Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[Mick2]

Now you are just being obtuse.

Cohen’s crimes occurred well before Trumps money laundering through his company.

Do yes, the underlying crime was the “initial” crime were “initial” means first in a sequence of events occurring over a timeline.

WW

Trump wasn't charged with laundering money.

 

[Southern Dad]

Show me time served by Trump... because if he was convicted of a felony he would have done time...
Its simple... do that and you will be right... until then you are just a dumbass....

Wow, you are still posting the same ignorance. Does every person convicted of a felony serve time? Is that a requirement of being convicted? No, it’s not. The fact still remains that Trump was convicted of 34 counts of falsifying a business expense. It was a witch hunt, a political prosecution but he was indeed convicted.

The fact that you refuse to accept that, to do any research before posting, really shows the author of this thread is right with you being an example.

 

[Southern Dad]

They can later.

See above, they still find out.

That's 34 convictions on 34 counts.

They don't combine counts.

The point is that Trump being convicted of 34 counts did not stop the people, the voters from deciding that he was the one they wanted for the job.

 

[Southern Dad]

You know, as well as everyone else, that the conviction will get tossed on appeal whether that's in NY or SCOTUS. It's as sure as the Colorado ballot stunt Dems tried to pull. The number of Constitutional violations by Bragg and Merchan was appalling.

I also believe the appeal will be successful. Although, how long it will take, who knows.

 

[candycorn]

I don't know the exact percentage of the vote he got. I just know that he was elected to be our President and gobsmacked the hell out of DEI KamelToe Harris. That fact makes your blood boil!

49 and some change

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The point is that Trump being convicted of 34 counts did not stop the people, the voters from deciding that he was the one they wanted for the job.

No, it isn't.

Post 1228.

"Only in America".

"A person with 34 felonies couldn't get a job at 7-11, but they CAN be a politician".

 

[Correll]

No, it isn't.

Post 1228.

"Only in America".

"A person with 34 felonies couldn't get a job at 7-11, but they CAN be a politician".

Everyone knows that the convictions were bullshit. So, what's your point?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Everyone knows that the convictions were bullshit.

No, they aren't.

Only in the Trump cults delusional minds believe that.

So, what's your point?

See above.

 

[Correll]

No, they aren't.

Only in the Trump cults delusional minds believe that.


See above.

Do you want a civil war?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Do you want a civil war?

LOL.

The only idiots that want that are Trump and his cult.
Why waste all that time and aggravation and just move to Russia?
Where your daddy is going to escape to, when the Epstein files expose the corrupt pervert.
It's the Trump cults utopia.

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[Rambunctious]

Wow, you are still posting the same ignorance. Does every person convicted of a felony serve time?

Okay dumbshit... when was he sentenced and what was his sentence... two simple little but important questions....
Was he sentenced to jail time?... or a fine?... or probation... NO...

He was never sentenced because the case was dismissed by this guy...

Judge Engoron....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's 34 convictions on 34 counts.

They don't combine counts.

They like to stack them.

 

[Kondor3]

Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

They're willing to overlook the lightweight "falsifying business records in New York" charges because he tells them what they want to hear and promises to rid the country of the worst of Leftist-Democrat policy insanity?

That doesn't mean that he actually DELIVERS on most of what he promises... but he tells them what they need to hear.

In hopes of those promises actually materializing some day... they're willing to look the other way for Lightweight stuff.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[WorldWatcher]

Okay dumbshit... when was he sentenced and what was his sentence... two simple little but important questions....
Was he sentenced to jail time?... or a fine?... or probation... NO...

He was never sentenced because the case was dismissed by this guy...
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Judge Engoron....

#1 He was sentenced in his criminal case on January 10th, 2025. The conviction by the the jury was formally entered into the record and the sentence was "unconditional discharge" meaning the conviction remained, but no fine or prison time was awarded because Mr. Trump was about to be sworn in as President.

#2 His criminal case judge was Judge Merchan, not Judge Engoron. Judge Engoron was the presiding judge in the New York state civil case. Judge Kaplan (no relation to the E. Jean Carrol lawyer) presided over the E. Jean Carroll civil cases.

It helps to know basic facts.

WW

 

[Political-Junkie]

Any fact that enhances punishment exposure must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt by a unanimous jury. That's Apprendi. That was not done per the trial judge's unconstitutional instructions to the jury in this case. In order to upgrade business record falsifying to a felony Trump had to be guilty of violating 17-152.

Heres the catch. Trump could not be guilty of violating 17-152 unless a jury unanimously determined what Trump did unlawfully so that the Apprendi requirement was met. This was explained clearly by the link in post 1241. Go back and read the link.

It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially in terms of Cohen's illegal campaign contribution. Which he was indicted for, convicted and sentenced over. There is no beyond a reasonable doubt bigger than that, from what I can tell.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Prosecutors cannot just allege something to achieve guilt. They must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt by unanimous jury.

They did.

1. Prosecutors presented evidence that Trump conspired with Cohen to make an illegal campaign contribution to Trump's campaign in order to unlawfully influence the election.

2. Prosecutors presented evidence to show Cohen made an illegal campaign contribution to Trump's campaign.

3. Prosecutors presented evidence that the Trump Organization reimbursed Michael Cohen by essentially doubling his payout (calling it "income" rather than a reimbursement) so that he would be left whole after taxes, thereby mischaracterizing the transaction for tax purposes.

 

[Political-Junkie]

"Promoting a campaign" isn't illegal.
Committing a misdemeanor to "promote a campaign" doesn't turn it into a felony.

Which he did by paying a porn star to not speak about an alleged affair years earlier.

Which isn't illegal. Or a campaign expense.

Promoting a campaign is illegal if it's done unlawfully, which they did by having Cohen make an illegal campaign contribution.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Just like your armed robbery analogy. To upgrade a charge from robbery to armed robbery, prosecutors need only convince a jury the robber was armed. The jury doesn't have to unanimously agree on the weapons the robber was armed with.

Exactly!
It could be a gun, a knife or the guy's finger in his pocket.
DURR

Glad you agree.

 

[Political-Junkie]

Were you present at the time or is this only what you imagine happened?

No, but Cohen was. And in direct contradiction to Trump's initial claims he had no knowledge of any of that taking place, prosecutors presented evidence in the trial of Trump and Cohen conspiring how to pay Pecker for his catch and kill. Lending Cohen a modicum of credibility.