Zone1 Why doesn't god just kill satan

[hobelim]

You are on a mission to subordinate Christianity and that makes you a religious nutjob.

Of course!

Anyone who would bother to point out to you that a person cannot receive spiritual life from a lifeless piece of bread made by human hands must be a nutjob trying to subordinate Christianity with the irrefutable truth. Ugh.

Is that bad?

You don't find that believing that Jesus took the fall for you to pay the penalty for your sins quite reprehensible?

No? What a guy!

I'm sure that Jesus is very impressed by your deep and abiding love for him every time you celebrate his death.

I am.

 

[toobfreak]

That's a point that has always astonished me, the fact that some people believe that Satan and God are somehow equal adversaries

I've never known anyone who thought that Satan and God were both co-equal.

 

[hobelim]

I've never known anyone who thought that Satan and God were both co-equal.

consider yourself lucky. There are people out there who think that Satan and God are in some sort of never-ending standoff and the joke is on humans which makes perfect sense as long as you don't think about it.

 

[alang1216]

And you believe this is an example of religious people blaming Satan for what they have done?

I do. Would Eve have eaten the apple if not for Satan?

 

[hobelim]

I do. Would Eve have eaten the apple if not for Satan?

The thing is she already knew the truth and swallowed the bullshit anyway. See what that's done to republicans.

No one can say "the devil made me do it".

 

[Z99]

I do. Would Eve have eaten the apple if not for Satan?

Satan was just following orders.

 

[toobfreak]

I do. Would Eve have eaten the apple if not for Satan?

Eve was a Klepper. She kept stealing the apples and selling them down the road to Cain, Abel and Seth at a 50% mark-up.

 

[BULLDOG]

It could also be described that evil is the absence of Good.

It could be described in lot of ways, but most of those ways jut don't make sense.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why would God destroy anything he created if what he created was good? You'd have a better argument against God if he destroyed what he created. Because then you could argue that God was fallible.

Didn't you ever watch the movie Dogma? That was the central premise of the movie. That if God were ever wrong about anything, then everything would end.

So what happened when he destroyed everybody but Noah and his family?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.​

Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord​

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life​

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life​

All of the above Scriptures say that not everyone will have LIFE.

If you don't have life, you have DEATH. Eternal life is a GIFT.

That means you DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE without that GIFT

 

[Meriweather]

It could be described in lot of ways, but most of those ways jut don't make sense.

Do you have a specific example? I am thinking of, when coming upon evil, is there something we can do to bring good out of it.

 

[ding]

Does it? Are you sure there cannot be infinite space and time yet limits on when our universe existed? Because, you'd be wrong. Also, consider this, even with finite space and time, you could never fly to the edge of the universe nor travel back to its beginning, because you are IN space/time--- nothing in space/time can measure outside the framework of space/time.

Yes, I think infinite space time does imply an infinite universe (i.e. infinite space) and infinite time. Which can only be the case for if the universe is eternal into the past which implies it had no beginning or an end.

Curvature of space does not imply infinite spacetime. It implies that space is warped or curved.

 

[ding]

That is easy. But you are falling into the trap of thinking of the universe as if it were a big saucer of earth on the backs of four elephants like our ancestors did. Our universe is nothing more than a transitory bubble within a pot of boiling stew, surrounded by an infinite number of other universes boiling away. The CMB only relates to ours, and the red shift is merely the expansion of the space/time framework--- we cannot be truly sure whether the universe itself is actually growing bigger or whether it is just our perception of the space/time framework changing because to know for sure, we would have to step outside space/time.

What do you believe produced the CMB?

 

[ding]

But you are falling into the trap of thinking of the universe as if it were a big saucer of earth on the backs of four elephants like our ancestors did.

Not really. I understand that the universe was created from a quantum tunneling event which produced a nearly equal number of matter and anti-matter particles through paired particle production. Do you know what that ratio is and how they determined that?

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, I think infinite space time does imply an infinite universe (i.e. infinite space) and infinite time. Which can only be the case for if the universe is eternal into the past which implies it had no beginning or an end.

No. The universe can be finite and limited from without yet appear timeless and unlimited from within.

Curvature of space does not imply infinite spacetime. It implies that space is warped or curved.

All depends like I said earlier on your frame of reference.

 

[toobfreak]

What do you believe produced the CMB?

The 21cm radiation is just noise left over from the hot gas created when the universe was formed.

 

[ding]

It has both a beginning and an end. Space/time is only unbounded to anything trapped inside the cardinal points of space/time. I mean, the Earth is finite in size yet if you jump in a plane and take off flying, you could head in any direction yet never reach an end to the Earth. Given the fuel, you could fly on forever. Where the confusion sets in is the fact that there are many layers/levels to both space and time and how/where you measure them from. Where people fail at understanding this is their tendency to think in terms of linear flat reality when in fact, reality is far more bizarre than you can even imagine.

My understanding of the current model is that the universe had a beginning and is eternal into the future but not the past.

You seem to be confusing the curvature of space with an infinite. If the universe is expanding it cannot by definition be infinite. You could argue that what it is expanding into (i.e. the mind of God) is infinite but not the universe itself.

 

[ding]

The 21cm radiation is just noise left over from the hot gas created when the universe was formed.

How was the CMB formed? What was the process?

 

[ding]

No. The universe can be finite and limited from without yet appear timeless and unlimited from within.


All depends like I said earlier on your frame of reference.

If the universe is expanding, it cannot be infinite. Think about it. If it is infinite then it couldn't get bigger because it is already infinite.

 

[toobfreak]

Not really. I understand that the universe was created from a quantum tunneling event which produced a nearly equal number of matter and anti-matter particles through paired particle production. Do you know what that ratio is and how they determined that?

That theory has been around for years as a way of explaining the relative dearth of antimatter.

Do you know they have synthesized dark matter axions in a lab as a precursor to proving the existence of dark matter using a special manganese bismuth telluride matrix?

In a first, scientists create imitation of hypothetical dark matter axion

The axion quasiparticle forms when the interaction between the electric field and magnetization oscillates in a specific pattern over time.

interestingengineering.com