Zone1 Why dont Jews believe Jesus is their messiah?

[theHawk]

They have six main prophecies they us to determine the Messiah.
Basic knowledge

Should be easy for you to post the texts then.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[ding]

I'm pro jew but deny the abrahamic god? Lol I stopped reading after that

Jews committed genocides, right? All by themselves. That's what you believe but are too chicken shit to say it out loud. I'm done with you now.

 

[TNHarley]

Jews committed genocides, right? All by themselves. That's what you believe but are too chicken shit to say it out loud. I'm done with you now.

Directed by your God, yes.

 

[ding]

Directed by your God, yes.

But you don't believe that God exists so you don't believe it was directed by God.

Just like you believe it's a fairytale that God carved out Israel and there is no God given right to those lands.

Also something you are too much of a coward to say but MUST believe.

 

[ding]

The Messianic age never came.
Christians like to say that he will do it in his return, but the messiah is supposed to human. Humans dont die, come back to life then ascend into the sky. Nor do they descend from the sky thousands of years later.
The tanach teaches that all prophecies must be filled before one is the messiah. Such as being in the tribe of judah. Jesus didnt have a human father, so how could that work? No temple. No worldwide peace. No universal knowledge of god.
Jesus supposedly did miraculous things according to the bible, but not one thing he did is recognized by the NoI for being the messiah.
So how was he the messiah? Did the jews get their own prophecies wrong?

Why do you even care? You don't believe in the God of Abraham. You've admitted that enough times, right?

So how can you even ask that question when the answer only makes sense if you believe the God of Abraham exists, right?

No God of Abraham, no messiah of any kind, right? It's like you arguing you believe in red unobtainium instead of blue unobtainium when you don't believe in any unobtainium. It's moronic. Are you a moron?

 

[TNHarley]

But you don't believe that God exists so you don't believe it was directed by God.

Just like you believe it's a fairytale that God carved out Israel and there is no God given right to those lands.

Also something you are too much of a coward to say but MUST believe.

No it was humans. Just like it was with the crusades. How it was with the Muslims.
You religious freaks kill hundreds of millions because of delusion.

 

[fncceo]

Why dont Jews believe Jesus is their messiah?​

Why is so important to you that they do?

Buddhists don't believe it either but you leave them alone.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Why is so important to you that they do?

Buddhists don't believe it either but you leave them alone.

Hey, he's on your side. He probably hates Christians more than you

Missionaries Have Gone to Thailand for 200 Years. Why Aren’t There More Christians? - Christianity Today

The Buddhist nation hosts many Christian conferences, but the faith hasn’t taken root. Five local church leaders discuss why.

www.christianitytoday.com

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Buddhists don't believe it either but you leave them alone

Probably because there are no outspoken Buddhists debating the topic on this messageboard

 

[irosie91]

"Thought to be ..."
The author QUOTED PETER.

Luke traveled with Paul (Saul). He was a contemporary of the apostles

The point is, we were "debating" whether Peter's vision "voided" God's COMMAND not to eat unclean meats.

CATHOLICS and PROTESTANTS use Peter's vision to justify eating pork.

The POINT IS, that is not the interpretation of Peter's vision.

But the FACT is, Peter was vegan and ate no meat. It is written that his diet was bread, olives and vegetables

really? I did not know----where Peter's menu written?

^^ someone is triggered.

Paul must really upset you, a Jew that persecuted Christians then converted and became the Bible’s most prolific writer and concerted so many “gentiles”.

Paul does not bother me----he was a Greek. He knew his own
people and knew that people don't give up their fave foods in order to join his cult

Probably because there are no outspoken Buddhists debating the topic on this messageboard

Christians don't have a history of attacking Buddhists. An interesting and even SURPRISING fact is that Hindus consider themselves Under attack by Buddhists in Sri Lanka----and resent them in parts of India-----see TAMIL TIGERS

 

[ding]

No it was humans. Just like it was with the crusades. How it was with the Muslims.
You religious freaks kill hundreds of millions because of delusion.

