Why Does Obama Need To Compromise?

[Redfish]

How does one negotiate with something like this?
This Quote Says Everything About The GOP's Shutdown Stand


House Republicans are continuing to play hardball in negotiations over the spending bill that precipitated the government shutdown on Oct. 1, apparently out of fear that compromise would weaken their power.

"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

Thats the way negotiations work, rocky head. Have you ever negotiated a union contract? I have. Have you ever negotiated a government construction contract? I have.

 

[Sarah G]

How does one negotiate with something like this?
This Quote Says Everything About The GOP's Shutdown Stand


House Republicans are continuing to play hardball in negotiations over the spending bill that precipitated the government shutdown on Oct. 1, apparently out of fear that compromise would weaken their power.

"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

The gift that keeps on giving...

 

[Redfish]

The best negotiation is when both sides feel like they lost. remember that.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Liberals have been fighting for a national health care program for over a hundred years.

We know that if the ACA is defeated, conservatives will prevent any National Health care program from being instated for the next hundred years.

Most liberals would have preferred a single-payer (fully socialized) national health care program, or a 'public option', but settled with the ACA as a compromise to conservatives and the health care insurance industry.

We know that of conservatives block the ACA there is no way that they will allow any national Healthcare program whatsoever. Conservatives are full of shit when they say that they want a better program - they want no national health care program at all.

So...

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL LIBERALS ARE GOING TO AGREE To POSTPONE OR DE-FUND THE ACA. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!

YOU CAN SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION! YOU CAN REFUSE TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! YOU CAN REEK WORLDWIDE ECONOMIC CHAOS!

CAN YOU GET THAT THRU YOUR HEADS? LIBERALS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THE ACA NO MATTER WHAT!

PERIOD!

(BTW, if you do cause economic chaos and cause the banking system to collapse, all you be doing is setting the stage for socialization of the banking and financial industries - then YOU CAN COLLECTIVELY KISS OUR COLLECTIVE WHITE, BLACK, BROWN AND YELLOW ASSES!)

 

[Hum Dinger]

How does one negotiate with something like this?
This Quote Says Everything About The GOP's Shutdown Stand


House Republicans are continuing to play hardball in negotiations over the spending bill that precipitated the government shutdown on Oct. 1, apparently out of fear that compromise would weaken their power.

"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

What the Republicans can get out of this is to go home and live out the rest of their lives as private citizens.

 

[Redfish]

Liberals have been fighting for a national health care program for over a hundred years.

We know that if the ACA is defeated, conservatives will prevent any National Health care program from being instated for the next hundred years.

Most liberals would have preferred a single-payer (fully socialized) national health care program, or a 'public option', but settled with the ACA as a compromise to conservatives and the health care insurance industry.

We know that of conservatives block the ACA there is no way that they will allow any national Healthcare program whatsoever. Conservatives are full of shit when they say that they want a better program - they want no national health care program at all.

So...

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL LIBERALS ARE GOING TO AGREE To POSTPONE OR DE-FUND THE ACA. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!

YOU CAN SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION! YOU CAN REFUSE TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! YOU CAN REEK WORLDWIDE ECONOMIC CHAOS!

CAN YOU GET THAT THRU YOUR HEADS? LIBERALS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THE ACA NO MATTER WHAT!

PERIOD!

(BTW, if you do cause economic chaos and cause the banking system to collapse, all you be doing is setting the stage for socialization of the banking and financial industries - then YOU CAN COLLECTIVELY KISS OUR COLLECTIVE WHITE, BLACK, BROWN AND YELLOW ASSES!)

I understand your position, but you need to understand that 70% of america does not agree with you. A majority of americans do not want socialized medicine. If you want it, move to Canada or the UK.

 

[Redfish]

How does one negotiate with something like this?
This Quote Says Everything About The GOP's Shutdown Stand


House Republicans are continuing to play hardball in negotiations over the spending bill that precipitated the government shutdown on Oct. 1, apparently out of fear that compromise would weaken their power.

"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

What the Republicans can get out of this is to go home and live out the rest of their lives as private citizens.

your naivte has already been acknowledged. the losers here will be obama, reid, and pelosi.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Face it. Obamacare was passed in the House, in the Senate, Signed in to law by the President and survived a challenge before the Supreme Court.

The GOP candidates for POTUS then made Obamacare the number one issue in the last election. In short they made the entire election in 2012 a referendum on Obamacare. And guess what? The GOP lost. The American people voted in the only candidate that said he would keep it intact.

So what to do? The Tea Party backed politicians decided (like a bunch of whiny kids) that if they didn't get their way they would shut down the government.

What makes this so incredible is that the individual mandate was a conservative idea to begin with.

The bottom line? Obama does not have to compromise on a damn thing. It is the law of the land and the American people spoke. And once people start to sign up and take advantage of it they will like it much like they do Social Security and Medicare.

So let the Tea Party controlled GOP continue on with their little fiasco. They are only hurting themselves.

I think you're wrong.

He should compromise..with the liberal wing of the Democrats.

