Zone1 Why does anything matter?
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it doesn't.
Life is an incredible thing. Don't waste it, enjoy it. Family and friends are what I enjoy. And I enjoy doing the occasional good deed. And pickleball.
Meriweather
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Are you saying life is merely about enjoying the physical aspects of existence because all that is physical has a temporary existence, so enjoy it while you and it are here?
Those who sense that humans are made up of body, mind, and spirit consider the spirit is now enjoying this temporary physical existence, mindful there is something greater than that which is physical. Physical existence is something to be enjoyed, but it is not the only aspect of living that is to be enjoyed. There is enjoyment in the physical, but involving spiritual expansion in our physical life brings, not just enjoyment, but joy.
Consider that focusing solely on the physical is enjoying only half of our reality. Perhaps half is enough for some, but others are drawn into the totality.
Oddball
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Bill Nye is a massive self-focused ******* imbecile.
Read some Dannion Brinkley.
Maybe there's a Judeo-Christian "GOD" and maybe there isn't...Regardless, only a total fool believes in an effect (our sentience) devoid of a cause.
We're all energy and vibration...When that energy and vibration is released from the mortal coil, it is converted and goes somewhere.
That's physics, not metaphysics.
BreezeWood
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the heavens are the next destination for whichever spirit accomplishes the goal necessary for admission - knowingly or not. the aspiration in itself in the correct manner is rewarding for future prosperity, most or very few accomplish the goal and perish. fodder for the cannon, desert dwellers at best.
no religion is necessary.
no religion is necessary.
Get it where you can. I try not to imagine things that are not there.
Meriweather
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While some of us embrace all that is there without being so persnickety about trying "only the physical". For example, who do you think enjoys the widest variety of food: My daughters, eager to try anything new, or persnickety me?
Who sleeps better, the person who believes in zombies or the one who doesn't?
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How does response relate to our discussion?
In the end nothing really matters. All the things people worry about...money, work, houses, vehicles....none of it matters at all. None of that stuff carries any relevance. Think your work defines you and that you are important? The second you retire someone replaces you easily. Its all really a crock of nothing.
If you embrace ALL you run the risk of including what is not real.
According to the theory of "it from bit" nothing is "real." At least not in the terms of what you think is "real."
“As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.”
If you only limit yourself to what you know, you will never discover anything new. Seems to me that that would be a worse fate than including what is not real. Especially since we don't really know what is "real." Quantum physics is stranger than we can imagine.
"....“Someday surely we will see the principle underlying existence as so simple, so beautiful, so compelling that we will all say to each other, 'How could we all have been so stupid for so long.” Wheeler looks up from the book, his expression beatific. “I don't know whether it will be one year or a decade, but I think we can and will understand. That's the central thing I would like to stand for. We can and will understand.”
Many modern scientists, Wheeler notes, have shared his faith that humans will one day find the key to the mysteries of existence. Kurt Gödel, once Wheeler’s neighbor in Princeton, believed that the key might have already been discovered. “He thought that maybe among the papers of Leibniz, which in his time had still not been fully smoked out, we would find the--what was the word--the philosopher's key, the magic way to find truth and solve any set of puzzlements.” Gödel felt this key “would give a person who understood it such power” that only “people of high moral character” should possess it.
Yet Wheeler’s mentor Bohr apparently doubted whether science or mathematics could achieve such a revelation. After Bohr died, his son told Wheeler that his father thought the search for the ultimate theory of physics might never reach a satisfying conclusion; as physicists delved more deeply into nature, they would face questions whose complexity would overwhelm them. “I guess I'm more optimistic than that,” Wheeler says, “but maybe I'm kidding myself.”
The irony is that Wheeler’s it from bit implies that a final theory will always be a mirage, and that truth is something created rather than objectively apprehended. His view comes dangerously close to postmodernism, or worse. In the early 1980s, organizers of the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science placed Wheeler on the same program as three parapsychologists. Wheeler was furious. At the meeting, he made it clear that he did not share the belief of his co-speakers in psychic phenomena. He passed out a pamphlet that declared, in reference to parapsychology: “Where there’s smoke, there’s smoke.”
