Why do you MORONS keep insisting that Hillary won something?

[Camp]

Why are the trump cultist so butthurt about not winning the popular vote and had to settle for second place in voter support. Heck, Trump won the EC vote and that gets him the Presidency. Seems like the cultist are whining excessively about this topic.

 

[Dot Com]

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

How about if you're the President and tell illegal aliens to vote???

Quite the low-life, huh?

You support him?

Birds of a feather, I guess.....

CATFIGHT!!!

 

[Tom Horn]

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

WTF? First you claim the RUSSIANS rigged this election and now you're claiming it can't be done. There is a certain point in these threads where you are almost ready to see the light, and then you slam the window shut....followed by subject-changes, requests for links you won't read, and then you vanish and come back later to throw more chaff. You're a mod or some of us wouldn't be so civil in our replies to you....just sayin.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

WTF? First you claim the RUSSIANS rigged this election and now you're claiming it can't be done. There is a certain point in these threads where you are almost ready to see the light, and then you slam the window shut....followed by subject-changes, requests for links you won't read, and then you vanish and come back later to throw more chaff. You're a mod or some of us wouldn't be so civil in our replies to you....just sayin.

Did she really say the Russians rigged the election????

What a dope.

She's battin' below the Mendoza Line.

 

[Coyote]

That's the question you need to answer giving the claims you made.

Glad you asked!


"Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...tizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf


That rounds out to about 1 and a third million votes....


...and that was at a time when the issue was simply Barack Obama.

Now...when their future in America was at stake...and Obama telling then that there was no penalty for breaking the law.....heck, at least twice as many voted.


Now....if 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted last time

....and now
a. their icon, Obama, told them to vote and not be concerned that there would be any penalty (as per the video)

and...

b. the central issue in Trump's campaign was throwing them out of the nation that they invaded....


....ya' think maybe 13.2%....or 17.6%.....or more of 'em voted??????


You betcha'!!!!!!!


Trump won both the EC and the popular vote.

Trump’s Claims About Illegal Votes Are Nonsense. I Debunked the Study He Cites as ‘Evidence.’

Donald Trump is making news with his false claim that he would have won the national popular vote if millions of non-citizens had not voted in November. As evidence, he and his staff are pointing to a study by Jesse Richman and his co-authors that was published in the journal Electoral Studies and advertised on the Washington Post’s Monkey Cage blog. As a member of the team that produces the datasets upon which that study was based and as the co-author of an article published in the same journal that provides a clear “take down” of the study in question, I can say unequivocally that this research is not only wrong, it is irresponsible social science and should never have been published in the first place. There is no evidence that non-citizens have voted in recent U.S. elections.

...Indeed, it took me and my colleagues only a few hours to figure out why the authors’ findings were wrong and to produce the evidence needed to prove as much. The authors were essentially basing their claims on two pieces of data associated with the large survey—a question that asks people whether they are citizens and official vote records to which each respondent has been matched to determine whether he or she had voted. Both these pieces of information include some small amounts of measurement error, as is true of all survey questions. What the authors failed to consider is that measurement error was entirely responsible for their results. In fact, once my colleagues and I accounted for that error, we found that there were essentially zero non-citizens who voted in recent elections.​

Now, review what "proof" actually is. It's not the Richman study.

Check.

Did you have to PROVE how stupid you are?????

Politico.....????

The source that sent its articles to Podesta for his OK??????


"#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story"
#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story

A few more articles to lay to rest your extremely weak thesis:

AP fact check: How do Trump's voter fraud allegations hold up?

Trump’s charge that he actually won the popular vote if the “millions of people who voted illegally” had not been counted mimics one posted on Infowars.com, a conservative website that traffics in conspiracy theories.​

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

In Wisconsin, Trump cited a 2014 Washington Post article titled “Could non-citizens decide the November election?” It was a piece penned by Old Dominion University professors Jesse Richman and David Earnest about research the two later published in the journal Electoral Studies. It turns out to be a disputed and very controversial study.

