Why doesn’t gun control work in Sweden?

[HikerGuy83]

Does Sweden translate to Chicago in some language ?

 

[HikerGuy83]

You posted the "wall of text" that you know nobody here is gonna read.

How about some cliffnotes?

I read it.

 

[Blaster]

Gun control doesn’t work anywhere…some countries simply have low crime rates because their populations don’t engage in crime……then, they import violent criminals, and all of a sudden, they have violent gun crime despite their gun control laws…..

Sweden…..

Are fully automatic military rifles banned in Sweden?
Are hand grenades banned in Sweden?

If so, the immigrant drug gangs don’t seem to know it…..

On october 15th thousands of followers of 5iftyy, a Swedish rapper, tuned into his Instagram channel for what he said would be an important livestream. They found themselves watching a bearded man brandish a gold-plated ak-47 while hurling insults at rival gang members, backed by three rifle-toting thugs in balaclavas. The man with the golden gun was Mustafa “Benzema” Aljiburi, a leading member of a Swedish narcotics network known as Foxtrot. Mr Aljiburi is believed to be living in Iraq. He staged the appearance to dispel rumours of his death and to threaten various enemies, including a Swedish prosecutor.

The livestream looked ridiculous, but the threats were serious. For years Sweden has suffered from high rates of gang-related violence, but for the past two years it has been relentless. In the first ten months of the year there were 324 shootings in Sweden, 48 of them fatal.

The rate of gun crime is several times higher than that in neighbouring countries. Gangs have taken to attacking the homes of rivals with hand grenades and dynamite; there have been 139 explosions this year.


The government is frantically toughening laws and raising its law-enforcement budget, but it is behind the curve. “We should have seen this coming and taken these measures at least ten years ago,” says Daniel Bergstrom, an adviser to Sweden’s justice minister.

Sweden is suffering a grim wave of gang violence

The country has Scandinavia’s highest rate of shootings and bombings

www.economist.com

Controlling guns or drugs is an exercise in futility.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Controlling guns or drugs is an exercise in futility.

Hanging might not deter crime, except for the guy at the end of the rope.

They might want to consider it.

 

[Crepitus]

I read it.

I have my doubts.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I have my doubts.

And you have zero credibility.

 

[Crepitus]

And you have zero credibility.

That's nice, kid.

 

[postman]

it isn't guns, or normal people who own guns who are the problem, which is what dumb asses like you do not care to understand.

What you don't understand is that people can't commit gun crimes, if they can't get a gun. Yes there is a black market, but most of those guns came from law abiding gun owners.

“Statistics show that those individuals committing what is known as ‘street crimes’ are typically doing so by utilizing weapons that have been initially stolen and may have further traded hands in the black market.”

Where do criminals really get their guns?

Mass shootings all too routinely hit the headlines across the United States. But what rarely makes a blip on the news cycle are the individual acts of gun violence that permeate the social fabric – with almost 500,000 violent crimes committed with a gun annually, according to the National...

www.fox10phoenix.com

By forcing "responsible" gun owners, to actually be responsible, and lock up their weapons, so they don't fall into the wrong hands.

 

[Bell Huey]

What you don't understand is that people can't commit gun crimes, if they can't get a gun. Yes there is a black market, but most of those guns came from law abiding gun owners.

“Statistics show that those individuals committing what is known as ‘street crimes’ are typically doing so by utilizing weapons that have been initially stolen and may have further traded hands in the black market.”

Where do criminals really get their guns?

Mass shootings all too routinely hit the headlines across the United States. But what rarely makes a blip on the news cycle are the individual acts of gun violence that permeate the social fabric – with almost 500,000 violent crimes committed with a gun annually, according to the National...

www.fox10phoenix.com

By forcing "responsible" gun owners, to actually be responsible, and lock up their weapons, so they don't fall into the wrong hands.

It seems that the majority of the lefts agenda is forcing law abiding people to do something.

 

[The Duke]

So laws against murder are good, even though 99% of people would never commit murder anyway. Are the rights of those 99% infringed because they are not allowed to commit murder?


How do we ensure only normal people own guns?

By publicly hanging violent robbers, murderers, pedos, and rapists within a short time after a guilty verdict.

If they shot or hit somebody during the commission of a crime, they die.

 

[postman]

It seems that the majority of the lefts agenda is forcing law abiding people to do something.

F*ck*n' "A"
Most of the guns that end up in bad guys hands are because one of those "law abiding" citizens, didn't lock up his guns. And some of them have so many of them, to a burglar, it looks like Christmas.

