Why Does ICE Continue to Arrest Persons Who Are Here Legally?

[struth]

Constitutional rights are rarely codified in law, since any law written under the constitution is inferior to the constitution itself.

But relief is: 42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights

Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress,

That's true, any illegal succeed in suing ICE under this? List the cases please.

on the other hand, this is the cause of action that Trump sued the Xiden admin under, and looks like the Govt is going to be paying out on .

 

[Churchill]

There is evidence of the holocaust....

Nobody has provided any evidence about the rights being violated, nothing for me to even claim is fake....

You don't want evidence, if you did you'd find it yourself easily. All you want to do is discredit evidence and reject it, you want to blame the victims, you can't fool me, I've seen your type before.

You speak of evidence for the Holocaust, are we to take it you once demanded others bring you evidence of the Holocaust or did you look for yourself? You looked for yourself, so don't pretend you need or want other people to "bring you" evidence.

You're a racial supremacist bigot, I can see so can others, stop play acting.

 

[Darkwind]

I don’t know. Breaking down a man’s door and hauling him away for no reason doesn’t seem legal.

Immunity only goes so far. Bad cops can and have been prosecuted for violating the rights of citizens.

They had reason. They were executing a warrant based on the occupant's description. I don't even know that they got it wrong because what family is going to stand up and say, "Yeah, he's our father, but he's a criminal too!"

Immunity DOES go only so far. I stated that if they commit a felony, say, murder, their immunity is void. Just like it would be if the planted evidence, made-up evidence, or if they were blackmailing him. There are other crimes they would not be immune from, but making a mistake, if one was even made, is not one of them.

I personally think that the SCOTUS needs to revisit that entire 'aliens have rights' ruling and overturn it.

But I don't get to make that call because I don't have standing.

You know who does have standing? Every single parent who lost a child to these ******* monsters.

I wish they'd sue Biden, his cabinet for turning their backs on the American people.

But like ICE, Biden and the last administration exercise immunity for acts done in an official capacity while performing their duties.

 

[struth]

You don't want evidence, if you did you'd find it yourself easily. All you want to do is discredit evidence and reject it, you want to blame the victims, you can't fool me, I've seen your type before.

I do, hence why I asked....you can't provide it, hence why you are derailing the thread and trying sadly and desperately to compare your inability to do so, to the Holocaust...it's really sick and sad.

 

[Darkwind]

Constitutional rights are rarely codified in law, since any law written under the constitution is inferior to the constitution itself.

But relief is: 42 U.S. Code § 1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights

Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress,

Now cite the laws that permit law enforcement to investigate and arrest based on probable cause, which exists at the Federal level as well as the State level.

You can prove they didn't have probable cause, right? Because they don't have to prove anything to you or me. Only to a judge.

 

[Captain Creeper]

This guy was detained for a few hours before they had an “oopsie” moment and brought him back home.

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How is this happening?

Because after years of flooding this country with illegals, a mistake or two is bound to happen when we start enforcing immigration law to get things back in order. The real question is why are you opposing ICE in arresting child murderers, child rapists, drug traffickers, woman beaters, and other assorted vermin who slithered across the border at the beckoning of the Biden administration?

 

[Churchill]

I do, hence why I asked....you can't provide it, hence why you are derailing the thread and trying sadly and desperately to compare your inability to do so, to the Holocaust...it's really sick and sad.

No you don't because getting evidence is easy, unless you are not computer literate. If you cared if you were open minded as to the claim you'd simply look for yourself.

 

[skews13]

You forget that in the performance of their duties, they have immunity.

Unless they commit a felony type crime, which they have not done.

You forget that a new DOJ can just settle with anyone ICE has hurt, and pay them with tax payers money, whether they have immunity or not right?

 

[struth]

No you don't because getting evidence is easy, unless you are not computer literate. If you cared if you were open minded as to the claim you'd simply look for yourself.

If it's easy then show us

 

[Marener]

They had reason. They were executing a warrant based on the occupant's description. I don't even know that they got it wrong because what family is going to stand up and say, "Yeah, he's our father, but he's a criminal too!"

Immunity DOES go only so far. I stated that if they commit a felony, say, murder, their immunity is void. Just like it would be if the planted evidence, made-up evidence, or if they were blackmailing him. There are other crimes they would not be immune from, but making a mistake, if one was even made, is not one of them.

I personally think that the SCOTUS needs to revisit that entire 'aliens have rights' ruling and overturn it.

But I don't get to make that call because I don't have standing.

You know who does have standing? Every single parent who lost a child to these ******* monsters.

I wish they'd sue Biden, his cabinet for turning their backs on the American people.

But like ICE, Biden and the last administration exercise immunity for acts done in an official capacity while performing their duties.

The man they were looking for is decades younger and doesn’t look at all like him, and he hadn’t lived there in some time.