Trump accurately quotes from the blog post. But the authors’ results are contested by a number of academics, including those who administer and manage the data on which it is based.​

Fact check: Trump sticks with bogus voter fraud claims

“Their finding is entirely due to measurement error,” one of the authors, Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and the principal investigator of the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, told us. “Measurement errors happen. People accidentally check the wrong box in surveys. The rate of such errors in the CCES is very small, but such errors do happen. And when they do happen on a question such as citizenship, researchers can easily draw the wrong inference about voting behaviors. Richman and Earnest extrapolate from a handful of wrongfully classified cases (of non-citizens).”
Study cited as proof of vote fraud by Trump team misinterpreted, author says

Even if we assume the Richman and Earnest study is correct, Richman told us that it does not back Trump’s claim that noncitizen voting swung the popular vote in favor of Clinton.​

My turn?

Here's another one you can't answer:

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



LA Times:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Post Analysis: Diversionary Tactic #2 - wow them by making a connection with iIllegal aliens getting drivers license and implying high numbers of Illegals voting.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.
​

Why undocumented immigrants won’t take advantage of ‘motor voter’ law: Thomas Elias

Many Republicans predicted trouble the moment Gov. Jerry Brown signed the new measure into law last fall, with GOP activists predicting it would lead to state-sanctioned voter fraud and flood the voting rolls with non-citizens.

But this has not happened yet and probably never will.

That’s because the same rules that prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents will apply to everyone automatically registered to vote during visits to Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

The new law registers every eligible Californian who goes to the DMV to get or renew a driver’s license. Once Secretary of State Alex Padilla sets up a specific procedure to be followed in all offices, every eligible person who doesn’t opt out will be registered.​

Still no actual evidence.

Check.

 

[TheDude]

The champion won four games in a best of seven series, but to liberals, the fact the loser scored the most runs overall is really really important.

Remember, these are the people who declare they're educated.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Glad you asked!


"Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...tizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf


That rounds out to about 1 and a third million votes....


...and that was at a time when the issue was simply Barack Obama.

Now...when their future in America was at stake...and Obama telling then that there was no penalty for breaking the law.....heck, at least twice as many voted.


Now....if 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted last time

....and now
a. their icon, Obama, told them to vote and not be concerned that there would be any penalty (as per the video)

and...

b. the central issue in Trump's campaign was throwing them out of the nation that they invaded....


....ya' think maybe 13.2%....or 17.6%.....or more of 'em voted??????


You betcha'!!!!!!!


Trump won both the EC and the popular vote.

Trump’s Claims About Illegal Votes Are Nonsense. I Debunked the Study He Cites as ‘Evidence.’

Donald Trump is making news with his false claim that he would have won the national popular vote if millions of non-citizens had not voted in November. As evidence, he and his staff are pointing to a study by Jesse Richman and his co-authors that was published in the journal Electoral Studies and advertised on the Washington Post’s Monkey Cage blog. As a member of the team that produces the datasets upon which that study was based and as the co-author of an article published in the same journal that provides a clear “take down” of the study in question, I can say unequivocally that this research is not only wrong, it is irresponsible social science and should never have been published in the first place. There is no evidence that non-citizens have voted in recent U.S. elections.

...Indeed, it took me and my colleagues only a few hours to figure out why the authors’ findings were wrong and to produce the evidence needed to prove as much. The authors were essentially basing their claims on two pieces of data associated with the large survey—a question that asks people whether they are citizens and official vote records to which each respondent has been matched to determine whether he or she had voted. Both these pieces of information include some small amounts of measurement error, as is true of all survey questions. What the authors failed to consider is that measurement error was entirely responsible for their results. In fact, once my colleagues and I accounted for that error, we found that there were essentially zero non-citizens who voted in recent elections.​

Now, review what "proof" actually is. It's not the Richman study.

Check.

Did you have to PROVE how stupid you are?????

Politico.....????

The source that sent its articles to Podesta for his OK??????


"#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story"
#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story

A few more articles to lay to rest your extremely weak thesis:

AP fact check: How do Trump's voter fraud allegations hold up?

Trump’s charge that he actually won the popular vote if the “millions of people who voted illegally” had not been counted mimics one posted on Infowars.com, a conservative website that traffics in conspiracy theories.​

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

In Wisconsin, Trump cited a 2014 Washington Post article titled “Could non-citizens decide the November election?” It was a piece penned by Old Dominion University professors Jesse Richman and David Earnest about research the two later published in the journal Electoral Studies. It turns out to be a disputed and very controversial study.

