Why do temperatures plummet for tens of thousands of years after CO2 peaks?

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425,000 years ago CO2 peaks at 290 PPM temperatures plummet for the NEXT 75,000 YEARS!

325,000 years ago, CO2 peaks again at 300 PPM, once again, temperatures plummet for the NEXT 90,000 YEARS!

Maybe CO2 does NOT drive temperature?
 
Asked and answered many times by me you Blithering Clocksucker.


Scientists have been able to measure radiation-in/radiation-out directly and precisely for more than 50 years.
Radiation-in has not changed as the earth warmed.
Radiation reflected back out is being blocked at the exact spectral wavelengths of the GHGs (Greenhouse gases)

CO2 is not the only GHG. (water vapor, Methane, etc)
Methane/CH4 is 20-80 as powerful. (from livestock), and the snowball effect of other GHG warming which releases more methane from the warming oceans and melting tundra.
CO2 is up from 280 PPM to 410, mainly in the last 70 (of 170) years.
Methane has Tripled.

Previous warming cycles were caused by orbital changes of angle or distance leading to more radiation-in, aka 'solar forcing.'
We/they know that is/was Not the case this time.

GHGs, as serious Deniers know/use, usually LAG that solar forcing... but this time are leading it! Because they also contribute to warming even in a natural cycle. (GHG definition).
This cycle was Not caused by increased solar energy but rather those gases increased/blanket thickened at an unprecedented rate Compared to natural cycles.

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This information has been banned from public viewing. You may face severe sanctions for going against the globalist's agenda: be prepared to lose your job, your retirement account, and your personal possessions.

But yeah. Correlation does not equal causation. I repeatedly asked for anyone to lay out the case in scientific terms WHY they fear rising CO2 levels, and even if CO2 is a cause of warming and not just correlated with warming, why do they fear rising temperatures?

Life on Earth will flourish with adequate CO2 in the atmosphere. I guess they just don't like life. CO2 fear mongers appear to be suicidal.

[HERE ARE SOME LINKS: SAVE THEM IF THEY ARE STILL ACTIVE FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE...THE MAJORITY OF THE INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY AGREES]

Study: Global plant growth surging alongside carbon dioxide

Higher Carbon Dioxide Levels Prompt More Plant Growth, But Fewer Nutrients

Ask the Experts: Does Rising CO2 Benefit Plants?
Climate change’s negative effects on plants will likely outweigh any gains from elevated atmospheric carbon dioxide levels

Wild Plants Respond to Climate Change Quicker Than Science Suggested

More CO2 means more plant growth.

Minimum and maximum (or rather, optimal) level of CO2 for plant growth

Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations At 400 PPM Are Still Dangerously Low For Life On Earth

CO2: 400ppm and Growing

HUGE FINDING: Higher CO2 makes food crops and herbs more nutritious and medicinal Friday, June 17, 2022 by: Lance D Johnson

SEE ACTUAL STUDY PAPER DOWNLOADED:
Connolly_2021_Res._Astron._Atrophys._.21_131.pdf




The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare

Study Verifies adsorption of CO2 by ocean water

"The Ocean's Carbon Balance"

"For eons, the world’s oceans have been sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and releasing it again in a steady inhale and exhale. The ocean takes up carbon dioxide through photosynthesis by plant-like organisms (phytoplankton), as well as by simple chemistry: carbon dioxide dissolves in water. "

"After 30 years of measurements, the ocean carbon community is realizing that tracking human-induced changes in the ocean is not as easy as they thought it would be."...in other words they did not measure the expected change as predicted by their hypothesis: the original hypothisis [that the ocean would stop absorbing CO2 within the ranges we have] is not supported by the evidence.


The reaction of carbon dioxide with water

CO2(aq) + H2O(l) ⇌ H+(aq) + HCO3–(aq)

CO2 also reacts with NaOH. This reaction produces the less alkaline Na2CO3:

2NaOH(aq) + CO2(g) → Na2CO3(aq) + H2O(l)

Why “carbon dioxide + water → glucose + oxygen” is the most important equation in biology
carbon dioxide + water → glucose + oxygen
6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Supercritical carbon dioxide–brine–rock reactions in the Madison Limestone of Southwest Wyoming: An experimental investigation of a sulfur-rich natural carbon dioxide reservoir


A review of carbon dioxide sequestration by mineral carbonation of industrial byproduct gypsum


"The global average carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere reached 407 ppm in 2018 compared to that from a preindustrial baseline of 280 ppm (Blunden and Arndt, 2019)."

Does Correlation equal Causation?
A Brief History of Carbon Dioxide Measurements


Carbon Dioxide in Equilibrium
"As with other gases, the solubility of carbon dioxide in water decreases as the temperature increases. You can see this for yourself by observing what happens when you heat a can of soda."

