Why exactly are you unwilling to pay for other people's medical care?

[Conservative65]

Many of their parents made choices that produced the result.

So we're back to Numbers 14:18, right?

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

 

[Arianrhod]

Many of their parents made choices that produced the result.

So we're back to Numbers 14:18, right?

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

 

[Conservative65]

Many of their parents made choices that produced the result.

So we're back to Numbers 14:18, right?

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

 

[Arianrhod]

Many of their parents made choices that produced the result.

So we're back to Numbers 14:18, right?

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

Oddly, my bible doesn't continue the passage the way yours does. It says "Love your neighbor as yourself." There's no conditional "...unless he screws up, and then you can ignore his kids, too."

Must be the New Revised Version for American Conservatives. Is it available for Kindle?

 

[Conservative65]

Many of their parents made choices that produced the result.

So we're back to Numbers 14:18, right?

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

Oddly, my bible doesn't continue the passage the way yours does. It says "Love your neighbor as yourself." There's no conditional "...unless he screws up, and then you can ignore his kids, too."

Must be the New Revised Version for American Conservatives. Is it available for Kindle?

I didn't continue it. Seems you think loving your neighbor means paying to offset the results of his bad choices. Sometimes love is tough love much like Jesus did with the money changers in the Temple.

 

[Arianrhod]

So we're back to Numbers 14:18, right?

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

Oddly, my bible doesn't continue the passage the way yours does. It says "Love your neighbor as yourself." There's no conditional "...unless he screws up, and then you can ignore his kids, too."

Must be the New Revised Version for American Conservatives. Is it available for Kindle?

I didn't continue it. Seems you think loving your neighbor means paying to offset the results of his bad choices. Sometimes love is tough love much like Jesus did with the money changers in the Temple.

Looks like someone misunderstood him when he said "Suffer the little children to come unto me." The revised version (no doubt part of a socialist conspiracy) replaces "suffer" with "let."

You might want to keep current.

 

[Conservative65]

What you're back to is incorrectly thinking that those of us totally unassociated with the situation hold more of a responsibility for the results than those close to it.

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

Oddly, my bible doesn't continue the passage the way yours does. It says "Love your neighbor as yourself." There's no conditional "...unless he screws up, and then you can ignore his kids, too."

Must be the New Revised Version for American Conservatives. Is it available for Kindle?

I didn't continue it. Seems you think loving your neighbor means paying to offset the results of his bad choices. Sometimes love is tough love much like Jesus did with the money changers in the Temple.

Looks like someone misunderstood him when he said "Suffer the little children to come unto me." The revised version (no doubt part of a socialist conspiracy) replaces "suffer" with "let."

You might want to keep current.

You might want to use that in context. That has nothing to do with one person having the responsibility to financially help another. It deals with the mindset people should have when coming to Christ, one of a carefree, little child.

 

[Arianrhod]

Never said "more." Just a little Matthew 22:40 and some Galatians 5:14.

You won't even bother referring to them, because you won't like what they tell you.

So you're on record - multiple times - in saying "Not my problem; let someone else take care of it." But you're still posting in this thread. Got anything original to say?

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

Oddly, my bible doesn't continue the passage the way yours does. It says "Love your neighbor as yourself." There's no conditional "...unless he screws up, and then you can ignore his kids, too."

Must be the New Revised Version for American Conservatives. Is it available for Kindle?

I didn't continue it. Seems you think loving your neighbor means paying to offset the results of his bad choices. Sometimes love is tough love much like Jesus did with the money changers in the Temple.

Looks like someone misunderstood him when he said "Suffer the little children to come unto me." The revised version (no doubt part of a socialist conspiracy) replaces "suffer" with "let."

You might want to keep current.

You might want to use that in context. That has nothing to do with one person having the responsibility to financially help another. It deals with the mindset people should have when coming to Christ, one of a carefree, little child.

No, I understand what it means. You, on the other hand, want to walk away from "the whole of the law." Fine. Now say it a few more times.

 

[Conservative65]

That you said at all is the problem.

You're on record, multiple times, claiming someone that didn't cause the problem is as responsible as those who did. Got anything other than bleeding heart rhetoric.

Your problem is that you misinterpret loving your neighbors means anytime your neighbor screws up you should be financially willing to do with less for something that wasn't your fault. Sometimes loving your neighbor means letting your neighbor learn from his/her mistakes.

Oddly, my bible doesn't continue the passage the way yours does. It says "Love your neighbor as yourself." There's no conditional "...unless he screws up, and then you can ignore his kids, too."

Must be the New Revised Version for American Conservatives. Is it available for Kindle?

I didn't continue it. Seems you think loving your neighbor means paying to offset the results of his bad choices. Sometimes love is tough love much like Jesus did with the money changers in the Temple.

Looks like someone misunderstood him when he said "Suffer the little children to come unto me." The revised version (no doubt part of a socialist conspiracy) replaces "suffer" with "let."

You might want to keep current.