He should shit can the Sequester and reinstate the original outlays of spending.
He should push through a stimulus package for rebuilding our infrastructure.
He should push for greater block grants to hire more teachers, police and firemen.
He should push for grants to keep hospitals open and educate more doctors.
He should push for spending on science and research.
He should provide funding for head start and people who need food.

His been in the pocket of conservatives for too ******* long.

We won this elections and now Obama is the "Decider".

Jeebus, you're a stupid turd, aren't ya? Where is the money going to come from for all that spending you want to see, Corky?

 

[Redfish]

Face it. Obamacare was passed in the House, in the Senate, Signed in to law by the President and survived a challenge before the Supreme Court.

The GOP candidates for POTUS then made Obamacare the number one issue in the last election. In short they made the entire election in 2012 a referendum on Obamacare. And guess what? The GOP lost. The American people voted in the only candidate that said he would keep it intact.

So what to do? The Tea Party backed politicians decided (like a bunch of whiny kids) that if they didn't get their way they would shut down the government.

What makes this so incredible is that the individual mandate was a conservative idea to begin with.

The bottom line? Obama does not have to compromise on a damn thing. It is the law of the land and the American people spoke. And once people start to sign up and take advantage of it they will like it much like they do Social Security and Medicare.

So let the Tea Party controlled GOP continue on with their little fiasco. They are only hurting themselves.

I think you're wrong.

He should compromise..with the liberal wing of the Democrats.

He should shit can the Sequester and reinstate the original outlays of spending.
He should push through a stimulus package for rebuilding our infrastructure.
He should push for greater block grants to hire more teachers, police and firemen.
He should push for grants to keep hospitals open and educate more doctors.
He should push for spending on science and research.
He should provide funding for head start and people who need food.

His been in the pocket of conservatives for too ******* long.

We won this elections and now Obama is the "Decider".

Jeebus, you're a stupid turd, aren't ya? Where is the money going to come from for all that spending you want to see, Corky?

easy, the eeeeeeeeevil rich and the eeeeeeeeevil corporations.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Liberals have been fighting for a national health care program for over a hundred years.

We know that if the ACA is defeated, conservatives will prevent any National Health care program from being instated for the next hundred years.

Most liberals would have preferred a single-payer (fully socialized) national health care program, or a 'public option', but settled with the ACA as a compromise to conservatives and the health care insurance industry.

We know that of conservatives block the ACA there is no way that they will allow any national Healthcare program whatsoever. Conservatives are full of shit when they say that they want a better program - they want no national health care program at all.

So...

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL LIBERALS ARE GOING TO AGREE To POSTPONE OR DE-FUND THE ACA. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!

YOU CAN SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION! YOU CAN REFUSE TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! YOU CAN REEK WORLDWIDE ECONOMIC CHAOS!

CAN YOU GET THAT THRU YOUR HEADS? LIBERALS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THE ACA NO MATTER WHAT!

PERIOD!

(BTW, if you do cause economic chaos and cause the banking system to collapse, all you be doing is setting the stage for socialization of the banking and financial industries - then YOU CAN COLLECTIVELY KISS OUR COLLECTIVE WHITE, BLACK, BROWN AND YELLOW ASSES!)

I understand your position, but you need to understand that 70% of america does not agree with you. A majority of americans do not want socialized medicine. If you want it, move to Canada or the UK.

Nonsense! The majority of Americans do want some National Healthcare system. All polling at the time the ACA was enacted indicated this.

All that has happened is that a concerted GOP PR initiative - based almost totally on lies - has led the majority of Americans to believe that the ACA is some horrendous program that will cost the government a fortune. Those are blatant lies.

Once people understand what the ACA is they will love it. They'll also realize the the GOP has been blatantly lying to them.

This is why the GOP is so desparate in stopping the ACA - they don't want the American people to discover how good it is.

 

[Hum Dinger]

How does one negotiate with something like this?
This Quote Says Everything About The GOP's Shutdown Stand


House Republicans are continuing to play hardball in negotiations over the spending bill that precipitated the government shutdown on Oct. 1, apparently out of fear that compromise would weaken their power.

"We're not going to be disrespected," Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

What the Republicans can get out of this is to go home and live out the rest of their lives as private citizens.

your naivte has already been acknowledged. the losers here will be obama, reid, and pelosi.

Keep dreamin'!

 

[Sarah G]

The best negotiation is when both sides feel like they lost. remember that.

Well Republicans and especially the Teaparty feel like they lost this time because they have lost.

They lost big and are humiliated but they don't seem to know that.

 

[Redfish]

Liberals have been fighting for a national health care program for over a hundred years.

We know that if the ACA is defeated, conservatives will prevent any National Health care program from being instated for the next hundred years.

Most liberals would have preferred a single-payer (fully socialized) national health care program, or a 'public option', but settled with the ACA as a compromise to conservatives and the health care insurance industry.

We know that of conservatives block the ACA there is no way that they will allow any national Healthcare program whatsoever. Conservatives are full of shit when they say that they want a better program - they want no national health care program at all.

So...

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL LIBERALS ARE GOING TO AGREE To POSTPONE OR DE-FUND THE ACA. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!

