Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

[Big Fitz]

I'm just curious who's sock you are. I find it amusing that the "science is so settled crowd" has so little support that you AGW cultisits have to go out and create multiple personalities to support your BS ideas. It's the "PAL review" absurdity in microcosm.

Laughable, if it weren't so pathetic.

You know, sock puppetry would explain why we don't see Chris, Crocks and a few other chicken littles posting here.

 

[kaz]

I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid

Why do you believe that?

 

[Sweet Willy]

I'm just curious who's sock you are. I find it amusing that the "science is so settled crowd" has so little support that you AGW cultisits have to go out and create multiple personalities to support your BS ideas. It's the "PAL review" absurdity in microcosm.

Laughable, if it weren't so pathetic.

It's pretty weird that you still want to lump me in with the AGW crowd. I do not and have not subscribed to AGW, not here, not anywhere. I have in fact, repeatedly told you that I don't support AGW.

But hey, what ever you need to imagine to keep your world in order.

 

[Sweet Willy]

I'm just curious who's sock you are. I find it amusing that the "science is so settled crowd" has so little support that you AGW cultisits have to go out and create multiple personalities to support your BS ideas. It's the "PAL review" absurdity in microcosm.

Laughable, if it weren't so pathetic.

You know, sock puppetry would explain why we don't see Chris, Crocks and a few other chicken littles posting here.

Oh boy...

When all else fails, you guys start dreaming up conspiracy theories.

I am not a sock puppet.

 

[Liability]

I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?

Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

Global warming? Most folks see evidence of that and do believe in it.

AGW, by contrast? No. That IS seen as a political issue because it is. It is not based on science. It is based on political beliefs superimposed on to some fraudulent science-like "reporting."

 

[The T]

I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?

Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

Global warming? Most folks see evidence of that and do believe in it.

AGW, by contrast? No. That IS seen as a political issue because it is. It is not based on science. It is based on political beliefs superimposed on to some fraudulent science-like "reporting."

And used as a mechinism for the unwashed dupes to belive in something that doesn't exists as far as man creating it.

It's a tool to lead the dumbmasses toward being good citizens and NOT questioning intent of those in charge...ever.

 

[Big Fitz]

I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?

Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

Global warming? Most folks see evidence of that and do believe in it.

AGW, by contrast? No. That IS seen as a political issue because it is. It is not based on science. It is based on political beliefs superimposed on to some fraudulent science-like "reporting."

And used as a mechinism for the unwashed dupes to belive in something that doesn't exists as far as man creating it.

It's a tool to lead the dumbmasses toward being good citizens and NOT questioning intent of those in charge...ever.

Global Warming is to global Socialism and tyranny
as tortilla chips are to guacamole and salsa.

It's only a delivery system

 

[The T]

Why do some take belief in Global Warming as a political issue?

Global warming? Most folks see evidence of that and do believe in it.

AGW, by contrast? No. That IS seen as a political issue because it is. It is not based on science. It is based on political beliefs superimposed on to some fraudulent science-like "reporting."

And used as a mechinism for the unwashed dupes to belive in something that doesn't exists as far as man creating it.

It's a tool to lead the dumbmasses toward being good citizens and NOT questioning intent of those in charge...ever.

Global Warming is to global Socialism and tyranny
as tortilla chips are to guacamole and salsa.

It's only a delivery system

What he said^^

 

[buckeye45_73]

I believe the science of climate change and global warming is pretty solid. But I've been called a liberal or democrat/progressive on that alone.

Now, I never said I think Al Gore's carbon trading scam or whatever was the best solution, just that I believe the science....

So why is this belief treated as if reflects on my political leanings one way or another by so many others?