Trump accurately quotes from the blog post. But the authors’ results are contested by a number of academics, including those who administer and manage the data on which it is based.​

Fact check: Trump sticks with bogus voter fraud claims

“Their finding is entirely due to measurement error,” one of the authors, Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and the principal investigator of the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, told us. “Measurement errors happen. People accidentally check the wrong box in surveys. The rate of such errors in the CCES is very small, but such errors do happen. And when they do happen on a question such as citizenship, researchers can easily draw the wrong inference about voting behaviors. Richman and Earnest extrapolate from a handful of wrongfully classified cases (of non-citizens).”
Study cited as proof of vote fraud by Trump team misinterpreted, author says

Even if we assume the Richman and Earnest study is correct, Richman told us that it does not back Trump’s claim that noncitizen voting swung the popular vote in favor of Clinton.​

My turn?

Here's another one you can't answer:

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



LA Times:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Post Analysis: Diversionary Tactic #2 - wow them by making a connection with iIllegal aliens getting drivers license and implying high numbers of Illegals voting.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.
​

Why undocumented immigrants won’t take advantage of ‘motor voter’ law: Thomas Elias

Many Republicans predicted trouble the moment Gov. Jerry Brown signed the new measure into law last fall, with GOP activists predicting it would lead to state-sanctioned voter fraud and flood the voting rolls with non-citizens.

But this has not happened yet and probably never will.

That’s because the same rules that prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents will apply to everyone automatically registered to vote during visits to Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

The new law registers every eligible Californian who goes to the DMV to get or renew a driver’s license. Once Secretary of State Alex Padilla sets up a specific procedure to be followed in all offices, every eligible person who doesn’t opt out will be registered.
​

Diversion????

I'm making a direct statement: you're an imbecile.


"prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents"

Yup....these Democrat poll watchers check carefully who votes...

 

[Tom Horn]

Did she really say the Russians rigged the election????

What a dope.

She's battin' below the Mendoza Line.

For those readers who ain't seam-heads (beisbol fans), the Mendoza Line was a phrase made famous by George Brett to describe a latin player who's batting average was consistently at .200. Thereafter and for all time, the Mendoza Line will describe a guy who can't hit Major League pitching.

 

[Coyote]

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

WTF? First you claim the RUSSIANS rigged this election and now you're claiming it can't be done. There is a certain point in these threads where you are almost ready to see the light, and then you slam the window shut....followed by subject-changes, requests for links you won't read, and then you vanish and come back later to throw more chaff. You're a mod or some of us wouldn't be so civil in our replies to you....just sayin.

Did she really say the Russians rigged the election????

What a dope.

She's battin' below the Mendoza Line.

No. I never said Russians rigged the election. I challenge Mr. Horn to put up the evidence.

I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did. That is all water under the bridge.

I've also said - repeatedly - there is no way to rig an entire presidential election to the non-centralized nature of our electoral process.

Now, Tom Horn - care to put up evidence for your claim? Or, is this just an attempt to attack the speaker because you don't have the evidence to effectively attack the argument?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did she really say the Russians rigged the election????

What a dope.

She's battin' below the Mendoza Line.

For those readers who ain't seam-heads (beisbol fans), the Mendoza Line was a phrase made famous by George Brett to describe a latin player who's batting average was consistently at .200. Thereafter and for all time, the Mendoza Line will describe a guy who can't hit Major League pitching.

Go Yankees!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

WTF? First you claim the RUSSIANS rigged this election and now you're claiming it can't be done. There is a certain point in these threads where you are almost ready to see the light, and then you slam the window shut....followed by subject-changes, requests for links you won't read, and then you vanish and come back later to throw more chaff. You're a mod or some of us wouldn't be so civil in our replies to you....just sayin.

Did she really say the Russians rigged the election????

What a dope.

She's battin' below the Mendoza Line.

No. I never said Russians rigged the election. I challenge Mr. Horn to put up the evidence.

I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did. That is all water under the bridge.

I've also said - repeatedly - there is no way to rig an entire presidential election to the non-centralized nature of our electoral process.

Now, Tom Horn - care to put up evidence for your claim? Or, is this just an attempt to attack the speaker because you don't have the evidence to effectively attack the argument?

"I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did."

Of course there is....

....the proof that this 'fake news' tale of Russia changing the course of our election....

a. The day before any leaks, wikileaks or otherwise, the RealClearPolitics had Hillary at 48%

b. The election result gave Hillary 48.08% per the election.


