year president and was not responsible for anything beginning 2007.

Here is the part of the bill that set up the funding through the end of fiscal 2010, the year Terry was killed, voted for by Issa, BTW. That's right, Issa voted for the money that bought the gun that he says killed Brian Terry!!! Issa murdered Brian Terry!!!

42
HR 6028 RFS
(1) INGENERAL.—The Attorney General shall,
1
to the extent amounts are made available to carry
2
out this subsection pursuant to paragraph (4), use
3
such amounts for the Project Gunrunner initiative
4
(hereafter in this subsection referred to as the ‘‘ini-
5
tiative’’) of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Fire-
6
arms, and Explosives to expand the resources pro-
7
vided to identify, investigate, and prosecute individ-
8
uals involved in the trafficking of firearms across the
9
United States-Mexico border.
10
(2) ACTIVITIES.—In carrying out paragraph
11
(1), the Attorney General shall—
12
(A) assign additional agents of the Bureau
13
of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
14
to the area of the United States adjacent to the
15
United States-Mexico border to support the ex-
16
pansion of the initiative;
17
(B) establish not fewer than 1 initiative
18
team in each State along the United States-
19
Mexico border; and
20
(C) coordinate with the heads of other rel-
21
evant federal law enforcement agencies and
22
State and local law enforcement agencies to ad-
23
dress firearms trafficking in a comprehensive
24
manner.
25
43
(3) ADDITIONALSTAFF.—The Attorney General
1
may hire additional persons to be Bureau of Alcohol,
2
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives agents for, and
3
may use such other resources as may be necessary
4
to adequately support, the initiative.
5
(4) AUTHORIZATIONOFAPPROPRIATIONS.—To
6
carry out this subsection, there are authorized to be
7
appropriated to the Attorney General $15,000,000
8
for each of the fiscal years 2008 through 2010.
9

Well if they can "nail" the Bush administration, why did Holder recant his statement? And why not give those documents?

Issa does not want any documents from 2008 and won't allow any documents from 2008.

Dumb ass why would anyone want document that have nothing to do with Fast and the Furious? 2009 is not 2008

 

[Sallow]

Swallow says Obama and Holder are beyond the law in because of them being black and stuff.

LOL

Well.....let's be fair, and give equal credit to the ignorant, white-trash who started this whole thing:​

Mike Vanderboegh​

This basically..is where Issa got his marching orders. The new "online journalist" who's actually a crazed militia guy that urged people to break the windows of Democratic offices and people even more crazy then him..actually went out and broke them..including one's belonging to Gabby Giffords (A haunting view of things to come for that poor lady).

With a few exceptions..no one in this country thinks this is about getting to the "bottom" of what happened. We KNOW what happened. And it's been corrected.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This basically..is where Issa got his marching orders. The new "online journalist" who's actually a crazed militia guy that urged people to break the windows of Democratic offices and people even more crazy then him..actually went out and broke them..including one's belonging to Gabby Giffords (A haunting view of things to come for that poor lady).

With a few exceptions..no one in this country thinks this is about getting to the "bottom" of what happened. We KNOW what happened. And it's been corrected.

obama is going down
http://www.usmessageboard.com/5493600-post1.html


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L54gOgJxIRQ]Obama knew about Gun Walking in March, 2009 - YouTube[/ame]

Here's the cspan version if you have any questions

U.S.-Mexico Border Security Policy - C-SPAN Video Library

 

[LoneLaugher]

Big reb is very excited indeed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Big reb is very excited indeed.

Why start posting now you have a few unanswered post in other threads. move along short bus.

 

[daveman]

Basically that little number got iniated when Saddam was helped in power by the CIA.

And coddled, first by Reagan (who gave them weapons and egged on a war with Iran)..then by Bush I until Saddam invaded Kuwait..after asking Bush I for permission.

It's funny when you pretend to hold the moral high ground.

It's funny when you parade your revisionist history. Tell me, why is it exactly you think you're an intelligent and informed person? NOTE: "Because I'm a liberal!!" isn't a valid reason.

What revisionist history?

I betcha some time in the future..when Maliki does something we don't like..

You guys are going to deny he was an American installation as well.

I knew it. Your only reason is "Because I'm a liberal!!"

 

[daveman]

ATF didn't tell Bush OR Holder about this. It's like the GSA conference which went from $90k to 700k under Boooosh: INCREDIBLY INCOMPETENT, CORRUPT Pub government- out of control. And one hell of a huge BS Propaganda machine, a disgrace. Worst party and voters in the modern world...

The ATF along the border should be investigated- THIS is PURE PUBCRAPPE. Change the channel, Foxbot dupes (also any other part of the PPM-it's all the same GD thing, more or less)....

"My lord Obama can do no wrong."

Everything you know is Pubcrappe, dupe. One example, so I can crush your ignorant brainwashed view?
Thanks for the Depression, the stupidest wars ever, the paralysis since 2/2010- and now this ridiculous witch hunt.

You serve your masters well, and you will be rewarded.

Well, that's what they tell you. When your utility as a Useful Idiot is over, you'll be thrown under the bus.

 

[daveman]

"our number one priority is to make Obama a one termer."


you idiots showed your cards

This may come as a shock to you, but the opposition party has no obligation to rubber-stamp the wishes of the ruling party.

 

[daveman]

"By June 2010, suspects had purchased 1,608 firearms at a cost of over US$1 million at Phoenix-area gun shops."

And those are the ones they KNEW about and were watching! Brilliant Pub system we have. No wonder 40k+ Mexicans have been killed. Investigate THAT too. What a GD Pub mess this is, absolutely irrelevant to this problem, AND the crappe economy Pub paralysis has given us now. How 'bout passing the jobs act, fixing our crappe infrastructure voodoo has given us. Thanks to Pubs we're almost their dream banana republic...total a-holes...Pub dupes!! Everything you know is wrong, pure Pubcrappe.

Hey Frenchie, you do realize that those 1600+ guns were all purchased under Holder's Fast & Furious debacle, don't you? Didn't have a thing to do with "Pub dupes", dope!

I suppose the "suspects" were ATF agents? LOL Those gun shops are a Pub policy disgrace, chump- There are 2 stories here- Pub gun policies, and out of control gov't legacy from Bush- This ATFthat didn't tell the Bush OR Obama administration what they were doing- just like the GSA. You're a brainwashed Foxbot.

Why do you hate private ownership of weapons?