Well I'll assume you arent trolling. The issue is the globe may or may not be warming. The idea of humans doing it is a joke.
Things like volanic eruptions put out tons of pollutants, then we here cattle causes more pollution than cars (is that because liberals hate carnivores or is it true, with liberals and made up stats it's hard to tell), becuase if cattle is like that, then humans dont really effect the environment that much.
You know the Earth has had ice ages and come out of them, without any industiral/modern technology effecting it, and why do liberals make up stuff? IF it's so airtight, they wouldnt have to edit photos, make up statistics, then say ooops, we now meant 1000 years instead of 100 years. If you have fact you dont need to do that.
So why would us common folk give up stuff that rich liberals wont (they love private jets, limos, suvs, ect; we love commercial air, cars, suvs, climate controlled homes), basically it's a ploy to allow rich liberals to be an aristocracy while the rest of us have the quality of life as the average Cuban. No thanks

 

[citizenal]

Global warming is a political issue because some scientist’s subscribe to it and some don't. This being the case, the debate is on and that's politics. However, we all are missing the real problem by focusing on this single issue. The truth of the matter is that their are just too many people in the world and whether or not the present rise in world temperatures is attributable to over-population is irrelevant because if it isn't, it soon will be. And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection.

Anyone who doesn’t think we are in deep and serious trouble as a species is……..well let’s just say not playing with a full deck of cards. The problem is that like the good little drones we are brainwashed to be, we focus on one issue and by so doing miss the big picture. The big picture is that us and most other living things in world are in deep doo doo because our New World Order masters could care less about what happens to us because they believe the power and money they have stolen from us will insulate them from the fate the rest of us peasants will share. This is the truth. The people who presently lead us are really that stupid. And what's even worse, these idiots have outsmarted us and even though this is obvious to the villiage idiot, we still vote on election day thinking that doing so will change something.

Pardon me while I go change my shorts. They are soaking wet.

 

[westwall]

Global warming is a political issue because some scientist’s subscribe to it and some don't. This being the case, the debate is on and that's politics. However, we all are missing the real problem by focusing on this single issue. The truth of the matter is that their are just too many people in the world and whether or not the present rise in world temperatures is attributable to over-population is irrelevant because if it isn't, it soon will be. And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection.

Anyone who doesn’t think we are in deep and serious trouble as a species is……..well let’s just say not playing with a full deck of cards. The problem is that like the good little drones we are brainwashed to be, we focus on one issue and by so doing miss the big picture. The big picture is that us and most other living things in world are in deep doo doo because our New World Order masters could care less about what happens to us because they believe the power and money they have stolen from us will insulate them from the fate the rest of us peasants will share. This is the truth. The people who presently lead us are really that stupid. And what's even worse, these idiots have outsmarted us and even though this is obvious to the villiage idiot, we still vote on election day thinking that doing so will change something.

Pardon me while I go change my shorts. They are soaking wet.

And that's the rub isn't it. You folks allways claim that mankind is in "deep and serious trouble" yet can not point to anything that is truly serious. Instead you have to make crap up. Here's the deal. There are 7 billion of us on this planet. That is successful by any margin. The only thing that can truly wipe us out is an asteroid strike which you folks conveniently ignore because that doesn't allow you to put in place your governmental "solutions".

 

[The T]

Global warming is a political issue because some scientist’s subscribe to it and some don't. This being the case, the debate is on and that's politics. However, we all are missing the real problem by focusing on this single issue. The truth of the matter is that their are just too many people in the world and whether or not the present rise in world temperatures is attributable to over-population is irrelevant because if it isn't, it soon will be. And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection.

Anyone who doesn’t think we are in deep and serious trouble as a species is……..well let’s just say not playing with a full deck of cards. The problem is that like the good little drones we are brainwashed to be, we focus on one issue and by so doing miss the big picture. The big picture is that us and most other living things in world are in deep doo doo because our New World Order masters could care less about what happens to us because they believe the power and money they have stolen from us will insulate them from the fate the rest of us peasants will share. This is the truth. The people who presently lead us are really that stupid. And what's even worse, these idiots have outsmarted us and even though this is obvious to the villiage idiot, we still vote on election day thinking that doing so will change something.