Soooo......where is any....ANY....result due to Russia, Putin, Wiki, or Mickey Mouse????



Mendoza Line again.

 

[Coyote]

Trump’s Claims About Illegal Votes Are Nonsense. I Debunked the Study He Cites as ‘Evidence.’

Donald Trump is making news with his false claim that he would have won the national popular vote if millions of non-citizens had not voted in November. As evidence, he and his staff are pointing to a study by Jesse Richman and his co-authors that was published in the journal Electoral Studies and advertised on the Washington Post’s Monkey Cage blog. As a member of the team that produces the datasets upon which that study was based and as the co-author of an article published in the same journal that provides a clear “take down” of the study in question, I can say unequivocally that this research is not only wrong, it is irresponsible social science and should never have been published in the first place. There is no evidence that non-citizens have voted in recent U.S. elections.

...Indeed, it took me and my colleagues only a few hours to figure out why the authors’ findings were wrong and to produce the evidence needed to prove as much. The authors were essentially basing their claims on two pieces of data associated with the large survey—a question that asks people whether they are citizens and official vote records to which each respondent has been matched to determine whether he or she had voted. Both these pieces of information include some small amounts of measurement error, as is true of all survey questions. What the authors failed to consider is that measurement error was entirely responsible for their results. In fact, once my colleagues and I accounted for that error, we found that there were essentially zero non-citizens who voted in recent elections.​

Now, review what "proof" actually is. It's not the Richman study.

Check.

Did you have to PROVE how stupid you are?????

Politico.....????

The source that sent its articles to Podesta for his OK??????


"#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story"
#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story

A few more articles to lay to rest your extremely weak thesis:

AP fact check: How do Trump's voter fraud allegations hold up?

Trump’s charge that he actually won the popular vote if the “millions of people who voted illegally” had not been counted mimics one posted on Infowars.com, a conservative website that traffics in conspiracy theories.​

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

In Wisconsin, Trump cited a 2014 Washington Post article titled “Could non-citizens decide the November election?” It was a piece penned by Old Dominion University professors Jesse Richman and David Earnest about research the two later published in the journal Electoral Studies. It turns out to be a disputed and very controversial study.

Trump accurately quotes from the blog post. But the authors’ results are contested by a number of academics, including those who administer and manage the data on which it is based.​

Fact check: Trump sticks with bogus voter fraud claims

“Their finding is entirely due to measurement error,” one of the authors, Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and the principal investigator of the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, told us. “Measurement errors happen. People accidentally check the wrong box in surveys. The rate of such errors in the CCES is very small, but such errors do happen. And when they do happen on a question such as citizenship, researchers can easily draw the wrong inference about voting behaviors. Richman and Earnest extrapolate from a handful of wrongfully classified cases (of non-citizens).”
Study cited as proof of vote fraud by Trump team misinterpreted, author says

Even if we assume the Richman and Earnest study is correct, Richman told us that it does not back Trump’s claim that noncitizen voting swung the popular vote in favor of Clinton.​

My turn?

Here's another one you can't answer:

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



LA Times:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Post Analysis: Diversionary Tactic #2 - wow them by making a connection with iIllegal aliens getting drivers license and implying high numbers of Illegals voting.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.
​

Why undocumented immigrants won’t take advantage of ‘motor voter’ law: Thomas Elias

Many Republicans predicted trouble the moment Gov. Jerry Brown signed the new measure into law last fall, with GOP activists predicting it would lead to state-sanctioned voter fraud and flood the voting rolls with non-citizens.

But this has not happened yet and probably never will.

That’s because the same rules that prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents will apply to everyone automatically registered to vote during visits to Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

The new law registers every eligible Californian who goes to the DMV to get or renew a driver’s license. Once Secretary of State Alex Padilla sets up a specific procedure to be followed in all offices, every eligible person who doesn’t opt out will be registered.
​

Diversion????

I'm making a direct statement: you're an imbecile.


"prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents"

Yup....these Democrat poll watchers check carefully who votes...

Oh. Wait. A picture of a small pathetic New Black Panthers group member, at the polls of (an almost 100% pro-Obama precinct) in 2012 is supposed reflect what happened in the 2016 election where there were at least as many pro-Trump poll watchers...and this is supposed to be some sort of "proof".

Third deflection noted. You really can't offer up any actual evidence of illegals voting in large numbers?