WCRP Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (Phase 6)

"The Coupled Model Intercomparison Project, which began in 1995 under the auspices of the World Climate Research Programme (WCRP), is now in its sixth phase (CMIP6). CMIP6 coordinates somewhat independent model intercomparison activities and their experiments which have adopted a common infrastructure for collecting, organizing, and distributing output from models performing common sets of experiments."

How Much Fossil Fuels Are Left, & When Will We Run Out?

Counting Carbon Molecules: The New IFRS Sustainability Disclosure Standard and Why Canadian Hydrocarbon Companies Must Respond to Consultations Now

 
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Asked and answered many times by me you Blithering Clocksucker.


Scientists have been able to measure radiation-in/radiation-out directly and precisely for more than 50 years.
Radiation-in has not changed as the earth warmed.
Radiation reflected back out is being blocked at the exact spectral wavelengths of the GHGs (Greenhouse gases)

CO2 is not the only GHG. (water vapor, Methane, etc)
Methane/CH4 is 20-80 as powerful. (from livestock), and the snowball effect of other GHG warming which releases more methane from the warming oceans and melting tundra.
CO2 is up from 280 PPM to 410, mainly in the last 70 (of 170) years.
Methane has Tripled.

Previous warming cycles were caused by orbital changes of angle or distance leading to more radiation-in, aka 'solar forcing.'
We/they know that is/was Not the case this time.

GHGs, as serious Deniers know/use, usually LAG that solar forcing... but this time are leading it! Because they also contribute to warming even in a natural cycle. (GHG definition).
This cycle was Not caused by increased solar energy but rather those gases increased/blanket thickened at an unprecedented rate Compared to natural cycles.

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So CO2 only started driving climate 150 years ago, is that right???

All the times temperatures plummeted AFTER CO2 peaked was because of what magic beans?
 
So CO2 only started driving climate 150 years ago, is that right???

All the times temperatures plummeted AFTER CO2 peaked was because of what magic beans?
Temperatures and CO2 (which again LAGS in a NATURAL Cycle) both plummeted due to solar forcing or end of same.
That is the cycles of the Sun and earth Tilt which enable earth to get more or less solar radiation/heat.

Scientists have directly measured Radiation-in for the lat 50+ years.
Virtually Unchanged.
Radiation that would have normally been reflected back out however, has increasingly been Blocked/Trapped at the exact spectral wavelengths of the ever Denser CO2/GHG Blanket.
That is the difference.

I've explained this 100 times.

But you are a 52 IQ Dumpster fire and an OCD Partisan HACK.
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425,000 years ago CO2 peaks at 290 PPM temperatures plummet for the NEXT 75,000 YEARS!

325,000 years ago, CO2 peaks again at 300 PPM, once again, temperatures plummet for the NEXT 90,000 YEARS!

Maybe CO2 does NOT drive temperature?



That chart has always been hard to explain.

A regularly repeating volcano would be a spike up, not down.

Ice ages are not as fast as Dennis Quaide would like, they are actually glacial...
 
This information has been banned from public viewing. You may face severe sanctions for going against the globalist's agenda: be prepared to lose your job, your retirement account, and your personal possessions.

But yeah. Correlation does not equal causation. I repeatedly asked for anyone to lay out the case in scientific terms WHY they fear rising CO2 levels, and even if CO2 is a cause of warming and not just correlated with warming, why do they fear rising temperatures?

Life on Earth will flourish with adequate CO2 in the atmosphere. I guess they just don't like life. CO2 fear mongers appear to be suicidal.

[HERE ARE SOME LINKS: SAVE THEM IF THEY ARE STILL ACTIVE FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE...THE MAJORITY OF THE INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY AGREES]

Study: Global plant growth surging alongside carbon dioxide

Higher Carbon Dioxide Levels Prompt More Plant Growth, But Fewer Nutrients

Ask the Experts: Does Rising CO2 Benefit Plants?
Climate change’s negative effects on plants will likely outweigh any gains from elevated atmospheric carbon dioxide levels

Wild Plants Respond to Climate Change Quicker Than Science Suggested

More CO2 means more plant growth.