Pardon me while I go change my shorts. They are soaking wet.

And that's the rub isn't it. You folks allways claim that mankind is in "deep and serious trouble" yet can not point to anything that is truly serious. Instead you have to make crap up. Here's the deal. There are 7 billion of us on this planet. That is successful by any margin. The only thing that can truly wipe us out is an asteroid strike which you folks conveniently ignore because that doesn't allow you to put in place your governmental "solutions".

Thier solutions are hogtying individuals just living thier lives as they see fit while being good stewards of thier own local environment.

That doesn't seem to matter. Just tow the line and shut up is the AGW mantra.

 

[citizenal]

[/QUOTE]And that's the rub isn't it. You folks allways claim that mankind is in "deep and serious trouble" yet can not point to anything that is truly serious. Instead you have to make crap up. Here's the deal. There are 7 billion of us on this planet. That is successful by any margin. The only thing that can truly wipe us out is an asteroid strike which you folks conveniently ignore because that doesn't allow you to put in place your governmental "solutions".[/QUOTE]

Whoa Pilgrim!

How can you say I haven't pointed out anything which is truly serious? In my previous post I said, "And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection." Do you mean to say that you really do not think that ever growning dead zones and fishstock depletion in worlds oceans are not serious issues. If so, then please tell what your definition of a serious issue is and give us one hypothetical exanmple?

Secondly, I never said anything about "wiping us out". It should be clear that I am talking about issues with potential to make life on earth a living hell, not wipe us out. You are also wrong when you say that 7 billion people presently living on earth is successful by any margin. Yes, there are presently 7 billion of us living here, but the fact you ignore is that presently we are on borrowed time becasue a population of 7 billion at our present life style is not sustainable as evidenced by all the things that I listed in my previous post which are going wrong. Successful means sustainable and sustainable at 7 billion we are not unless everyone here, excepting the Elites of course, takes a severe hit on lifestyle.

I reread my post and found nothing abouts solutions. Why talk of solutions until we can agree on what the problems are?

 

[Big Fitz]

And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection."

This... in common parlance is known as fear mongering. Or threat inflation.

We've been hearing screams of this since the 1970's and they've been wrong 100% of the time. The track record of doom and destruction has been an abysmal failure on the Chicken Little crowd. The only way to make their cries of fear any more pathetic is to put a sandwich board on them saying "The End Is Near" and send them walking on the street with a bell screaming "The monsters are coming!!!"

Why talk of solutions until we can agree on what the problems are?

Climatological hypochondria is not a problem, save for the need to send these people in for treatment. It is not a reason to reorder society to cater to the insane whims of it's infectious vectors.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. But of course our resident wingnuts are so much smarter than the scientists. And we know that all them thar librul scientists from every nation on earth are in on a conspiracy to fool their little minds.

And, of course, companies like Swiss Re and Munich Re are in on the conspiracy, also. As is NASA, NOAA, and every similiar agency in all the other countries. The only people that we can trust are me and thee, and we are not so sure of thee. LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL. Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. But of course our resident wingnuts are so much smarter than the scientists. And we know that all them thar librul scientists from every nation on earth are in on a conspiracy to fool their little minds.

And, of course, companies like Swiss Re and Munich Re are in on the conspiracy, also. As is NASA, NOAA, and every similiar agency in all the other countries. The only people that we can trust are me and thee, and we are not so sure of thee. LOL

Warmer is better than colder. And it sure beats spending, I mean wasting, a few trillion to reduce the temperature 0.2 degrees by 2080.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Global warming is a political issue because some scientist’s subscribe to it and some don't. This being the case, the debate is on and that's politics. However, we all are missing the real problem by focusing on this single issue. The truth of the matter is that their are just too many people in the world and whether or not the present rise in world temperatures is attributable to over-population is irrelevant because if it isn't, it soon will be. And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection.