Review what constitutes evidence.

Check.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Nope, they elected one instead.

Sorry, PC, but you're going to have to go and do your copy and paste thing with that vote count. And a link to the source. Right now. We'll wait right here for you, sugar.

Now....watch me destroy you with two short questions.

Did any illegal aliens vote?

How many?

That's the question you need to answer giving the claims you made.

Glad you asked!


"Richman was the co-author of a 2014 study that looked at noncitizen voting in the 2008 and 2010 elections. In the comparable presidential election year, the Old Dominion study determined 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted in the 2008 presidential election, and about 81 percent of those voters backed Democrat Barack Obama."
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...tizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf


That rounds out to about 1 and a third million votes....


...and that was at a time when the issue was simply Barack Obama.

Now...when their future in America was at stake...and Obama telling then that there was no penalty for breaking the law.....heck, at least twice as many voted.


Now....if 6.4 percent on noncitizens in the United States voted last time

....and now
a. their icon, Obama, told them to vote and not be concerned that there would be any penalty (as per the video)

and...

b. the central issue in Trump's campaign was throwing them out of the nation that they invaded....


....ya' think maybe 13.2%....or 17.6%.....or more of 'em voted??????


You betcha'!!!!!!!


Trump won both the EC and the popular vote.

So you quote a document from 2014 blog...And speculate. Math is just too hard for you. Copying and pasting is not.

I quoted a study that indicates millions of illegals vote.

And you never disputed that the snake, Obama, told them to do so.


Yup....Trump won the popular vote.

You are quoting propaganda from 2014.

I seriously doubt he would have made a dent in those states - if he thought he could, he would have campaigned there.

What ballot manipulation? Be specific.

I already have in numerous other threads you were in. Once again, in several Detroit precincts there were several more votes than voters. Closer examination, bringing about the abrupt end of the recount, showed several Hillary votes had been run through the scanners multiple times. It's the easiest way to rig an outcome and the Rat party has been doing that, and worse, for decades.

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

..

It's up to the person who made the claim (that illegals voted in high numbers) to prove that 389,944 illegals voted and cost Trump the popular vote.

Let me remind you of what proof is not:
it's not hearsay
it's not implications and extrapolations
it's not allegations
it's not the rightwing wetdream to justify popularity or a mandate

Let me remind you of what proof is:
it's evidence of large numbers of illegals voting in Hillary's favor
It's hard evidence, facts and proof of criminal acts in voter fraud.

Otherwise, your claims are nothing more than a baby crying because he won the trophy prettiest baby but not the popularity contest.

What????

You need another slap up side the head???

No prob!


"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From Californiahttp://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/


Tissue?

Texas has comparable proportions of illegal immigrants to its overall population, and the state went to Trump. Sorry, PoliticalTwit, but you should try real math instead of conjecture.

A million fewer, you dope.

Not that it makes a bit of difference...there's no evidence they voted. Let's stick to facts.

"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



LA Times:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Increasing your font size only demonstrates your level of desperation. Tsk, tsk.

 

[Tom Horn]

No. I never said Russians rigged the election. I challenge Mr. Horn to put up the evidence.

I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did. That is all water under the bridge.

I've also said - repeatedly - there is no way to rig an entire presidential election to the non-centralized nature of our electoral process.

Now, Tom Horn - care to put up evidence for your claim? Or, is this just an attempt to attack the speaker because you don't have the evidence to effectively attack the argument?

Oh, brother! It's New Years Day and no, I won't go back through the numerous threads where you said the Ivans, not Hillary being a demented hag with no message, or Trump's cleverness in getting free media coverage and pushing the buttons of blue collar America, or Barry's idiot attempts to act like a president, were why the Donald won. I got football to watch and a pizza to devour....you know what you've claimed and so do many others.

 

[TheDude]

Liberals need the consolation prize. This is what happens when you reward people for losing.

 

[Coyote]

Pretty much everyone agrees you can't rig a national election in favor of any one candidate due to the non-centralized nature of our system.

WTF? First you claim the RUSSIANS rigged this election and now you're claiming it can't be done. There is a certain point in these threads where you are almost ready to see the light, and then you slam the window shut....followed by subject-changes, requests for links you won't read, and then you vanish and come back later to throw more chaff. You're a mod or some of us wouldn't be so civil in our replies to you....just sayin.