Minimum and maximum (or rather, optimal) level of CO2 for plant growth

Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations At 400 PPM Are Still Dangerously Low For Life On Earth

CO2: 400ppm and Growing

HUGE FINDING: Higher CO2 makes food crops and herbs more nutritious and medicinal Friday, June 17, 2022 by: Lance D Johnson

SEE ACTUAL STUDY PAPER DOWNLOADED:
Connolly_2021_Res._Astron._Atrophys._.21_131.pdf




The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare

Study Verifies adsorption of CO2 by ocean water

"The Ocean's Carbon Balance"

"For eons, the world’s oceans have been sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and releasing it again in a steady inhale and exhale. The ocean takes up carbon dioxide through photosynthesis by plant-like organisms (phytoplankton), as well as by simple chemistry: carbon dioxide dissolves in water. "

"After 30 years of measurements, the ocean carbon community is realizing that tracking human-induced changes in the ocean is not as easy as they thought it would be."...in other words they did not measure the expected change as predicted by their hypothesis: the original hypothisis [that the ocean would stop absorbing CO2 within the ranges we have] is not supported by the evidence.


The reaction of carbon dioxide with water

CO2(aq) + H2O(l) ⇌ H+(aq) + HCO3–(aq)

CO2 also reacts with NaOH. This reaction produces the less alkaline Na2CO3:

2NaOH(aq) + CO2(g) → Na2CO3(aq) + H2O(l)

Why “carbon dioxide + water → glucose + oxygen” is the most important equation in biology
carbon dioxide + water → glucose + oxygen
6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Supercritical carbon dioxide–brine–rock reactions in the Madison Limestone of Southwest Wyoming: An experimental investigation of a sulfur-rich natural carbon dioxide reservoir


A review of carbon dioxide sequestration by mineral carbonation of industrial byproduct gypsum


"The global average carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere reached 407 ppm in 2018 compared to that from a preindustrial baseline of 280 ppm (Blunden and Arndt, 2019)."

Does Correlation equal Causation?
A Brief History of Carbon Dioxide Measurements


Carbon Dioxide in Equilibrium
"As with other gases, the solubility of carbon dioxide in water decreases as the temperature increases. You can see this for yourself by observing what happens when you heat a can of soda."

WCRP Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (Phase 6)

"The Coupled Model Intercomparison Project, which began in 1995 under the auspices of the World Climate Research Programme (WCRP), is now in its sixth phase (CMIP6). CMIP6 coordinates somewhat independent model intercomparison activities and their experiments which have adopted a common infrastructure for collecting, organizing, and distributing output from models performing common sets of experiments."

How Much Fossil Fuels Are Left, & When Will We Run Out?

Counting Carbon Molecules: The New IFRS Sustainability Disclosure Standard and Why Canadian Hydrocarbon Companies Must Respond to Consultations Now


Oh look, a 24 Link insecure FREAK just to tell us plants would do better if it goes up!

Plants AND animals (ie dinosaurs) did great with more CO2 and more heat!!!

And there were no Ice Poles, and ergo Sea Level would be 230 feet Higher now.
Wiping out a Large part of our Cities/Coasts/Living Area.




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This information has been banned from public viewing. You may face severe sanctions for going against the globalist's agenda: be prepared to lose your job, your retirement account, and your personal possessions.

But yeah. Correlation does not equal causation. I repeatedly asked for anyone to lay out the case in scientific terms WHY they fear rising CO2 levels, and even if CO2 is a cause of warming and not just correlated with warming, why do they fear rising temperatures?

Life on Earth will flourish with adequate CO2 in the atmosphere. I guess they just don't like life. CO2 fear mongers appear to be suicidal.

[HERE ARE SOME LINKS: SAVE THEM IF THEY ARE STILL ACTIVE FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE...THE MAJORITY OF THE INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY AGREES]

Study: Global plant growth surging alongside carbon dioxide

Higher Carbon Dioxide Levels Prompt More Plant Growth, But Fewer Nutrients

Ask the Experts: Does Rising CO2 Benefit Plants?
Climate change’s negative effects on plants will likely outweigh any gains from elevated atmospheric carbon dioxide levels

Wild Plants Respond to Climate Change Quicker Than Science Suggested

More CO2 means more plant growth.

Minimum and maximum (or rather, optimal) level of CO2 for plant growth

Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations At 400 PPM Are Still Dangerously Low For Life On Earth

CO2: 400ppm and Growing

HUGE FINDING: Higher CO2 makes food crops and herbs more nutritious and medicinal Friday, June 17, 2022 by: Lance D Johnson

SEE ACTUAL STUDY PAPER DOWNLOADED:
Connolly_2021_Res._Astron._Atrophys._.21_131.pdf




The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare

Study Verifies adsorption of CO2 by ocean water

"The Ocean's Carbon Balance"

"For eons, the world’s oceans have been sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and releasing it again in a steady inhale and exhale. The ocean takes up carbon dioxide through photosynthesis by plant-like organisms (phytoplankton), as well as by simple chemistry: carbon dioxide dissolves in water. "

"After 30 years of measurements, the ocean carbon community is realizing that tracking human-induced changes in the ocean is not as easy as they thought it would be."...in other words they did not measure the expected change as predicted by their hypothesis: the original hypothisis [that the ocean would stop absorbing CO2 within the ranges we have] is not supported by the evidence.