You might want to use that in context. That has nothing to do with one person having the responsibility to financially help another. It deals with the mindset people should have when coming to Christ, one of a carefree, little child.

No, I understand what it means. You, on the other hand, want to walk away from "the whole of the law." Fine. Now say it a few more times.

If you did, you would't have misused the passage.

I love my neighbors but that doesn't mean I'm going to pay the price financially for their screw ups. That's what you expect.

I predict you'll keep misusing God's word and claiming you don't.

 

[westwall]

Right now there is someone who requires immediate medical care. That care will only be provided for payment. That someone has no money to pay it. You do. Are you not morally obligated to ensure that they receive the care they need?

You ignore the fact that if I pay for your medical care I then expose my family to financial ruin because I was forced to pay for you.

Are you not morally obligated to take care of yourself once you reach adulthood? or, do you ascribe to the slave/master paradigm where you owe your existence to the almighty government and so long as you have value your government takes care of you but the second you no longer have value they can discard you?

 

[Flopper]

Typical blame the other guy mentality.

I'm not blaming "the other guy." I'm blaming the guy responsible. Right now that would be you, Marie Antoinette.

You blamed what happened in the past as to why things are the way they are today. MOST people are where they are due to choices they made not because someone took advantage of them or caused their situation. Put the blame where it belongs on those that made bad choices.

Because people choose to be born into poverty, attend bad schools, live in areas where the jobs either don't exist or were sent to China. Numbers 14:18, huh?

If you're a convicted criminal and now can't find a job, that's no one's fault but your own. If you quit high school and now can't find a job making more than minimum wage, that's no one's fault but your own. As long as you dumbasses are willing to give excuses to people for the bad results of choices they made, don't be shocked if they don't improve themselves. They have no need to do so because you'll find an excuse for them.

And if you're a child whose parent is serving time, don't be shocked if smug people who have no such experience dismiss you as trash. They don't have time to examine your situation more closely - they're on their way to church. Luke 18:11.

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

 

[Arianrhod]

I love my neighbors but that doesn't mean I'm going to pay the price financially for their screw ups.

So you've said. Now you've said it again. And you conveniently leave out the part where you think it's cool for your neighbors' children to suffer for their parents' actions.

BTW, do you have any actual statistics on the percentage of people who are poor because of personal "screwups" vs. external factors? Love to see those.

 

[Arianrhod]

Typical blame the other guy mentality.

I'm not blaming "the other guy." I'm blaming the guy responsible. Right now that would be you, Marie Antoinette.

You blamed what happened in the past as to why things are the way they are today. MOST people are where they are due to choices they made not because someone took advantage of them or caused their situation. Put the blame where it belongs on those that made bad choices.

Because people choose to be born into poverty, attend bad schools, live in areas where the jobs either don't exist or were sent to China. Numbers 14:18, huh?

If you're a convicted criminal and now can't find a job, that's no one's fault but your own. If you quit high school and now can't find a job making more than minimum wage, that's no one's fault but your own. As long as you dumbasses are willing to give excuses to people for the bad results of choices they made, don't be shocked if they don't improve themselves. They have no need to do so because you'll find an excuse for them.

And if you're a child whose parent is serving time, don't be shocked if smug people who have no such experience dismiss you as trash. They don't have time to examine your situation more closely - they're on their way to church. Luke 18:11.

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

It's amusing how many self-styled "conservatives" have no sense of anything other than "Me, me, me...today, now, what I want." Until they're trying to prove that "Obozocare is full of fail...or will be in 2016 or 2020 or..."

They're so funny...

 

[westwall]

Typical blame the other guy mentality.

I'm not blaming "the other guy." I'm blaming the guy responsible. Right now that would be you, Marie Antoinette.

You blamed what happened in the past as to why things are the way they are today. MOST people are where they are due to choices they made not because someone took advantage of them or caused their situation. Put the blame where it belongs on those that made bad choices.

Because people choose to be born into poverty, attend bad schools, live in areas where the jobs either don't exist or were sent to China. Numbers 14:18, huh?

If you're a convicted criminal and now can't find a job, that's no one's fault but your own. If you quit high school and now can't find a job making more than minimum wage, that's no one's fault but your own. As long as you dumbasses are willing to give excuses to people for the bad results of choices they made, don't be shocked if they don't improve themselves. They have no need to do so because you'll find an excuse for them.

And if you're a child whose parent is serving time, don't be shocked if smug people who have no such experience dismiss you as trash. They don't have time to examine your situation more closely - they're on their way to church. Luke 18:11.

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

Poverty and bad laws. We have spent well over 5 trillion dollars on the "war on poverty". How has that worked out for us? What has been the net effect on the amount of people still in poverty since the war was started?

 

[westwall]

I'm not blaming "the other guy." I'm blaming the guy responsible. Right now that would be you, Marie Antoinette.

You blamed what happened in the past as to why things are the way they are today. MOST people are where they are due to choices they made not because someone took advantage of them or caused their situation. Put the blame where it belongs on those that made bad choices.

Because people choose to be born into poverty, attend bad schools, live in areas where the jobs either don't exist or were sent to China. Numbers 14:18, huh?