Did she really say the Russians rigged the election????

What a dope.

She's battin' below the Mendoza Line.

No. I never said Russians rigged the election. I challenge Mr. Horn to put up the evidence.

I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did. That is all water under the bridge.

I've also said - repeatedly - there is no way to rig an entire presidential election to the non-centralized nature of our electoral process.

Now, Tom Horn - care to put up evidence for your claim? Or, is this just an attempt to attack the speaker because you don't have the evidence to effectively attack the argument?

"I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did."

Of course there is....

....the proof that this 'fake news' tale of Russia changing the course of our election....

a. The day before any leaks, wikileaks or otherwise, the RealClearPolitics had Hillary at 48%

b. The election result gave Hillary 48.08% per the election.


Soooo......where is any....ANY....result due to Russia, Putin, Wiki, or Mickey Mouse????



Mendoza Line again.

Deflection #4: retarget argument to Russian Hackers
Fallacy #1: Fallacy: Personal Attack

Where is there any actual evidence of large numbers illegals voting for Clinton and winning her the popular vote?

Check.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The bimbo is a 2 time loser, in fact all totaled she lost 3 billion dollars pretending to be a viable candidate for President.

What did she win.

Well I heard she won her bout with John Podesta by a knockout after he told her that Trump won the election

they have lost the ability to have any pull --LOL

the "foundation" has been reduced to having to ask for donations once again



--LOL

 

[Coyote]

No. I never said Russians rigged the election. I challenge Mr. Horn to put up the evidence.

I said, and maintain, that the Russians were behind the hacking efforts and attempted to influence or disrupt the election. There is no way to ascertain whether it did or to what degree it did. That is all water under the bridge.

I've also said - repeatedly - there is no way to rig an entire presidential election to the non-centralized nature of our electoral process.

Now, Tom Horn - care to put up evidence for your claim? Or, is this just an attempt to attack the speaker because you don't have the evidence to effectively attack the argument?

Oh, brother! It's New Years Day and no, I won't go back through the numerous threads where you said the Ivans, not Hillary being a demented hag with no message, or Trump's cleverness in getting free media coverage and pushing the buttons of blue collar America, or Barry's idiot attempts to act like a president, were why the Donald won. I got football to watch and a pizza to devour....you know what you've claimed and so do many others.

If I said it in numerous threads you can easily find it. I'll own my remarks - I know what I have said and believe, and rigging elections is laughable to claim by either side. If you can't provide evidence, I'll assume you are a liar and a chicken shit Tom Horn.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you have to PROVE how stupid you are?????

Politico.....????

The source that sent its articles to Podesta for his OK??????


"#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story"
#PodestaEmails: Politico journalist seeks OK from Clinton before running story

A few more articles to lay to rest your extremely weak thesis:

AP fact check: How do Trump's voter fraud allegations hold up?

Trump’s charge that he actually won the popular vote if the “millions of people who voted illegally” had not been counted mimics one posted on Infowars.com, a conservative website that traffics in conspiracy theories.​

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

In Wisconsin, Trump cited a 2014 Washington Post article titled “Could non-citizens decide the November election?” It was a piece penned by Old Dominion University professors Jesse Richman and David Earnest about research the two later published in the journal Electoral Studies. It turns out to be a disputed and very controversial study.

Trump accurately quotes from the blog post. But the authors’ results are contested by a number of academics, including those who administer and manage the data on which it is based.​

Fact check: Trump sticks with bogus voter fraud claims

“Their finding is entirely due to measurement error,” one of the authors, Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and the principal investigator of the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, told us. “Measurement errors happen. People accidentally check the wrong box in surveys. The rate of such errors in the CCES is very small, but such errors do happen. And when they do happen on a question such as citizenship, researchers can easily draw the wrong inference about voting behaviors. Richman and Earnest extrapolate from a handful of wrongfully classified cases (of non-citizens).”
Study cited as proof of vote fraud by Trump team misinterpreted, author says

Even if we assume the Richman and Earnest study is correct, Richman told us that it does not back Trump’s claim that noncitizen voting swung the popular vote in favor of Clinton.​

My turn?