The reaction of carbon dioxide with water

CO2(aq) + H2O(l) ⇌ H+(aq) + HCO3–(aq)

CO2 also reacts with NaOH. This reaction produces the less alkaline Na2CO3:

2NaOH(aq) + CO2(g) → Na2CO3(aq) + H2O(l)

Why “carbon dioxide + water → glucose + oxygen” is the most important equation in biology
carbon dioxide + water → glucose + oxygen
6CO2 + 6H2O → C6H12O6 + 6O2

Supercritical carbon dioxide–brine–rock reactions in the Madison Limestone of Southwest Wyoming: An experimental investigation of a sulfur-rich natural carbon dioxide reservoir


A review of carbon dioxide sequestration by mineral carbonation of industrial byproduct gypsum


"The global average carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere reached 407 ppm in 2018 compared to that from a preindustrial baseline of 280 ppm (Blunden and Arndt, 2019)."

Does Correlation equal Causation?
A Brief History of Carbon Dioxide Measurements


Carbon Dioxide in Equilibrium
"As with other gases, the solubility of carbon dioxide in water decreases as the temperature increases. You can see this for yourself by observing what happens when you heat a can of soda."

WCRP Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (Phase 6)

"The Coupled Model Intercomparison Project, which began in 1995 under the auspices of the World Climate Research Programme (WCRP), is now in its sixth phase (CMIP6). CMIP6 coordinates somewhat independent model intercomparison activities and their experiments which have adopted a common infrastructure for collecting, organizing, and distributing output from models performing common sets of experiments."

How Much Fossil Fuels Are Left, & When Will We Run Out?

Counting Carbon Molecules: The New IFRS Sustainability Disclosure Standard and Why Canadian Hydrocarbon Companies Must Respond to Consultations Now

Stellar!

Yeah, why did they stop talking about CO2 bleaching all the corals?
 
Temperatures and CO2 (which again LAGS in a NATURAL Cycle) both plummeted due to solar forcing or end of same.
That is the cycles of the Sun and earth Tilt which enable earth to get more or less solar radiation/heat.

Scientists have directly measured Radiation-in for the lat 50+ years.
Virtually Unchanged.
Radiation that would have normally been reflected back out however, has increasingly been Blocked/Trapped at the exact spectral wavelengths of the ever Denser CO2/GHG Blanket.
That is the difference.

I've explained this 100 times.

But you are a 52 IQ Dumpster fire and an OCD Partisan HACK.
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So it’s only modern CO2 that has this heat trapping ability?

The chart shows that CO2 lags temperatures 100% of the time.

Why do you think modern CO2 is different?
 
Stellar!

Yeah, why did they stop talking about CO2 bleaching all the corals?
Well, for one thing, "they" have not been studying coral reefs for very long...less than 100 years, afaik.

So basically the scientists saw something they didn't understand (coral 'die off' and 'bleeching'), and immediately assumed it was related to something else they had recently eaten for class.

Fact is, maybe those reefs have a natural life cycle of many decades? Or maybe they were already sick, but without sufficient CO2 they started to die off after the last ice age? Perhaps mankinds actions (burning fossil fuels) actually saved them...all part of God's plan.

The sure as heck have been silent lately, now that most of them have started to re-bloom.

I Do Not Know.
 
Temperatures and CO2 (which again LAGS in a NATURAL Cycle) both plummeted due to solar forcing or end of same.
That is the cycles of the Sun and earth Tilt which enable earth to get more or less solar radiation/heat.

Scientists have directly measured Radiation-in for the lat 50+ years.
Virtually Unchanged.
Radiation that would have normally been reflected back out however, has increasingly been Blocked/Trapped at the exact spectral wavelengths of the ever Denser CO2/GHG Blanket.
That is the difference.

I've explained this 100 times.

But you are a 52 IQ Dumpster fire and an OCD Partisan HACK.
`
`
So CO2 does NOT drive climate?
 
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So it’s only modern CO2 that has this heat trapping ability?

The chart shows that CO2 lags temperatures 100% of the time.

Why do you think modern CO2 is different?


LOL!!!

All about whether or not Earth is growing or thawing its continent specific ice ages.

Co2 is a byproduct. It has nothing to do with it. It gets trapped in ice, and escapes when ice melts.
 
LOL!!!

All about whether or not Earth is growing or thawing its continent specific ice ages.

Co2 is a byproduct. It has nothing to do with it. It gets trapped in ice, and escapes when ice melts.

DING DING DING!!! WINNER!!!
 
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