 

[Churchill]

If it's easy then show us

Did the Gestapo do "anything wrong" during the 1930s? No, their officers were not prosecuted for violent acts, they were never prosecuted or punished for dragging innocent people out of their homes in the middle of the night or burning down Jewish stores. So based on your infantile approach - the Gestapo did nothing wrong during the 1930s.

That has to be your position.

 

[struth]

Did the Gestapo do "anything wrong" during the 1930s? No, their officers were not prosecuted for violent acts, they were never prosecuted or punished for dragging innocent people out of their homes in the middle of the night or burning down Jewish stores. So based on your infantile approach - the Gestapo did nothing wrong during the 1930s.

Yes, they did and there is tons of evidence of that.

Once again, you deflect because you know you can't actually provide us any proof of your claims about ICE.

 

[Churchill]

Yes, they did and there is tons of evidence of that.

There's no evidence that any member of the Gestapo was punished by the German authorities during the 1930s for violent acts or destruction of Jewish property.

If you have some please present it here so we can see? If you can't find evidence then on what basis exactly do you claim the Gestapo did "anything wrong" in Germany during the 1930s?

Perhaps you think that if officers of an agency of the government are never prosecuted by that government then that serves as proof of no wrong doing by any of those officers?

Is that you "logic" you seem very bewildered by this question.

 

[struth]

There's no evidence that any member of the Gestapo was punished by the German authorities during the 1930s. If you have some please present it here so we can see? If you can't find evidence then on what basis exactly do you claim the Gestapo did "anything wrong" in Germany during the 1930s?

Perhaps you think that if officers of an agency of the government are never prosecuted by that government then that serves as proof of no wrong doing by any of those officers?

Is that you "logic"?

Of course they weren't. But there is plenty of evidence they did things wrong...and folks were ultimately brought to trial.

I am asking for one case in which ICE was found to violate someone's constitutional rights in their arrest.

 

[Churchill]

Of course they weren't. But there is plenty of evidence they did things wrong...and folks were ultimately brought to trial.

I never asked for evidence of wrongdoing, I asked for evidence any Gestapo officer was ever convicted for violence by the German government during the 1930s. If we were both in Germany in 1938 and I asked you for evidence of wrongdoing by the Gestapo what evidence might you have shown me?

I am asking for one case in which ICE was found to violate someone's constitutional rights in their arrest.

But why? That position only has merit if we assume the government institutions who can prosecute are themselves trustworthy. Would you have assumed that about the German government in 1938 if you lived in Germany?

We both know you would have assumed that, you'd be waving your little swastika and cheering on the Reich and never bat an eyelid to the crimes all around you and you'd give fake comfort to yourself because nobody in the Gestapo was being prosecuted.

That's why you are scum, foul and regularly pollute this forum with your sickness.

 

[struth]

I never asked for evidence of wrongdoing, I asked for evidence any Gestapo officer was ever convicted for violence by the German government during the 1930s. If we were both in Germany in 1938 and I asked you for evidence of wrongdoing by the Gestapo what evidence might you have shown me?

But why? That position only has merit if we assume the government institutions who can prosecute are themselves trustworthy. Would you have assumed that about the German government in 1938 if you lived in Germany?

We both know you would have assumed that, you'd be waving your little swastika and cheering on the Reich and never bat an eyelid to the crimes all around you and you'd give fake comfort to yourself because nobody in the Gestapo was being prosecuted.

That's why you are scum, foul and regularly pollute this forum with your sickness.

I’ve noticed you’ve still not provided one case

 

[postman]

The fact that the DOJ decided to drop the charges, doesn't mean his rights were violated by the arrest.

He wasn't trying to join a Congressional oversight tour either

He was the mayor. And under their statutes, the mayor was allowed to inspect that building. Hence no charge of trespass could be sustained. And that's why the charges were dropped, the arrest was illegal. His rights were violated, as were the rights of everybody the mayor represented being deprived of their right to have the government they elected.

 

[citygator]

I don't see anyone being dragged in the pic in the OP. Why do you lie?

You need to learn English comrade. Over here it is easily understood. "My wife dragged me to the store".

 

[struth]

He was the mayor. And under their statutes, the mayor was allowed to inspect that building. Hence no charge of trespass could be sustained. And that's why the charges were dropped, the arrest was illegal. His rights were violated, as were the rights of everybody the mayor represented being deprived of their right to have the government they elected.

Please provide the code section that allows a mayor to inspect a federal agency’s building

The DOJ dropped the charges out of the kindness of their hearts

 

[postman]

I don't see anyone being dragged in the pic in the OP. Why do you lie?

It has many meanings

"Expression dragged away" refers to the forceful, unwilling, or difficult removal of someone or something, often implying resistance or reluctance, like being physically pulled from a place or having something precious taken harshly (e.g., hope). It can describe physically pulling a person or object against their will or the emotional pain of something vital being lost or removed unexpectedly and roughly, such as "hope dragged away".