Here's another one you can't answer:

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



LA Times:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Post Analysis: Diversionary Tactic #2 - wow them by making a connection with iIllegal aliens getting drivers license and implying high numbers of Illegals voting.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.
​

Why undocumented immigrants won’t take advantage of ‘motor voter’ law: Thomas Elias

Many Republicans predicted trouble the moment Gov. Jerry Brown signed the new measure into law last fall, with GOP activists predicting it would lead to state-sanctioned voter fraud and flood the voting rolls with non-citizens.

But this has not happened yet and probably never will.

That’s because the same rules that prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents will apply to everyone automatically registered to vote during visits to Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

The new law registers every eligible Californian who goes to the DMV to get or renew a driver’s license. Once Secretary of State Alex Padilla sets up a specific procedure to be followed in all offices, every eligible person who doesn’t opt out will be registered.
​

Diversion????

I'm making a direct statement: you're an imbecile.


"prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents"

Yup....these Democrat poll watchers check carefully who votes...

Oh. Wait. A picture of a small pathetic New Black Panthers group member, at the polls of (an almost 100% pro-Obama precinct) in 2012 is supposed reflect what happened in the 2016 election where there were at least as many pro-Trump poll watchers...and this is supposed to be some sort of "proof".

Third deflection noted. You really can't offer up any actual evidence of illegals voting in large numbers?

Review what constitutes evidence.

Check.

You're simply not smart enough to recognize that you've been atomized.

 

[Coyote]

A few more articles to lay to rest your extremely weak thesis:

AP fact check: How do Trump's voter fraud allegations hold up?

Trump’s charge that he actually won the popular vote if the “millions of people who voted illegally” had not been counted mimics one posted on Infowars.com, a conservative website that traffics in conspiracy theories.​

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

In Wisconsin, Trump cited a 2014 Washington Post article titled “Could non-citizens decide the November election?” It was a piece penned by Old Dominion University professors Jesse Richman and David Earnest about research the two later published in the journal Electoral Studies. It turns out to be a disputed and very controversial study.

Trump accurately quotes from the blog post. But the authors’ results are contested by a number of academics, including those who administer and manage the data on which it is based.​

Fact check: Trump sticks with bogus voter fraud claims

“Their finding is entirely due to measurement error,” one of the authors, Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and the principal investigator of the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, told us. “Measurement errors happen. People accidentally check the wrong box in surveys. The rate of such errors in the CCES is very small, but such errors do happen. And when they do happen on a question such as citizenship, researchers can easily draw the wrong inference about voting behaviors. Richman and Earnest extrapolate from a handful of wrongfully classified cases (of non-citizens).”
Study cited as proof of vote fraud by Trump team misinterpreted, author says

Even if we assume the Richman and Earnest study is correct, Richman told us that it does not back Trump’s claim that noncitizen voting swung the popular vote in favor of Clinton.​

My turn?

Here's another one you can't answer:

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



LA Times:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

Post Analysis: Diversionary Tactic #2 - wow them by making a connection with iIllegal aliens getting drivers license and implying high numbers of Illegals voting.

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote.
​

Why undocumented immigrants won’t take advantage of ‘motor voter’ law: Thomas Elias

Many Republicans predicted trouble the moment Gov. Jerry Brown signed the new measure into law last fall, with GOP activists predicting it would lead to state-sanctioned voter fraud and flood the voting rolls with non-citizens.

But this has not happened yet and probably never will.

That’s because the same rules that prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents will apply to everyone automatically registered to vote during visits to Department of Motor Vehicles offices.

The new law registers every eligible Californian who goes to the DMV to get or renew a driver’s license. Once Secretary of State Alex Padilla sets up a specific procedure to be followed in all offices, every eligible person who doesn’t opt out will be registered.
​

Diversion????

I'm making a direct statement: you're an imbecile.


"prevent undocumented immigrants from receiving the same type of California driver’s license as citizens or legal residents"

Yup....these Democrat poll watchers check carefully who votes...

Oh. Wait. A picture of a small pathetic New Black Panthers group member, at the polls of (an almost 100% pro-Obama precinct) in 2012 is supposed reflect what happened in the 2016 election where there were at least as many pro-Trump poll watchers...and this is supposed to be some sort of "proof".

Third deflection noted. You really can't offer up any actual evidence of illegals voting in large numbers?

Review what constitutes evidence.

Check.

You're simply not smart enough to recognize that you've been atomized.

Checkmate: PC reduced to blithering insults.

Argument over.