 

[Bell Huey]

F*ck*n' "A"
Most of the guns that end up in bad guys hands are because one of those "law abiding" citizens, didn't lock up his guns. And some of them have so many of them, to a burglar, it looks like Christmas.

No, there are three common methods. Straw purchases, sales thru private sellers that do not have a back ground check, and theft.

Frequently Asked Questions About Gun Trafficking

U.S. firearms are trafficked with alarming frequency, increasing violence in the United States and across international borders.

www.americanprogress.org

 

[postman]

By publicly hanging violent robbers, murderers, pedos, and rapists within a short time after a guilty verdict.

Like the Central Park Five?

Yusef Salaam, who as a child was part of a group of teenagers wrongly accused, convicted and imprisoned for the rape of a woman jogging in New York’s Central Park, has declared victory in a Democratic primary for a city council seat in New York

Not only was he convicted, but Trump called for the death penalty.

Less than two weeks after the attack on Meili, Trump took out a full-page ad in four New York City newspapers with the headline: "BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!"

Fortunately they didn't execute them.

Raymond Santana, Kevin Richardson, Antron McCray, Yusef Salaam and Korey Wise were all boys when they were convicted of raping Trisha Meili. They were then found innocent of the crime after convicted murder Matias Reyes in 2002 confessed to raping Meili, which was confirmed by DNA evidence.

Oops.....

 

[postman]

No, there are three common methods. Straw purchases, sales thru private sellers that do not have a back ground check, and theft.

You realize that in straw purchases "law abiding gun owners" buy a gun for somebody not eligible to. buy one STRIKE ONE GUN OWNER

Private sellers (no background check) again "law abiding gun owners" selling a guy to somebody not eligible to buy one. STRIKE TWO GUN OWNER

Theft, already covered STRIKE THREE GUN OWNER

It looks like the solutions all involves the "law abiding" gun owner.

 

[Bell Huey]

You realize that in straw purchases "law abiding gun owners" buy a gun for somebody not eligible to. buy one STRIKE ONE GUN OWNER

Private sellers (no background check) again "law abiding gun owners" selling a guy to somebody not eligible to buy one. STRIKE TWO GUN OWNER

Theft, already covered STRIKE THREE GUN OWNER

It looks like the solutions all involves the "law abiding" gun owner.

You realize if they are doing a straw purchase they are not law abiding.

Youneed to figure out what a law abiding citizen is. Your out.

 

[postman]

You realize if they are doing a straw purchase they are not law abiding.

They are "law abiding" until they get caught.
So to get guns out of criminals hands, the recourse is to make the "law abiding" gun owner, actually obey the law.

 

[Bell Huey]

They are "law abiding" until they get caught.
So to get guns out of criminals hands, the recourse is to make the "law abiding" gun owner, actually obey the law.

Keep spinning, gene.

 

[alang1216]

No one has a right to commit murder but everyone has a right to own firearms.

You can't see the difference can you?

No, since the answer to each is: sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

[alang1216]

Yes...I know you are an anti-gun extremist......and will act like a doofus to try to make a dumb point.

What you want as it pertains to guns are laws that prevent crimes with guns.....well, you want to ban and confiscate them.

Laws against murder do not stop murder......you want to use laws against guns to keep people from buying, owning and carrying them, making the laws so difficult to obey, that people will decide not to own, buy or carry guns....while criminals, who ignore the laws anyway, will continue to own and carry guns illegally.

The laws you want will punish the normal gun owner, who has a life, a job, a family, and who will suffer legal peril for the mere act of possession of a gun....those are the laws you want.

The laws we have right now allow us to arrest and imprison people who use guns illegally......you want preemptive gun laws, legal red tape, fines, fees and taxes that ensares normal gun owners for process crimes...so that you can punish them, destroy their lives, and take away their gun Rights forever...hence your desire for licensing, background checks for private sales, (which do nothing against criminals, but will allow you another avenue to persecute normal gun owners), Red Flag laws....all laws that do nothing to stop criminals, but put normal gun owners in tremendous legal peril if they fail to jump through the right hoops....

I asked "How do we ensure only normal people own guns?" and you said you're not interested in preventing gun deaths. Got it.

 

[postman]

No one has a right to commit murder but everyone has a right to own firearms.


You can't see the difference can you?

It's kind alike, everybody having the right to own a car, whether they know how to drive or not.