But Wheeler himself has suggested that there is nothing but smoke. “I do take 100 percent seriously the idea that the world is a figment of the imagination,” he told physicist/science writer Jeremy Bernstein in 1985. Wheeler must know that this view defies common sense: Where was mind when the universe was born? And what sustained the universe for the billions of years before we came to be? He nonetheless bravely offers us a lovely, chilling paradox: At the heart of everything is a question, not an answer. When you peer down into the deepest recesses of matter or at the farthest edge of the universe, you see, finally, your own puzzled face looking back at you."
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Many modern scientists, Wheeler notes, have shared his faith that humans will one day find the key to the mysteries of existence. Kurt Gödel, once Wheeler’s neighbor in Princeton, believed that the key might have already been discovered. “He thought that maybe among the papers of Leibniz, which in his time had still not been fully smoked out, we would find the--what was the word--the philosopher's key, the magic way to find truth and solve any set of puzzlements.” Gödel felt this key “would give a person who understood it such power” that only “people of high moral character” should possess it.
Yet Wheeler’s mentor Bohr apparently doubted whether science or mathematics could achieve such a revelation. After Bohr died, his son told Wheeler that his father thought the search for the ultimate theory of physics might never reach a satisfying conclusion; as physicists delved more deeply into nature, they would face questions whose complexity would overwhelm them. “I guess I'm more optimistic than that,” Wheeler says, “but maybe I'm kidding myself.”
The irony is that Wheeler’s it from bit implies that a final theory will always be a mirage, and that truth is something created rather than objectively apprehended. His view comes dangerously close to postmodernism, or worse. In the early 1980s, organizers of the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science placed Wheeler on the same program as three parapsychologists. Wheeler was furious. At the meeting, he made it clear that he did not share the belief of his co-speakers in psychic phenomena. He passed out a pamphlet that declared, in reference to parapsychology: “Where there’s smoke, there’s smoke.”
But Wheeler himself has suggested that there is nothing but smoke. “I do take 100 percent seriously the idea that the world is a figment of the imagination,” he told physicist/science writer Jeremy Bernstein in 1985. Wheeler must know that this view defies common sense: Where was mind when the universe was born? And what sustained the universe for the billions of years before we came to be? He nonetheless bravely offers us a lovely, chilling paradox: At the heart of everything is a question, not an answer. When you peer down into the deepest recesses of matter or at the farthest edge of the universe, you see, finally, your own puzzled face looking back at you."
Physicist John Wheeler and the “It from Bit” — John Horgan (The Science Writer)
June 29, 2023. Is quantum mechanics weird if no one is paying attention to it? Lots of people are paying attention to it now, including me . Two physicists often cited in debates about the theory’s meaning are John Wheeler and David Bohm, both of whom I interviewed in the early 1990s and featu
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WHY DOES ANYTHING MATTER?
Certain things matter greatly because we are eternal beings and we might as well spend eternity with the most joy and happiness that we can. So it is important that we learn the things that bring joy and happiness to our soon to be immortal souls. God is showing us how we can gain that knowledge and what we need to do to gain immortal glory and everlasting joy and happiness.
Certain things matter greatly because we are eternal beings and we might as well spend eternity with the most joy and happiness that we can. So it is important that we learn the things that bring joy and happiness to our soon to be immortal souls. God is showing us how we can gain that knowledge and what we need to do to gain immortal glory and everlasting joy and happiness.
Meriweather
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We are speaking about all that is real: Body, mind, spirit. Leaving spirit out of existence is leaving out a large portion of reality. There is no reality in zombies, unicorns, or Pegasus. Look it up.
Believing worthwhile "things" matter is the key to happiness. Believing nothing matters or in "things" that aren't worthwhile is the key to despair.
Asking questions is great but seeking evidence is how you discover anything new.
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