Anyone who doesn’t think we are in deep and serious trouble as a species is……..well let’s just say not playing with a full deck of cards. The problem is that like the good little drones we are brainwashed to be, we focus on one issue and by so doing miss the big picture. The big picture is that us and most other living things in world are in deep doo doo because our New World Order masters could care less about what happens to us because they believe the power and money they have stolen from us will insulate them from the fate the rest of us peasants will share. This is the truth. The people who presently lead us are really that stupid. And what's even worse, these idiots have outsmarted us and even though this is obvious to the villiage idiot, we still vote on election day thinking that doing so will change something.

Pardon me while I go change my shorts. They are soaking wet.

And that's the rub isn't it. You folks allways claim that mankind is in "deep and serious trouble" yet can not point to anything that is truly serious. Instead you have to make crap up. Here's the deal. There are 7 billion of us on this planet. That is successful by any margin. The only thing that can truly wipe us out is an asteroid strike which you folks conveniently ignore because that doesn't allow you to put in place your governmental "solutions".

Oh yeah, I forgot about "planet X."

Maybe Obamafuck can start running around and punching people in the face in a cape.

May as well given how blind progressives are.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Whoa Pilgrim!

How can you say I haven't pointed out anything which is truly serious? In my previous post I said, "And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection." Do you mean to say that you really do not think that ever growning dead zones and fishstock depletion in worlds oceans are not serious issues. If so, then please tell what your definition of a serious issue is and give us one hypothetical exanmple?

While I try not to jump up and down about every little warning sign, there is an obvious and deliberate ignorance of past events that absolutely, positively, demonstrate that man has the capability to do two things:

1) Make an awful, ignorant, big mess.

2) Reign in his irresponsible, fellow humans to stop them from making big messes.

The dust bowl was just ignorance. They didn't know ant better. Now we do. We do things differently in most places where we want to keep our soil. Here in the upstate of SC, a similar result was experienced when cotton farmers left the land barren and all of our soil was washed away, for lack of cover. We can't grow crops here anymore and we likely never will, in any foreseeable future. These occurrences also disprove the notion that the Earth "fixes" or offsets man's actions. No one has yet seen the top soil replaced by the Earth in the dust bowl region or our region. It may happen, but not within centuries of it's original demise. Maybe a big flood will bring some dirt in one day.... I don't know.

The passenger pigeon is another great example. The American skies were once black with hoards of them. Men found that they were a good source to feed the labor and made pretty good stuffing for pillows, so, they would put out fermented grain and when hundreds of them were too intoxicated to fly, they would rush the field and club them by the wagon load. When early "environmental extremist" warned that they may kill off the entire species, they were laughed at and it was explained how arrogant it was of them to think that man had the capacity to wipe them off the Earth... how stupid could these "environmentalist" be?

Of course, the rest of the story is that "deniers" of man's capability to severely impact his environment, killed every last passenger pigeon they could find until..... they were no more. They did this in a remarkably short time. These birds, once the most populous bird species on the planet were extincted by man, the last one dying in 1914 in a zoo.

See... if you don't control these morons who think man doesn't have the capacity to have large scale impact on his environment, they will destroy pieces of it as they can. We have the evidence.

 

[Sweet Willy]

I am a sportsman and a conservationist. I don't get heavily involved with AGW stuff. I don't know what is true or what isn't, what is in the interest of a better world and what is in the interest of money and power. And you can bet when people put the kind of attention and money into something like AGW, con men will come out of the wood work for a piece of it. Our "deniers" do have a portion of truth in their claims. However, these claims about man not having the capacity to do harm, to scale, or that the Earth readily balances what we do.... that is a load, and a big one. I'm not tree hugger or PETA type, my community survives partly on a logging economy and we grow these trees to be harvested. Our woods are bustling everyday with skidders and loaders. But we do it, overwhelmingly, with a great deal of responsibility and care and knowledge that was HARD EARNED FROM MISTAKES. We need this land to grow the next stand of trees and support our turkeys and deer and quail and keep our fish edible. Our rivers are among some of the last in the state without consumption advisories. In fact, the entire nation is rife with consumption advisories because industry has imparted things like mercury into the surface water. You can't safely eat the fish more than once a month from more than 3/4s of the rivers east of the Mississippi. They're full of heavy metals and chemicals.