YOU CAN SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION! YOU CAN REFUSE TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING! YOU CAN REEK WORLDWIDE ECONOMIC CHAOS!

CAN YOU GET THAT THRU YOUR HEADS? LIBERALS ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THE ACA NO MATTER WHAT!

PERIOD!

(BTW, if you do cause economic chaos and cause the banking system to collapse, all you be doing is setting the stage for socialization of the banking and financial industries - then YOU CAN COLLECTIVELY KISS OUR COLLECTIVE WHITE, BLACK, BROWN AND YELLOW ASSES!)

I understand your position, but you need to understand that 70% of america does not agree with you. A majority of americans do not want socialized medicine. If you want it, move to Canada or the UK.

Nonsense! The majority of Americans do want some National Healthcare system. All polling at the time the ACA was enacted indicated this.

All that has happened is that a concerted GOP PR initiative - based almost totally on lies - has led the majority of Americans to believe that the ACA is some horrendous program that will cost the government a fortune. Those are blatant lies.

Once people understand what the ACA is they will love it. They'll also realize the the GOP has been blatantly lying to them.

This is why the GOP is so desparate in stopping the ACA - they don't want the American people to discover how good it is.

NO, thats wrong, americans want access to high quality, reasonably priced medical care. The ACA does not do either thing.


How are you better off with a policy that costs $100/month and has a 10K deductible? Do you understand what that means? you will have out of pocket costs of $11,200 before your insurance policy pays anything. Thats not medical insurance. What will you do if you don't have the 10K? borrow it from mama? what if she doesn't have it?

 

[CMike]

Why? Because it's hugely unpopular.

Also he rammed it through the congress without even a good chunk of the democraps reading it before they voted for it.

 

[Redfish]

The best negotiation is when both sides feel like they lost. remember that.

Well Republicans and especially the Teaparty feel like they lost this time because they have lost.

They lost big and are humiliated but they don't seem to know that.

the game is far from over, its only the 3rd inning. the final score is yet to be determined. The latest polls are shifting blame to obama and reid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Seriously for a minute. Our system of government is based on negotiation and compromise. We do not live in a monarchy or a dictatorship.

Its really that simple and every previous president has understood that. Clinton probably better than most.

So if the GOP members of the House demanded that the Ryan/Romney plan for ending Medicare be passed before they would agree to fund the government,

President Obama would be a dictator if he didn't agree to that?

lol, you're demented.

 

[The Rabbi]

The best negotiation is when both sides feel like they lost. remember that.

Well Republicans and especially the Teaparty feel like they lost this time because they have lost.

They lost big and are humiliated but they don't seem to know that.

Really? What did they lose exactly? It seems to be the Dems are desperate because shutting down non-essential services hasn't really inconvencienced anyone all tha tmuch. People are saying, Maybe we really dont need a gov't that consumer 140% of every dollar it takes in.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why? Because it's hugely unpopular.

Also he rammed it through the congress without even a good chunk of the democraps reading it before they voted for it.

That's a lie. Support for repealing Obamacare is maybe 35 or 40 percent.

 

[Redfish]

Seriously for a minute. Our system of government is based on negotiation and compromise. We do not live in a monarchy or a dictatorship.

Its really that simple and every previous president has understood that. Clinton probably better than most.

So if the GOP members of the House demanded that the Ryan/Romney plan for ending Medicare be passed before they would agree to fund the government,

President Obama would be a dictator if he didn't agree to that?

lol, you're demented.

Thats not what I said, and your juvenile insult is noted for its worthlessness.

Negotiation and compromise means that both sides give and take until an agreement is reached. Clinton and Newt did it. Reagan and O'Neill did it. Obama refuses.

Is it because he knows that his negotiation skills are so poor that he will always lose? Or is he such a narcissist that he thinks he can dictate to everyone else?

 

[Hum Dinger]

I understand your position, but you need to understand that 70% of america does not agree with you. A majority of americans do not want socialized medicine. If you want it, move to Canada or the UK.

Nonsense! The majority of Americans do want some National Healthcare system. All polling at the time the ACA was enacted indicated this.

All that has happened is that a concerted GOP PR initiative - based almost totally on lies - has led the majority of Americans to believe that the ACA is some horrendous program that will cost the government a fortune. Those are blatant lies.

Once people understand what the ACA is they will love it. They'll also realize the the GOP has been blatantly lying to them.

This is why the GOP is so desparate in stopping the ACA - they don't want the American people to discover how good it is.

NO, thats wrong, americans want access to high quality, reasonably priced medical care. The ACA does not do either thing.


How are you better off with a policy that costs $100/month and has a 10K deductible? Do you understand what that means? you will have out of pocket costs of $11,200 before your insurance policy pays anything. Thats not medical insurance. What will you do if you don't have the 10K? borrow it from mama? what if she doesn't have it?

What the ACA means is that millions of people who have absolutely no health insurance, but still get socialized health care from hospital emergency rooms, will now have to pay some money for the care they receive. This means that the rest of us that do have health insurance (and the government) will no longer have to pay for there health care costs.