You mean Jewish folks committed genocide and said God told them to do it, right? That's what you believe, right?

So why are you always trying to make it about God instead of the Jews, TN?

 

[BreezeWood]

mary magdelena too? how cozy----a MENAGE A' TROIS.
very Greek

yes, the murderer and liar moses did not scar mary m, the heavenly exemplars to make them fear each other or live in servitude and denial using phony commandments et al - judaism ... stone throwers.

91's wall placard keeps those people together to ridicule and persecute the innocent - mary m.

 

[irosie91]

yes, the murderer and liar moses did not scar mary m, the heavenly exemplars to make them fear each other or live in servitude and denial using phony commandments et al - judaism ... stone throwers.

91's wall placard keeps those people together to ridicule and persecute the innocent - mary m.

I am delighted that magdelena SURVIVED
the burden of "the law"

 

[OneIsTheWord]

because of Judaism the Law of Mosaic Law of Moses Matthew 23: 4; Romans6: 23

​

 

[BreezeWood]

I am delighted that magdelena SURVIVED
the burden of "the law"

mary m was at the cross as jesus died - neither feared judaism and both became the victims of criminals and liars, persecutors of the innocent - all three desert religions.

 

[BreezeWood]

Buddhists don't believe it either but you leave them alone.

they did not murder jesus ... their message of liberation theology, self determination than phony commandments of servitude and denial - what made the jews stone throwing crazy.

 

[AsherN]

I have a question that I truly do not mean to be offensive, but rather is puzzling and bewildering to me. In Judaism, if a prophecy is not fulfilled in a certain/reasonable amount of time, it was considered to be a false/mistaken prophecy. The Jewish prophecy of a human, earthly king was made over 2,500 years ago. Daniel's prophecy of this king was 70 weeks, also calculated as 483 or 490 years. Daniel lived about a half-century before our current dating system, a time when Jews were clearly expecting the Messiah. They were even pointing out that Herod's rebuilding of the second temple (making it the third temple) was a sign.

Again, I have no wish to put you (especially)--or anyone of the Jewish faith--on the spot. It's just something I keep wondering about.

Prophets in Tanach are not long term predictors of future events. They were closer to what we now called pundits. They railed against current practices, warning of consequences. Much of the language uses similes. Isaiah uses a lot of parent-Child imageries. There is no timeline on the messiah. But there are conditions on what a person needs to do to be messiah. And Jesus did none of them. First one being a MAN born of a man and woman and of the line of David. The line being patrilineal. Then thre's the other little ones, like world peace, etc...

 

[AsherN]

Probably because there are no outspoken Buddhists debating the topic on this messageboard

Have you ever noticed that we debate it when attacked? It's always in response of someone starting a "why don't Jews believe..."

 

[hobelim]

So how was he the messiah?

At the time of Jesus up to this day, some Jewish messianic expectations were and are as irrational as Christians expectations for the second coming of Christ have been from the start to this day.

Thats being said there has never been and never will be a man that was God or became God either before during of after their human existence. What Christians have been trying to peddle ever since 325 CE is the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus that never existed and rejecting all those blasphemous Roman perversions of the WORDS of Jesus is a religious duty.

Did the jews get their own prophecies wrong?

As hard as it may be for you to believe, perhaps even harder than it is for Christians to believe that God never wore diapers, The expectation for the messiah to lead people to the sanctuary of God was never about building a temple. 'The Sanctuary of God', like Divine providence, cannot be made by human hands. It is not something to make, it is something achieved only by complying with Divine Law and Jesus taught and demonstrated the only right way to comply with the Divine commands that fulfills the promise of God for abundant blessings and eternal life here and now on earth dwelling within 'the sanctuary of God' to anyone who accepts that teaching and acts on it. Now. Not after judgment day derp and not in some far off distant future or at the end of time itself

Thats as nutty as believing spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food or that God gives a shit about whats for dinner or wants people on their hands and knees 5 x's a day

INSANE