If you're a convicted criminal and now can't find a job, that's no one's fault but your own. If you quit high school and now can't find a job making more than minimum wage, that's no one's fault but your own. As long as you dumbasses are willing to give excuses to people for the bad results of choices they made, don't be shocked if they don't improve themselves. They have no need to do so because you'll find an excuse for them.

And if you're a child whose parent is serving time, don't be shocked if smug people who have no such experience dismiss you as trash. They don't have time to examine your situation more closely - they're on their way to church. Luke 18:11.

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

It's amusing how many self-styled "conservatives" have no sense of anything other than "Me, me, me...today, now, what I want." Until they're trying to prove that "Obozocare is full of fail...or will be in 2016 or 2020 or..."

They're so funny...

What's equally funny is the number of progressives who seem to still be infants and incapable of fending for themselves. Tell me. When do you people grow up and become adults?

Ever?

 

[Arianrhod]

You blamed what happened in the past as to why things are the way they are today. MOST people are where they are due to choices they made not because someone took advantage of them or caused their situation. Put the blame where it belongs on those that made bad choices.

Because people choose to be born into poverty, attend bad schools, live in areas where the jobs either don't exist or were sent to China. Numbers 14:18, huh?

If you're a convicted criminal and now can't find a job, that's no one's fault but your own. If you quit high school and now can't find a job making more than minimum wage, that's no one's fault but your own. As long as you dumbasses are willing to give excuses to people for the bad results of choices they made, don't be shocked if they don't improve themselves. They have no need to do so because you'll find an excuse for them.

And if you're a child whose parent is serving time, don't be shocked if smug people who have no such experience dismiss you as trash. They don't have time to examine your situation more closely - they're on their way to church. Luke 18:11.

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

It's amusing how many self-styled "conservatives" have no sense of anything other than "Me, me, me...today, now, what I want." Until they're trying to prove that "Obozocare is full of fail...or will be in 2016 or 2020 or..."

They're so funny...

What's equally funny is the number of progressives who seem to still be infants and incapable of fending for themselves. Tell me. When do you people grow up and become adults?

Ever?

Evidence, please? Or is this just Trolling by Staff?

 

[westwall]

Because people choose to be born into poverty, attend bad schools, live in areas where the jobs either don't exist or were sent to China. Numbers 14:18, huh?

And if you're a child whose parent is serving time, don't be shocked if smug people who have no such experience dismiss you as trash. They don't have time to examine your situation more closely - they're on their way to church. Luke 18:11.

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

It's amusing how many self-styled "conservatives" have no sense of anything other than "Me, me, me...today, now, what I want." Until they're trying to prove that "Obozocare is full of fail...or will be in 2016 or 2020 or..."

They're so funny...

What's equally funny is the number of progressives who seem to still be infants and incapable of fending for themselves. Tell me. When do you people grow up and become adults?

Ever?

Evidence, please? Or is this just Trolling by Staff?

Evidence of what? The fact that all of you behave like little birds in the nest squawking "me, me, me, me"

 

[LOki]

You know,...

Just because folks are against the government providing goods and services to those in need, it simply does not follow that those same folks are against providing goods and services to those in need.

Just saying.

 

[Arianrhod]

No people made choices that caused them to be in poverty and now want to blame someone else for the results or expect someone else to pay for it. Are you saying everyone that quit high school went to a bad school?

I don't need to examine it more closely. The parent made the choice to commit the crime that sent them to prison and you expect the rest of us to pay for their choice. In doing so, it takes away what I'VE earned that goes to my kids. Why should mine do with less because I am expected to pay more taxes because of what some other parent did? What you're saying is that when people make bad choices the rest of us should be willing and overjoyed to pay for it.

You're going to pay in one way or the other. Poverty is the mother of crime, disease, and insurrection. Social services that help people get out of poverty are a good investment.

It's amusing how many self-styled "conservatives" have no sense of anything other than "Me, me, me...today, now, what I want." Until they're trying to prove that "Obozocare is full of fail...or will be in 2016 or 2020 or..."

They're so funny...

What's equally funny is the number of progressives who seem to still be infants and incapable of fending for themselves. Tell me. When do you people grow up and become adults?

Ever?

Evidence, please? Or is this just Trolling by Staff?

Evidence of what? The fact that all of you behave like little birds in the nest squawking "me, me, me, me"

You're confusing me with Conservative65. I'm not the one dismissing anyone else's needs but my own.

Or is this the part where you misuse the word "progressive" to fit Conservative65's definition of "leeches"? Because you'd be mistaken there, too.

 

[Arianrhod]

You know,...

Just because folks are against the government providing goods and services to those in need, it simply does not follow that those same folks are against providing goods and services to those in need.

Just saying.

Some of you do. Some of you don't. Just as those of us who understand the purpose of safety nets do as well.

Then there's the concept of the so-called "entitlements." Why shouldn't people who have contributed to FICA all their working lives, for example, get Social Security benefits when they retire?