Here is one of my days limit from the Enoree Waterfowl impoundment.

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I like to hunt. I don't mind killing and eating a few woodies. One of my favorite things to do in fact.

Here is a days take down in Argentina:

This is how a handful of morons wipe out entire species. They pile these doves and ducks up like cord wood, take a photo and toss them in a ditch. The bragging rights when they come home are about how many times they had to change over heated barrels on their shot guns, from shooting so many, so fast. You can't kill birds like that here, on account of that whole episode of killing every last passenger pigeon on Earth. So now, wealthy assholes go where they still allow this sort of shit to occur.

THESE are the "don't give a damn" SOBs that will kill everything, poison you and your water and your food and not lose a minutes sleep. And their enablers are the moron political types who you see here claiming that people can regulate themselves and everything will be fine. What a load of crap. When you regulate them, the go find someone else's resources to rape where they can buy the right to screw over what ever it is they want to screw over JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR A DAYS FUN to kill a thousand birds you have no intention of doing anything with expect to take a picture.

Yeah.... you ask why some see man as bad sometimes? Cause we are sometimes.

 

[westwall]

And that's the rub isn't it. You folks allways claim that mankind is in "deep and serious trouble" yet can not point to anything that is truly serious. Instead you have to make crap up. Here's the deal. There are 7 billion of us on this planet. That is successful by any margin. The only thing that can truly wipe us out is an asteroid strike which you folks conveniently ignore because that doesn't allow you to put in place your governmental "solutions".[/QUOTE]

Whoa Pilgrim!

How can you say I haven't pointed out anything which is truly serious? In my previous post I said, "And the will be's include extinctions of animal and plant species, deforestation of the world's biosphere, fish stock depletion, growing dead zones in the world's oceans, increased cancer gins in the world environment, air pollution, light pollution, and waiting for three light changes to get through an intersection." Do you mean to say that you really do not think that ever growning dead zones and fishstock depletion in worlds oceans are

not serious issues. If so, then please tell what your definition of a serious issue is and give us one hypothetical exanmple?

Secondly, I never said anything about "wiping us out". It should be clear that I am talking about issues with potential to make life on earth a living hell, not wipe us out. You are also wrong when you say that 7 billion people presently living on earth is successful by any margin. Yes, there are presently 7 billion of us living here, but the fact you ignore is that presently we are on borrowed time becasue a population of 7 billion at our present life style is not sustainable as evidenced by all the things that I listed in my previous post which are going wrong. Successful means sustainable and sustainable at 7 billion we are not unless everyone here, excepting the Elites of course, takes a severe hit on lifestyle.

I reread my post and found nothing abouts solutions. Why talk of solutions until we can agree on what the problems are?[/QUOTE]








I suggest you read sxomething other than the doom and gloomers blogs then. According to the best possible estimates this planet can safely sustain a population of around 20 BILLION. If we were able to control the enormous wastage of food (approaching 40%) and actually grow the proper foods for the area instead of planting rice in deserts etc. we coul raise that to around 40 billion.

That won't be neccessary however as the population appears to be leveling off on its own at around 9 billion. No help from us it is doing it naturally. The dead zones in the oceans are caused by local pollution that can be controlled. In fact, there is no problem that can not be controlled by proper envorcement and passing of proper laws to do so.

We have wasted over 100 billion dollars on the fiction of global warming and what has that 100 billion gotten us? Please tell me, because I can't think of a single useful thing to come out of that 100 billion.

On the other hand, had that money been spent on cleaning up the pollution we know is there, the planet would be much better off.